Ignorance may not truly be bliss but..

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(Psalms 23:1)
So, a warning, yes, this will probably be controversial.
Disclaimer: I'm not buddhist, and I know very little about Buddhism but what I do know is that central philosophies to it are that human suffering is caused by desire (which yes is wrong, it's caused by sin), and that the goal is to seek an enlightened state called Nirvana where you have an absence of desire and are content.
Now obviously it leaves God out, it leaves Christ out, but interesting food for thought, is that perhaps the state of bliss in His presence will be a removal of all desires? Because there are many verses in scripture that tell us in essence, don't desire things aside from God, be content (Philippians 4:11).
(Psalms 37:4) is a promise that our desires will be fulfilled. Yet we know there are things that will not be in the new creation. Marriage, and by extent, sex and children (Matthew 22:30), and there will be no death (Revelation 21:4), by extention of that, there will be no food outside of say, milk, honey, things that do not require anything dying to eat. But we (most of us anyway, there are voluntarily celibate people) have these desires hardwired into us, to eat (which in most cases, we have to kill something to eat), to get married and have a family (sexual desires involved there). So, if those things are not in the next Kingdom, the desires are not directly fulfilled. If all desires of the heart are fulfilled and those things that we might desire in this life are absent, the logical conclusion is that those desires are removed.
Do we just forget them? Would we be just completely ignorant about the concepts of sex and eating because we'd have no biological need for them and they would be things absent from our eternal life?
 

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The desires of a changed person.

1 John 2:15-17
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. 16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. 17 The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.
 
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The desires of a changed person.

1 John 2:15-17
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. 16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. 17 The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.
and yet Christians still desire those things I mentioned.
 
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Well, the starting premise is wrong, because not all desires are sinful.
Wanting marriage, sex and children is normal and healthy and God gave them to us. He said man should not live alone and created women and told them to go and be fruitful.
Having no desires is not bliss, again this is a slight stab from the enemy trying to distort what God has revealed to us.
The desires in the next kingdom will be different. I'm sure we won't fully understand until we are there. :)
 
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There are many truths which are not known, and which will only be revealed when we are in the presence of God.

We are made in God's image which means that He placed certain desires in us by design.
Sin corrupted our nature which resulted in death and all manner of evil.

What we do know, is that there will be a new heaven and a new earth and that the redeemed of the Lord will spend eternity with Him.

This new earth will finally be free of sin and all its influences on our lives. Whatever desires we do have will be as God intended.
 
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Well, the starting premise is wrong, because not all desires are sinful.
Wanting marriage, sex and children is normal and healthy and God gave them to us. He said man should not live alone and created women and told them to go and be fruitful.
Having no desires is not bliss, again this is a slight stab from the enemy trying to distort what God has revealed to us.
The desires in the next kingdom will be different. I'm sure we won't fully understand until we are there. :)
They're not sinful but the things that sate them won't be in the next life. So they would be desires that you won't have, but would you remember having them?

Say right now, you might desire to grill up a steak (you are in Australia so it's getting to that season right?). It's not sinful to desire to eat food, God made us to require it. It's not unholy to eat a steak, but to eat a steak, we have to kill a cow, or someone has to kill a cow for us. But ultimately, a cow has to die.
In the new creation, there is no death, we don't know if there will be cows at all, but if there were, they would not die. There would be no grilling of steaks. Since you will not die, even of starvation, you'd have no need to eat, but would you still desire the taste and texture of a steak? Or since there would be no death, no killing cows, and no steaks, would that desire just go away completely. Because if you still desire it, and it's just not something that's gonna happen, that'd be an unfulfilled desire, which won't happen either. So you won't desire that steak because that steak won't exist. But would you still remember having steaks and how they taste?

That's kind of the crux of what I'm wondering. If you remember them, you might desire them again, if you forget they ever existed, well then you'd be content and not desire it because you don't know about it.
 
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“You shall never seek their peace or their prosperity all your days..." Deut 23:6

"Never seek their peace or prosperity, so that you may be strong and may eat the good things of the land, leaving it as an inheritance to your sons forever.’ EZ 9:12

Two references to not seeking Pagan peace.

Paul also clearly states Pagan religions are demonic.

Bliss is not the peace that passes all understanding.

Nirvana is not Heavenly or of the Kingdom of God.

The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands.
They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk. Rev 9:20
 
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“You shall never seek their peace or their prosperity all your days..." Deut 23:6

"Never seek their peace or prosperity, so that you may be strong and may eat the good things of the land, leaving it as an inheritance to your sons forever.’ EZ 9:12

Two references to not seeking Pagan peace.

Paul also clearly states Pagan religions are demonic.

Bliss is not the peace that passes all understanding.

Nirvana is not Heavenly or of the Kingdom of God.

The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands.
They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk. Rev 9:20
You missed the point which was the concept of contentment being an absence of desire. That was the only thing I was really getting at with that idea from Buddhism. Scripture never comes out and says that peace in the Lord will be an absence of other desires. But it does allude that we shouldn't have other desires aside from God, and we should be content (ie not desiring things we don't have). More overtly scripture says our desires will be fulfilled. But, things we desire on earth will be absent. It's a catch 22 of having a desire that will not be fulfilled directly, so to make it not unfulfilled, the desire has to be removed.
 
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Not after you've been changed by the Spirit.

There are lots of false teachers that teaches a false gospel that don't change anyone.
Then nobody who is married and having children has been visited by the Holy Ghost, which I'd strongly disagree with that logic.
 
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You missed the point which was the concept of contentment being an absence of desire. That was the only thing I was really getting at with that idea from Buddhism. Scripture never comes out and says that peace in the Lord will be an absence of other desires. But it does allude that we shouldn't have other desires aside from God, and we should be content (ie not desiring things we don't have). More overtly scripture says our desires will be fulfilled. But, things we desire on earth will be absent. It's a catch 22 of having a desire that will not be fulfilled directly, so to make it not unfulfilled, the desire has to be removed.
The end game in seeking Nirvana is extinction of self.
That is opposite to the way of Jesus who births good desires in us.
Buddha tried to tackle suffering by denial.
Jesus invites us to share in His sufferings and so bless others.
You have nothing to learn from Buddhism.
Focus on Jesus and His word.
 
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The end game in seeking Nirvana is extinction of self.
That is opposite to the way of Jesus who births good desires in us.
Buddha tried to tackle suffering by denial.
Jesus invites us to share in His sufferings and so bless others.
You have nothing to learn from Buddhism.
Focus on Jesus and His word.
again you're completely missing the point. You're so laser focused on the word "Buddhism" that you're missing the entire thing, Things that are alluded to in scripture but not outright laid out to us that "You will not desire marriage, or sex, or food, or children, you will only desire the Lord's presence". The details and flow of logic are there, but scripture never outright says desires will be removed or forgotten.

But say you are resurrected, and you suddenly remember how good a nice juicy steak tastes and feels in your mouth, and now you want one. But they won't be there to sate that desire, not directly. Then what?
 
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I believe that He has that all worked out and I doubt if you will even think of the question when you are there. The new creation will be so captivating that the old will have passed far away. The intellectual exercises will pale into insignificance in His presence, and the mind is the wrong tool to approach understanding of these things. Meantime, by all means hand the question upstairs, who knows, your question may be answered and you could receive revelation and share your insight with us all...
 
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again you're completely missing the point. You're so laser focused on the word "Buddhism" that you're missing the entire thing, Things that are alluded to in scripture but not outright laid out to us that "You will not desire marriage, or sex, or food, or children, you will only desire the Lord's presence". The details and flow of logic are there, but scripture never outright says desires will be removed or forgotten.

But say you are resurrected, and you suddenly remember how good a nice juicy steak tastes and feels in your mouth, and now you want one. But they won't be there to sate that desire, not directly. Then what?
When you are resurrected I doubt very much that you would even think of steak! :)

I expect that when I get there I'll be struck with awe at His magnitude and holiness for a very long time... possibly a millennia. Imagine His power and glory infiltrating a vast area. Just wow! I don't think that after coming face to face with the Lord God Almighty we could ever want for more. His peace that surpasses all understanding will be inescapable, of course at peace ourselves we wouldn't want to be apart.

As for life in this world, if you recognise just how blessed we truly are you would not suffer the same longing for other things. I know how full my heart is just reading Psalm 118.

When you start feeling discontent run to His shelter. (That for me automatically fills me with peace because of the time sat there reading His word.) Pick up your Bible and just meander through it with Him. Quality time like that really helps.

Fill your extra time with company. Maybe find a Christian organisation to serve with. You will build more connections and will maybe find a potential spouse along the way. Hope this helps.
 
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When you are resurrected I doubt very much that you would even think of steak! :)

I expect that when I get there I'll be struck with awe at His magnitude and holiness for a very long time... possibly a millennia. Imagine His power and glory infiltrating a vast area. Just wow! I don't think that after coming face to face with the Lord God Almighty we could ever want for more. His peace that surpasses all understanding will be inescapable, of course at peace ourselves we wouldn't want to be apart.

As for life in this world, if you recognise just how blessed we truly are you would not suffer the same longing for other things. I know how full my heart is just reading Psalm 118.

When you start feeling discontent run to His shelter. (That for me automatically fills me with peace because of the time sat there reading His word.) Pick up your Bible and just meander through it with Him. Quality time like that really helps.

Fill your extra time with company. Maybe find a Christian organisation to serve with. You will build more connections and will maybe find a potential spouse along the way. Hope this helps.

So your answer to the question "would you forget or be unaware of things you desired on earth" is basically "yes".
 
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So your answer to the question "would you forget or be unaware of things you desired on earth" is basically "yes".
I don't know why you presume I mean that. I just think I won't care anymore not that I'd forget. My eyes will be opened. I'd understand and would be free of this limiting flesh.
 
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I don't know why you presume I mean that. I just think I won't care anymore not that I'd forget. My eyes will be opened. I'd understand and would be free of this limiting flesh.
"You wouldn't even think of.." is basically the same thing as forgetting. If it never pops into your mind, you've forgotten it.
 
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"You wouldn't even think of.." is basically the same thing as forgetting. If it never pops into your mind, you've forgotten it.
Not true at all. There are plenty of things I do not think of that I can freely recall. Just last week I explained contours on a map to my daughter. I have not thought of those in decades. My daughter said she had struggled with maps in Geography. I asked what and she couldn't remember. I guessed 'scale' then 'key's then 'contour'. It was contour and that guess was correct. After never thinking of it for 25 years, I was able to teach her it.

I just don't care about contours, had no need to recall, chose to recall when presented with a need. Never forgot. I don't think you would even think of steak because you won't have a need of steak, nor want it. You would be free from it.
 
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Not true at all. There are plenty of things I do not think of that I can freely recall. Just last week I explained contours on a map to my daughter. I have not thought of those in decades. My daughter said she had struggled with maps in Geography. I asked what and she couldn't remember. I guessed 'scale' then 'key's then 'contour'. It was contour and that guess was correct. After never thinking of it for 25 years, I was able to teach her it.

I just don't care about contours, had no need to recall, chose to recall when presented with a need. Never forgot. I don't think you would even think of steak because you won't have a need of steak, nor want it. You would be free from it.
You forgot, had a situation came up that made you think about it, so you remembered. If you'd never had that situation and never had a reason to think about it, it would have stayed forgotten.
 
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