So sorry I have to ask this: what do I do about unconscious sin?

Gottservant · Nov 8, 2019

Hi there,

I have come at this, every way I can think of - and I am just not dealing with it.

When I was a teenager, I was listening to heavy metal music (that I knew my parents (Christians) would not approve of. I feel asleep listening to the music and then all of a sudden woke up and said the words "Satan, take my heart". Now, I was a believer at the time, but I was in a funk about what my faith meant, because my life was turning out so horribly - lots of fighting in my family, losing the family home, and so on.

Later, I came to have faith again, because I started to realise what my calling (in Christ) was, but I still suffer a horrible feeling that I should never have said what I said. I have even confessed it to my pastor and the guilt is still there. The thing is, I just... when I think about how wrong what I said was, I feel like I was innocent and God's or not, Satan should just leave me alone. He doesn't.

I think the thing is - and you will have to correct me if I am out of line here - but I basically have to confess that what I said was a "sin". If I am not doing that, sure, the Devil can creep back in. The problem is that I have no idea what "unconscious sin" is - biblically I guess it means: I need to be punished with stripes, but because of the ignorance, perhaps fewer stripes that if I had know what I was doing.

You see my dilemma?

The more I confess it is sin, the more I am confused by my growingly conscious desire to be changed by God and the more I fear being changed the more I go back to just being unconsciously satisfied, but a child of the Devil. What I want is something better than being guilty and needing to confess, a way of interpreting what I did in sin that is not just going back to God saying "all that stuff you cleansed me of, when I prayed 'forgive me', now forgive me again, because I have become an unconscious slave to it again" - like I really fear, I have wasted God's time, unless I can somehow have beaten the Devil in faith - actually, now that I have said that, I sort of realize that I am burying my talent, when it should be gaining interest (at the proverbial bank).

I don't know, I am throwing myself at your mercy. Do I just start ignoring the Devil? Or should I go over old ground and "just make sure the Devil understands that I am forgiven"?

I don't actually want to sound proud, but on the other hand, I sort of feel sorry for the Heavy Metal musicians, that their music has that effect on people - imagine if they were "saved"??

So yeah, Christian advice is definitely it for the moment - Lord for the sake of your elect, provide an answer, in Your Name Amen!"

A_Thinker · Nov 8, 2019

You can't sin unconsciously. And Satan can't TAKE your heart. You can continuously sell yourself into Satan's service, but you wouldn't be a christian if that were the case. You can only have allegiance to God ... or to Satan. You cannot serve both of them simultaneously.

Our instruction regarding the Devil is to "Resist him, and he will flee from you." Jesus gave the example when the Devil came to Him and tempted Him (3) times. Jesus resisted Satan, by the power of the word of God, ... and the Devil fled from Him ... for a time.

Once you have sincerely asked for forgiveness for sin, you are forgiven. God does not desire that you remain in guilt.

Our struggle with sin (not the Devil) is a lifetime effort. God will lead us into victory, but it is a marathon, not a sprint. Rest in God's forgiveness ... it is a gift to enhance our lives. When you fall into sin, Repent quickly ... and pray that God will lead you out of it.

A final thought. The better you are spiritually nourished, the stronger you will be spiritually. Feast upon God's word. Hide it in your heart for those times when temptation will come. Pray each day that God will be with you, guide your steps, and grant you His wisdom.

I will be praying for you ...

Mountainmanbob · Nov 8, 2019

Pick your Father and stick with Him.

Repent often as Christians do.

Carl Emerson · Nov 8, 2019

Gottservant said:
Hi there,

I have come at this, every way I can think of - and I am just not dealing with it.

When I was a teenager, I was listening to heavy metal music (that I knew my parents (Christians) would not approve of. I feel asleep listening to the music and then all of a sudden woke up and said the words "Satan, take my heart". Now, I was a believer at the time, but I was in a funk about what my faith meant, because my life was turning out so horribly - lots of fighting in my family, losing the family home, and so on.

Later, I came to have faith again, because I started to realise what my calling (in Christ) was, but I still suffer a horrible feeling that I should never have said what I said. I have even confessed it to my pastor and the guilt is still there. The thing is, I just... when I think about how wrong what I said was, I feel like I was innocent and God's or not, Satan should just leave me alone. He doesn't.

I think the thing is - and you will have to correct me if I am out of line here - but I basically have to confess that what I said was a "sin". If I am not doing that, sure, the Devil can creep back in. The problem is that I have no idea what "unconscious sin" is - biblically I guess it means: I need to be punished with stripes, but because of the ignorance, perhaps fewer stripes that if I had know what I was doing.

You see my dilemma?

The more I confess it is sin, the more I am confused by my growingly conscious desire to be changed by God and the more I fear being changed the more I go back to just being unconsciously satisfied, but a child of the Devil. What I want is something better than being guilty and needing to confess, a way of interpreting what I did in sin that is not just going back to God saying "all that stuff you cleansed me of, when I prayed 'forgive me', now forgive me again, because I have become an unconscious slave to it again" - like I really fear, I have wasted God's time, unless I can somehow have beaten the Devil in faith - actually, now that I have said that, I sort of realize that I am burying my talent, when it should be gaining interest (at the proverbial bank).

I don't know, I am throwing myself at your mercy. Do I just start ignoring the Devil? Or should I go over old ground and "just make sure the Devil understands that I am forgiven"?

I don't actually want to sound proud, but on the other hand, I sort of feel sorry for the Heavy Metal musicians, that their music has that effect on people - imagine if they were "saved"??

So yeah, Christian advice is definitely it for the moment - Lord for the sake of your elect, provide an answer, in Your Name Amen!"

If I was your Pastor I would have taken you through a prayer of renounciation and taught you how to hold the ground gained. Renounce in the Greek (2 Cor 4:2 ) means to 'speak against' and is not prayer but a proclaimation of disownership and rebuke in Jesus Name. Maybe you could go back and ask him to do this with you - (if he is understanding of such matters) This step must be preceded by confession and repentance.
This will break any hold and set you free into His peace.

ajcarey · Nov 8, 2019

We are guilty for sin that we did unconsciously which is a result of sin we did do consciously (i.e. Like how listening to the heavy metal music which you knew better not to do resulted in you saying the awful thing you said which you were not in control of saying).

There is a big difference between what is described above versus a growing awareness of sin which is due to being faithful to God and walking in the light that you do have. Such a growing awareness of previously unconscious sin is receiving more light because you were faithful to walk in the light you already had. That is totally unlike the above scenario where you were drawn into deeper darkness beyond your control due to walking in darkness already by your own choice and not heeding the light you already had.

You need to plead guilty before God for what you said and ask Him to forgive you through the blood of Christ for that and for much else. You need to make sure you fully repent of the attitude of rebellion and the rage which drew you into the heavy metal music to begin with- what you said was really an extension of THAT.

1 John 1:5-10: "5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

Tolworth John · Nov 8, 2019

May I suggest two things.
As 1John1:9 says God is faithfull and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrightousness.

If you think you have sinned tell it to God etc.

2nd, Don't get hung up over past sins when tormented by the memory of things you have done and have confessed to.
Thank God for his forgiveness through the sacrifice of Jesus.

Sam91 · Nov 8, 2019

Gottservant said:
Hi there,

I have come at this, every way I can think of - and I am just not dealing with it.

When I was a teenager, I was listening to heavy metal music (that I knew my parents (Christians) would not approve of. I feel asleep listening to the music and then all of a sudden woke up and said the words "Satan, take my heart". Now, I was a believer at the time, but I was in a funk about what my faith meant, because my life was turning out so horribly - lots of fighting in my family, losing the family home, and so on.

Later, I came to have faith again, because I started to realise what my calling (in Christ) was, but I still suffer a horrible feeling that I should never have said what I said. I have even confessed it to my pastor and the guilt is still there. The thing is, I just... when I think about how wrong what I said was, I feel like I was innocent and God's or not, Satan should just leave me alone. He doesn't.

I think the thing is - and you will have to correct me if I am out of line here - but I basically have to confess that what I said was a "sin". If I am not doing that, sure, the Devil can creep back in. The problem is that I have no idea what "unconscious sin" is - biblically I guess it means: I need to be punished with stripes, but because of the ignorance, perhaps fewer stripes that if I had know what I was doing.

You see my dilemma?

The more I confess it is sin, the more I am confused by my growingly conscious desire to be changed by God and the more I fear being changed the more I go back to just being unconsciously satisfied, but a child of the Devil. What I want is something better than being guilty and needing to confess, a way of interpreting what I did in sin that is not just going back to God saying "all that stuff you cleansed me of, when I prayed 'forgive me', now forgive me again, because I have become an unconscious slave to it again" - like I really fear, I have wasted God's time, unless I can somehow have beaten the Devil in faith - actually, now that I have said that, I sort of realize that I am burying my talent, when it should be gaining interest (at the proverbial bank).

I don't know, I am throwing myself at your mercy. Do I just start ignoring the Devil? Or should I go over old ground and "just make sure the Devil understands that I am forgiven"?

I don't actually want to sound proud, but on the other hand, I sort of feel sorry for the Heavy Metal musicians, that their music has that effect on people - imagine if they were "saved"??

So yeah, Christian advice is definitely it for the moment - Lord for the sake of your elect, provide an answer, in Your Name Amen!"

Give up. Surrender. You can't change the past, stop trying. You don't earn forgiveness, God bestows it through what Christ did. God desires to save you, give up and let Him.

You've already repented? Well, humbly pick up your mat and walk. Trust in Him. You can make that decision to not doubt. Trust.. relax, know in faith. His word assures you in Psalms 91 of your safety in Him. Just love God and obey Him. ♡

visionary · Nov 8, 2019

Now that your eyes have been opened, consciously aware, you can not go back to ignorance, unconsciously unaware of the sin. You have made some efforts to deal with this "sin".. But this is one of those biggest foes out there that you have chosen to involve yourself with... This is going to be a mighty spiritual battle that Jesus is already a mighty conquer of. Follow in His footsteps, prayerfully having Him guide you every step of the way, and you too will be victorious through Him. While in this battle you might feel wore out, no light at the end of the tunnel, rejected, alone, and wounded spiritual, mental, and physically, but fear not for His is with you and hang on to the His Hem for dear life and you will eventually be victorious.

2PhiloVoid · Nov 8, 2019

Gottservant said:
Hi there,

I have come at this, every way I can think of - and I am just not dealing with it.

When I was a teenager, I was listening to heavy metal music (that I knew my parents (Christians) would not approve of. I feel asleep listening to the music and then all of a sudden woke up and said the words "Satan, take my heart". Now, I was a believer at the time, but I was in a funk about what my faith meant, because my life was turning out so horribly - lots of fighting in my family, losing the family home, and so on.

Later, I came to have faith again, because I started to realise what my calling (in Christ) was, but I still suffer a horrible feeling that I should never have said what I said. I have even confessed it to my pastor and the guilt is still there. The thing is, I just... when I think about how wrong what I said was, I feel like I was innocent and God's or not, Satan should just leave me alone. He doesn't.

I think the thing is - and you will have to correct me if I am out of line here - but I basically have to confess that what I said was a "sin". If I am not doing that, sure, the Devil can creep back in. The problem is that I have no idea what "unconscious sin" is - biblically I guess it means: I need to be punished with stripes, but because of the ignorance, perhaps fewer stripes that if I had know what I was doing.

You see my dilemma?

The more I confess it is sin, the more I am confused by my growingly conscious desire to be changed by God and the more I fear being changed the more I go back to just being unconsciously satisfied, but a child of the Devil. What I want is something better than being guilty and needing to confess, a way of interpreting what I did in sin that is not just going back to God saying "all that stuff you cleansed me of, when I prayed 'forgive me', now forgive me again, because I have become an unconscious slave to it again" - like I really fear, I have wasted God's time, unless I can somehow have beaten the Devil in faith - actually, now that I have said that, I sort of realize that I am burying my talent, when it should be gaining interest (at the proverbial bank).

I don't know, I am throwing myself at your mercy. Do I just start ignoring the Devil? Or should I go over old ground and "just make sure the Devil understands that I am forgiven"?

I don't actually want to sound proud, but on the other hand, I sort of feel sorry for the Heavy Metal musicians, that their music has that effect on people - imagine if they were "saved"??

So yeah, Christian advice is definitely it for the moment - Lord for the sake of your elect, provide an answer, in Your Name Amen!"

Some Metal musicians ARE saved! :eheh:

... as for unintentional sins, we just ask for forgiveness for those like we do intentional sins, and we ask for the additional wisdom to see it all as He sees it all.

paul1149 · Nov 8, 2019

Gottservant said:
Do I just start ignoring the Devil? Or should I go over old ground and "just make sure the Devil understands that I am forgiven"?

You certainly should ignore the devil's lying accusations. He already knows you're forgiven; he's trying to make you disbelieve it, so you will be rendered miserable and ineffective. He's already defeated and you should not be giving him the time of day.

Do some studies on the father heart of God. This is the missing link for many a Christian stuck in the futile sin/repent/remorse cycle. God knows all about it and loves us anyway, and His love is far better than anything we can comprehend. Who is forgiven much loves much. We love because He first loved us. Take up the Lord's offer of rest. His yoke is easy, His burden light.

Gottservant · Nov 8, 2019

Carl Emerson said:
If I was your Pastor I would have taken you through a prayer of renounciation and taught you how to hold the ground gained. Renounce in the Greek (2 Cor 4:2 ) means to 'speak against' and is not prayer but a proclaimation of disownership and rebuke in Jesus Name. Maybe you could go back and ask him to do this with you - (if he is understanding of such matters) This step must be preceded by confession and repentance.
This will break any hold and set you free into His peace.

Not to give you undue praise, but this answer was definitely what I was looking for.

The Devil needs to know he is in error, before my repentance will work.

It just feels a little weird, rebuking the Devil unconsciously?

Yeah. Actually yeah - that worked: if the Devil is not pursued, he will still feel welcome, when he turns to see you are not growing in faith.

Carl Emerson · Nov 8, 2019

Gottservant said:
Not to give you undue praise, but this answer was definitely what I was looking for.

The Devil needs to know he is in error, before my repentance will work.

It just feels a little weird, rebuking the Devil unconsciously?

Yeah. Actually yeah - that worked: if the Devil is not pursued, he will still feel welcome, when he turns to see you are not growing in faith.

I have found that it may be contested and you may need to repeat over a period of time to hold the ground.

Not sure why you said 'unconsciously' as ths is a verbal declaration.

By the way the sequence we find makes sense is Confession, Repentance, Renounciation, Cleansing, Healing, Infilling.

I recommend you do this in agreement with a mature believer.

Gottservant · Nov 8, 2019

Carl Emerson said:
I have found that it may be contested and you may need to repeat over a period of time to hold the ground.

Not sure why you said 'unconsciously' as ths is a verbal declaration.

By the way the sequence we find makes sense is Confession, Repentance, Renounciation, Cleansing, Healing, Infilling.

I recommend you do this in agreement with a mature believer.

Let me think about what you said. I need to understand it in relation to the Holy Spirit.

The way you describe it, is that "renounciation" is a one off thing - whereas I am faced with having to renounce the Devil daily.

I will definitely talk with my new pastor, about it. He understands putting God first, so he will definitely have insight to share. I feel pretty good right now, knowing that I am making a conscious commitment - the Devil tells you the more unconscious it is the more powerful: but that is a lie.

visionary · Nov 9, 2019

Carl Emerson said:
I have found that it may be contested and you may need to repeat over a period of time to hold the ground.

Not sure why you said 'unconsciously' as ths is a verbal declaration.

By the way the sequence we find makes sense is Confession, Repentance, Renounciation, Cleansing, Healing, Infilling.

I recommend you do this in agreement with a mature believer.

Yep, where two or three are gathered together … Having prayer partners is awesome in unity in Christ. You do not have to go through this alone.

Remember you are a "Temple of the Living God" have Jesus come cleanse your TEMPLE of all wickedness.
2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

longwait · Nov 9, 2019

Gottservant said:
Hi there,

I have come at this, every way I can think of - and I am just not dealing with it.

When I was a teenager, I was listening to heavy metal music (that I knew my parents (Christians) would not approve of. I feel asleep listening to the music and then all of a sudden woke up and said the words "Satan, take my heart". Now, I was a believer at the time, but I was in a funk about what my faith meant, because my life was turning out so horribly - lots of fighting in my family, losing the family home, and so on.

Later, I came to have faith again, because I started to realise what my calling (in Christ) was, but I still suffer a horrible feeling that I should never have said what I said. I have even confessed it to my pastor and the guilt is still there. The thing is, I just... when I think about how wrong what I said was, I feel like I was innocent and God's or not, Satan should just leave me alone. He doesn't.

I think the thing is - and you will have to correct me if I am out of line here - but I basically have to confess that what I said was a "sin". If I am not doing that, sure, the Devil can creep back in. The problem is that I have no idea what "unconscious sin" is - biblically I guess it means: I need to be punished with stripes, but because of the ignorance, perhaps fewer stripes that if I had know what I was doing.

You see my dilemma?

The more I confess it is sin, the more I am confused by my growingly conscious desire to be changed by God and the more I fear being changed the more I go back to just being unconsciously satisfied, but a child of the Devil. What I want is something better than being guilty and needing to confess, a way of interpreting what I did in sin that is not just going back to God saying "all that stuff you cleansed me of, when I prayed 'forgive me', now forgive me again, because I have become an unconscious slave to it again" - like I really fear, I have wasted God's time, unless I can somehow have beaten the Devil in faith - actually, now that I have said that, I sort of realize that I am burying my talent, when it should be gaining interest (at the proverbial bank).

I don't know, I am throwing myself at your mercy. Do I just start ignoring the Devil? Or should I go over old ground and "just make sure the Devil understands that I am forgiven"?

I don't actually want to sound proud, but on the other hand, I sort of feel sorry for the Heavy Metal musicians, that their music has that effect on people - imagine if they were "saved"??

So yeah, Christian advice is definitely it for the moment - Lord for the sake of your elect, provide an answer, in Your Name Amen!"

Doesn't the devil always plant wicked, evil thoughts in our minds? You didn't give your heart to the devil, did you? If you didn't and you truly repented of it then don't worry. God will forgive you. There are many ex-satanists and witches who have come to the Lord and the Lord received them with open arms. Just repent and move on.

Gottservant · Nov 13, 2019

Yeah, yeah!

I think to the Devil the tares are his treasure and the theft is his murder. Like my not being able to sleep he is happy with and my holier than thou response he just ignores.

Then when I think "blame the music", I lose ground to the Devil again: he says "ha ha, you think music can steal your waking thoughts, you are weak".

I feel like Neo (from the Matrix) when he is first unplugged, saying "no! no! I can't believe this: this isn't real!"

Part of the problem is that I am not trusting Jesus to be there for me: when I think would Jesus let the Devil steal my heart? The answer is "NO".

So sorry I have to ask this: what do I do about unconscious sin?

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