Treating illnesses in animals

paul1149 · Oct 24, 2019

ilovejcsog said:
So you've settled on Truffey? I like it, that's a good name for a cat. Why do think Truffey needs to go outside?

That's been his name for forever. I actually don't use it much. I usually call him Puppy, but I have a repertoire of names I use.

I wanted him to go outside because I think that's an important part of their character. The sights, the smells, the sounds, the fresh air, the sun and clouds, the wind, the leaves on the ground, etc. And as I've walked him over the past few months I've seen him come alive to it all, including chasing after frogs and chipmunks. Sometimes we would finish a walk and fifteen minutes later he would be moaning to go back outside. I've really enjoyed giving him this new experience, and I've watched it help him overcome many of his fears. He's not as timid with strangers in the house anymore, for instance. And he'll willingly get into my car.

But now I'm having some second thoughts, because of the tick factor. His coat is so thick it is very hard to detect and remove ticks.

He's doing pretty well these days, thanks. He's shown little sign of the Lyme arthritis he had. Still a bit lethargic, and his appetite isn't 100% yet, and he's sleeping a lot, but the trend is good.

What is ailing Buddy, and what meds are you considering?

ilovejcsog · Oct 24, 2019

The ticks would have kept me from letting them out. We don't have the ones that carry lyme here. It is deadly to cats and dogs? Is that what he is suffering from?
The little girl that died I felt had feline herpes. Buddy got some of her symptoms but not all of them. She had an upper respiratory infection which was the lungs nose and eyes. Buddy sneezes a lot but so I have been also. When he first got it he got it in his left eye and it cleared and moved to his right but it is not going away in his right and it is always running. I was worried today because it saps them of all energy and he came in and crashed for a few hours. He is the most unusual cat I have had as he is constantly on the run he very seldom stops. Outside he flys around and gets the other cats going. I have never seen so much energy so when he came in and went to sleep it scared me as thats what they both did when they were very ill. But when he woke up he was flying around anew sneezing with the runny eye. That made me feel a little comfortable but I don't understand why it is not healing his eye as it did the other. I thought if he starts declining I might have to put him back on mox and how much is too much? It will be something I know I will have to do it he gets worse. He's had nine days of it. But at half of what one instructor said. Its all experimental isn't it.
I call my pets all kinds of names also until finally one settles, lol. So far buddy isn't taking to it.
I am so glad puppy continues to get better. They have a paste that works quite well to increase their appetite if that might help him. I got some but neither of the babies took to it. You can order it on line. I think it was 7 or 8 dollars. It is a nutrient provider for them and you put it on top of their paw. Mine just walk around with it til it falls off where it shouldn't lol. The only problem I found with it is the tube. You can't control the output and you get too much. It is rigid plastic and not pliable so the plunger is not easily controlled. They used to supply it in like a toothpaste tube and it was easy just to get a little out at a time.
The other symptom he still has is really bad breath. She also had it when she was ill. That sounds like tummy, huh? Its interesting about the names, my Julius was called so many names and he always excepted them and new it was his. Seems he was the only one, a special talent I think. He also talked which I have only found in two cats although Buddy might be a talker as when he sees me he cries which may lead to talking because i have never had one that cries at me like that. Did I tell you that feral babies don't have voices? If they do it is a squeek, how do you spell squeak, lol.
Buddy is a feral cats baby and he has this little teeny teeny mew. One I tamed a little bit and then she went wild has a squeak. It is funny to hear. They have an explanation for no voice.
Nice talking with you again

paul1149 · Oct 25, 2019

I wish I knew more about that. Herpes is a virus. Were the nutrients you gave the cat geared toward the immune function? There are anti-viral herbs that might help, as well as general immune boosters that help the body fight the disease. As I said earlier, I went with a commercial immune booster that has a bunch of herbs in it, mainly because I wasn't sure if the herbs I use would be good for cats (I think they would, but it's always wise to start low and go slow, one at a time). He doesn't care for the taste, so I grind up the pill with a knife and mix it in his food. There are herbs for everything; the trick is to find the right one for what needs to be done. But then there are a lot of herbs which will help a lot in a less targeted way.

Yes, I think the breath indicates a digestion problem.

With the Moxy I'm using a 20mg dose, BID (twice a day). It's not exact, as I'm working off a 500mg capsule. The cat seems to be increasingly zoned out. I suspect the aromatic oil flea collar, which even after a week is hard for me to take. So this morning I took it off for a few days to see if he rallies. If it does prove to be the collar, I will have to go with a flea/tick shampoo, which ought to be an interesting experience.

Yes, I make up names on the fly for the cat. It's part of my weirdness, but they're all terms of endearment. I like the cat because he puts up with it.

One of the names I use is in fact Squeaky, because a lot of times when he meows for something it is very faint.

Heavenhome · Oct 28, 2019

paul1149 said:
I wish I knew more about that. Herpes is a virus. Were the nutrients you gave the cat geared toward the immune function? There are anti-viral herbs that might help, as well as general immune boosters that help the body fight the disease. As I said earlier, I went with a commercial immune booster that has a bunch of herbs in it, mainly because I wasn't sure if the herbs I use would be good for cats (I think they would, but it's always wise to start low and go slow, one at a time). He doesn't care for the taste, so I grind up the pill with a knife and mix it in his food. There are herbs for everything; the trick is to find the right one for what needs to be done. But then there are a lot of herbs which will help a lot in a less targeted way.

Yes, I think the breath indicates a digestion problem.

With the Moxy I'm using a 20mg dose, BID (twice a day). It's not exact, as I'm working off a 500mg capsule. The cat seems to be increasingly zoned out. I suspect the aromatic oil flea collar, which even after a week is hard for me to take. So this morning I took it off for a few days to see if he rallies. If it does prove to be the collar, I will have to go with a flea/tick shampoo, which ought to be an interesting experience.

Yes, I make up names on the fly for the cat. It's part of my weirdness, but they're all terms of endearment. I like the cat because he puts up with it. One of the names I use is in fact Squeaky, because a lot of times when he meows for something it is very faint.

How are things going now with Puppy/Squeaky/...../?
I was interested when you said his meow is faint because my cat Tay (11 months) hardly ever meows and if he ever does its the tiniest squeak. I have never heard anything like it!
My previous cat Timmy had a very soft faint meow but this really is a squeak, its so funny.
There's nothing wrong with him and he is the most dog like, social cat I've ever had.

I hope your boy is doing well, he is a lovely cat.

paul1149 · Oct 29, 2019

Heavenhome said:
How are things going now with Puppy/Squeaky/...../?
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Hi HH. Thanks for asking. I think the squeaky meow can come from a few sources. Fear, respect, illness, temperament. As Truffey got more comfortable with me his squeakiness become less, but he still doesn't use the whining meow he used to use with his owner, which I let him know in no uncertain terms that I found annoying.

A few days ago I realized the amoxicillin was not doing the job. So I went to Doxy again. Some reading made me realize that his not eating was due to the things I was adding to the food. The "tasty" cat immune pill I was grinding into it was enough that he would rather starve than eat nice wet food. Ditto human probiotic powder, and ditto moxy.

So I have had to go to forced administration. This is very tough because he hates it, and it is destroying the nice rapoire(sp) we had. It goes against my grain, because I basically respect free will, but if I don't do it the animal will die a dreadful death. I've got a month of this ahead of me, and I don't know how it's going to be possible.

He seems to be showing improvement now that he's eating. I'm hopeful the doxy will work, and that I can find a way to administer the drug and still keep his trust.

BW

Heavenhome · Oct 29, 2019

I don't know if this will help but once when I got worming tablets there was a syringe type thing with it that actually held the tablet and when you pressed the plunger it shot the tablet down the throat. I have kept it because it comes in handy as it makes it so easy to administer a pill which is often a struggle to do on your own plus its so quick they don't seem to know what's gone on. ( and don't hold it against you)
Maybe you could find something like that. It is one of the best things ever.
I hope you can find something similar.
I hope this is of some help and that Truffey is well soon.

Heavenhome · Oct 29, 2019

Hi again I just "googled" and saw you can get these and they are under $10.
If you look up" Pet pill gun" or similar you will see them.
It will make it so much easier for you and Truffey.
Hope this helps
God bless you both

Heavenhome · Oct 29, 2019

Here again, there are also ones that you can use with water, you will find all different ones under Cat pill popper.
I hope it helps you too ilovejcsog.

Heavenhome · Oct 29, 2019

Passing on info from a friend that may be of interest regarding Lyme disease.

"Lyme Disease : A Potential, But Unlikely, Problem for Cats"

"The Signs, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Lyme Disease in Cats"

paul1149 · Oct 30, 2019

Heavenhome said:
I don't know if this will help but once when I got worming tablets there was a syringe type thing with it that actually held the tablet and when you pressed the plunger it shot the tablet down the throat. I have kept it because it comes in handy as it makes it so easy to administer a pill which is often a struggle to do on your own plus its so quick they don't seem to know what's gone on. ( and don't hold it against you)
Maybe you could find something like that. It is one of the best things ever.
I hope you can find something similar.
I hope this is of some help and that Truffey is well soon.

Yes, I ordered one yesterday morning. He's to the point of avoiding eating unless I place the food directly in front of him, and then hiding after he eats, because he knows what's coming. Pretty smart, actually. I was able to get some of the doxy down him this morning by grinding it into yogurt (which also serves to give him probiotics with the doxy). Maybe peanut butter would work, have to look it up. This is quite a challenge. I imagine it's somewhat like what Father has to deal with with us sometimes!

BW.

paul1149 · Oct 30, 2019

Thank God. I think I have the answer. The owner's daughter came by today, and she used to be a vet's assistant. She showed me the key was to hold the cat's head way back, so the pill would drop all the way back to the throat. The cat has little choice but to swallow it quickly, and it's over before it all becomes a negative experience. At least it worked this time beautifully. If this continues, I doubt I'll even need the pill shooter!

Heavenhome · Oct 31, 2019

That's great!
I hope Truffey is well soon.

paul1149 · Nov 7, 2019

Heavenhome said:
That's great!
I hope Truffey is well soon.

Thanks Heaven. Figured I'd update my friends here. Truffey seems to be doing pretty well. The pill routine has gotten a lot smoother, as I learn to do it better and to pet him and reward him afterward, and as he learns the pill is not the end of the world and to trust me on it counterintuitively. The most touching moment was when we had had a not very pleasant pilling, but a little while after he came to me to be petted. He was affirming relationship despite the difficulties. His trust in me, even when he couldn't understand why I was doing what I was doing, really affected me. I couldn't help but think that this is how the Father feels when we trust Him even when we don't know what's going on and it hurts. There's no higher form of worship.

Tonight after eating he started racing around a playing like a catnip-crazed kitten. His eyes are getting clearer too, and we've been taking short walks again. So I think the medicine is working. I'm looking forward to introducing him to playing in the snow, which I think is coming pretty soon.

Heavenhome · Nov 8, 2019

Paul that's great! The love of an animal is special and it also reminds me of our relationship with God.
Don't you feel so touched when an animal trusts you so implicitly ?
I think the beautiful devotion and pure love and trust we get from our precious animals is the kind of relationship we should have with God.
He knows what is best for us and will never lead us astray if only we would yield all of our lives to Him.

You and Truffey sound like you have that lovely relationship and I'm happy that he is so much better. Running around like a crazy kitten certainly sounds like he is feeling really well

It sounds like it will be fun when he's introduced to the snow. That would make a great photo! (hint, hint!)
Anyways great to hear all is going well.
God bless you and dear Truffey.

miggles · Jan 25, 2020

ilovejcsog said:
I feed at any given time up to 25 stray cats. Most now live here with me but they are outside. My feed bill runs usually a hundred a month. It started in 2016 when there were a pair of sweet little cats that were bones and fur. I tried to feed them to save them but they were so feral that the other cats would beat them to it. Sadly they died. I still cry at the thought of them. I vowed to always put more than enough out so that wouldn't happen again.
I can only afford to feed them and house them but can't afford vet bills.
I came upon a medicine that works for them in some cases. It is called fish mox. It is now becoming wildly known for its powers on other than fish. Unfortunately the cost has jumped extremely because a prescription is not needed and word of mouth. I lost a whole generation of kittens from upper respiratory infection and probably related to feline herpes. This is insidious as the mucous from the eyes and nose covers their face eventually their mouth and nose and smothering them. I am treating a baby right now that seems to be recovered from it and another baby has just died from it. Getting the right amount is the biggest problem as if you google it the directions are different depending on what you read. Currently I am giving the dosage for ten days. The previous baby died because as directed by another site I gave the meds for only 5 days. It comes in 250 mgs and 500 mgs capsules. Seems depending on weight the dosage is prescribed. I have taken this also but not deluded in water as with the animals.
Fish mox is amoxicillin for animals and it does have disclaimers but I feel it is only for their protection that they disclaim it for humans. I have used it off and on for years. This is simply my experience with it and to maybe help those that can't afford better. Believe me there is so much suffering with the cats I have and it is heartbreaking that I can only do what I do. I hope this helps others. If you need help with dosage please feel free to ask me anything. You can also google it for more info.
BLESSINGS

where do you get fish mox? does fish oil do the same thing?

ilovejcsog · Jan 25, 2020

miggles said:
where do you get fish mox? does fish oil do the same thing?

Fish mox is amoxicillin an antibiotic. You can google it and find sources for buying. Walmart, chewy, many places have it, shop around. Fish oil is not an antibiotic.

ilovejcsog · Mar 18, 2020

Just a note that I think is funny. When I open a can of cream soup Buddy comes running. She loves it and knows whats coming by the sound. tee hee

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