The forbidden fruit was a psychedelic?

OffGrid · Nov 7, 2019

May God bless you all according to His will. God is my judge.

AlexDTX · Nov 7, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
EVEN AFTER eating from the tree of life, if /when permitted , It would have still been disobedient to eat from the tree of knowledge.

It would only be disobedient if God had continued to forbid them from eating from the tree. However, God can change his decree. Israel was forbidden to eat unclean animals, yet in Christ, Paul tells Israel that all food is now acceptable if it is sanctified by prayer.

The decree had not been lifted because Paradise that was is still closed. While Scriptures do not speak of a tree of knowledge in the New Heaven and New Earth (probably because there is no longer the need since we lived in the sinful world), if it were there, God could permit it again.

It is no longer disobedience when permitted. For example, in some states, smoking marijuana is now legal, and is no longer disobedient in those states.

With God obedience and disobedience depends on what God says. And as you said in the Rape thread, he can do what ever he wants.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 7, 2019

ooops... can't continue now. (gotta leave internet) ....
might continue later.....
misunderstanding the NT is so common, I'm not sure anyone here can correct everyone's posts....

eleos1954 · Nov 7, 2019

OffGrid said:
Why do so many never make the connection between the forbidden fruit and psychedelics?
I mean here are some reasonings, and relatabilities:
-Parents tell their children don't do drugs usually without giving them a seemingly valid reason not to
-when Adam ate the fruit his eyes were opened. (Whether literally metaphorically or dilated (not that there is much of a difference) it's still pretty evident)
-the fruit created a paranoia effect
-before hand they knew not the difference between good and evil, yet all of a sudden it seems to have flashed before their eyes
-it angered the Father that they disobeyed and they were cast out of the garden
-the serpent tempted eve much like a drug dealer might tempt someone to take acid or mushrooms claiming it's the best thing ever
-it seemed to cause them to feel naked when before they never seemed noticed, just as drugs might cause someone to toil in what seems like vanity to an outside source
-Adam and eve seemed lost
-psycadelics seem to be forbidden... atleast to most people

So is there any reason to believe the forbidden fruit was not a psycadelics drug, and preachers just don't put emphasis on it as such as to keep it in ancient context that they don't anger the world? (Though being a friend to the world they are depriving others of the truth, and thus leaving children vulnerable to experiment with many forbidden fruits because this story/parable is not taught correctly makes the story teller an enemy to God?)

It wasn't the fruit that was the problem ... the problem was they disobeyed God & did not believe what God said ... He told them not to eat it. Did not believe what God said ... if you eat it you will surely die ... rather they believed satan who said you will NOT surely die.

Semper-Fi · Nov 7, 2019

OffGrid said:
Well I'd like to say it is a great possibility the Israelites coming out of Egypt for 40 years were eating mushrooms as manna, thus God continued 'testing them'.

The forbidden fruit was psychedelics
And [Manna] was psychedelic mushrooms?

First you say the bad fruit is psychedelic,
Then say God gave them magic mushooms.

How did God test them or why?,
to see if they would eat and get
stoned, Or starve to death ?

'He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'

-Mushrooms do not fall from Heaven.
Numbers 11:7 7 The manna was like
coriander seed and looked like resin.

"feeding you with manna, which neither
you nor your ancestors had known."

-This had not happened before. Israel
walked forty years in the wilderness.

This was there food, can you live off
of Mushrooms for 40 years?

Joshua 5:12 12 The manna stopped.

God stoped sending manna,
but mushrooms are still here.

manna in bible - Bing

I mean geographically it makes sense..

Mushrooms grow most places,
they are a fungus. I'd like to say
it is [not] a great possibility.

As a Christian, we are to be sober,
taking psychedelics would be a direct
violation of that command.

God did not give psychedelic
mushrooms for food to eat.

Vicky gould · Nov 7, 2019

Hi, what the forbidden fruit was the Law. There is nothing that can define sin and good but the Law. They did not become drug paranoid they got condemned as sinners, sentenced to death held in a spiritual cell while they waited for the sentence to be carried out. When the Lord came they said they were “naked” and the Lord asked how they knew had they eaten from the tree because it was the only thing that could convey this information to them.

OffGrid · Nov 7, 2019

Semper-Fi said:
The forbidden fruit was psychedelics
And [Manna] was psychedelic mushrooms?

First you say the bad fruit is psychedelic,
Then say God gave them magic mushooms.

How did God test them or why?,
to see if they would eat and get
stoned, Or starve to death ?

'He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'

-Mushrooms do not fall from Heaven.
Numbers 11:7 7 The manna was like
coriander seed and looked like resin.

"feeding you with manna, which neither
you nor your ancestors had known."

-This had not happened before. Israel
walked forty years in the wilderness.

This was there food, can you live off
of Mushrooms for 40 years?

Joshua 5:12 12 The manna stopped.

God stoped sending manna,
but mushrooms are still here.

manna in bible - Bing

Mushrooms grow most places,
they are a fungus. I'd like to say
it is [not] a great possibility.

As a Christian, we are to be sober,
taking psychedelics would be a direct
violation of that command.

God did not give psychedelic
mushrooms for food to eat.

Mushroom spores actually travel by air. In theory God can direct them to go wherever He wishes.
Also I'd like to say that I did not say these things occurred and simply that they are speculation like theories, and educated guesses.

Strong in Him · Nov 8, 2019

OffGrid said:
Mushroom spores actually travel by air. In theory God can direct them to go wherever He wishes.

The Lord said he would send them bread from heaven, Exodus 16:4.
The next morning there was dew in the camp, and when the dew went, they were left with thin flakes, like frost, Exodus 16:13-14. When the Israelites saw it, they didn't know what it was; hence the name "manna". Some of the Israelites tried to save the manna until the next day, but it went off and was full of maggots, Exodus 16:20.

In John 6, Jesus said that he is the bread of life, the bread that came from heaven; just as Moses gave them manna in the wilderness, John 6:32-35.

None of that sounds remotely like mushrooms.

fwGod · Nov 8, 2019

The fruit on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was either good or evil. Depending on the reason why it was picked for eating.

Obviously it brought out a tendency of rebellion and disobedience.

On the other hand, it states in some places of the Bible that a person is grown when they know the difference between good and evil.

So, it's not really about what kind of fruit that it was. It's about what kind of person are you.

SkyWriting · Nov 8, 2019

OffGrid said:
Why do so many never make the connection between the forbidden fruit and psychedelics?
I mean here are some reasonings, and relatabilities:
-Parents tell their children don't do drugs usually without giving them a seemingly valid reason not to
-when Adam ate the fruit his eyes were opened. (Whether literally metaphorically or dilated (not that there is much of a difference) it's still pretty evident)
-the fruit created a paranoia effect
-before hand they knew not the difference between good and evil, yet all of a sudden it seems to have flashed before their eyes
-it angered the Father that they disobeyed and they were cast out of the garden
-the serpent tempted eve much like a drug dealer might tempt someone to take acid or mushrooms claiming it's the best thing ever
-it seemed to cause them to feel naked when before they never seemed noticed, just as drugs might cause someone to toil in what seems like vanity to an outside source
-Adam and eve seemed lost
-psycadelics seem to be forbidden... atleast to most people

So is there any reason to believe the forbidden fruit was not a psycadelics drug, and preachers just don't put emphasis on it as such as to keep it in ancient context that they don't anger the world? (Though being a friend to the world they are depriving others of the truth, and thus leaving children vulnerable to experiment with many forbidden fruits because this story/parable is not taught correctly makes the story teller an enemy to God?)

They might have similar effects, sure.

SkyWriting · Nov 8, 2019

Strong in Him said:
The Lord said he would send them bread from heaven, Exodus 16:4.
The next morning there was dew in the camp, and when the dew went, they were left with thin flakes, like frost, Exodus 16:13-14. When the Israelites saw it, they didn't know what it was; hence the name "manna". Some of the Israelites tried to save the manna until the next day, but it went off and was full of maggots, Exodus 16:20.

In John 6, Jesus said that he is the bread of life, the bread that came from heaven; just as Moses gave them manna in the wilderness, John 6:32-35.

None of that sounds remotely like mushrooms.

Mushrooms have more maggots than any other food source.
They can be paper thin and leafy.

OffGrid · Nov 8, 2019

Strong in Him said:
The Lord said he would send them bread from heaven, Exodus 16:4.
The next morning there was dew in the camp, and when the dew went, they were left with thin flakes, like frost, Exodus 16:13-14. When the Israelites saw it, they didn't know what it was; hence the name "manna". Some of the Israelites tried to save the manna until the next day, but it went off and was full of maggots, Exodus 16:20.

In John 6, Jesus said that he is the bread of life, the bread that came from heaven; just as Moses gave them manna in the wilderness, John 6:32-35.

None of that sounds remotely like mushrooms.

Spores travel by air like I stated earlier and God can direct the spores wherever He wants. I can compare a wafer to a mushroom in the way a mushroom can be broken in half.
In some cultures mushrooms are identified as 'flesh of the gods', and in some cultures mushrooms are literally a form of will power testing given by God.
I am not saying that it is 'flesh of the gods' yet merely that other cultures do.
Mushrooms left picked but not stored properly could infact cause maggots/worms to appear, if not overnight, definitely by the end of the week.
Whoever ate the manna died, but whoever eats Christs flesh will have everlasting life.

You cannot dismiss the theory just cause you are on a war against drugs.

S.O.J.I.A. · Nov 8, 2019

titus 3:9

OffGrid · Nov 8, 2019

THE W said:
titus 3:9

Lol there is a difference between foolish accinine questioning and questioning in edification.

OffGrid · Nov 8, 2019

Maybe not? I am not trying to anger people.. I am simply trying to discuss a controversial topic. Like if you really want to shun controversy refrain from posting in this section of the forums. Besides I already got my answer and plenty more than I was asking for.

Semper-Fi · Nov 8, 2019

OffGrid said:
Well I'd like to say it is a great possibility the Israelites coming out of Egypt for 40 years were eating mushrooms as manna, thus God continued 'testing them'.

So again how was God testing them ?
To see if they would eat manna or not?

Do you think it was a mind altering drug,
that God gave them to eat as food. Where
they [not to eat] of it ?, please explain.

OffGrid · Nov 8, 2019

Semper-Fi said:
So again how was God testing them ?
To see if they would eat manna or not?

Do you think it was a mind altering drug,
that God gave them to eat as food. Where
they [not to eat] of it ?, please explain.

Deuteronomy 8:1-3
1You must carefully follow every command I am giving you today, so that you may live and multiply, and enter and possess the land that the LORD swore to give your fathers. 2Remember that these forty years the LORD your God led you all the way in the wilderness, so that He might humble you and test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep His commandments. 3He humbled you, and in your hunger He gave you manna to eat, which neither you nor your fathers had known, so that you might understand that man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.

They were given the manna to eat, yet I'd imagine the manna they lived off of was taken much like fasting.

Semper-Fi · Nov 8, 2019

OffGrid said:
They were given the manna to eat, yet I'd imagine the manna they lived off of was taken much like fasting.

They were given the manna to eat,
For food for every day of the week.
Rained twice on the 6th day, 40 years.
They did not fast for 40 years.

I know why he gave the manna.
It was a test to see if they would
keep His commandments or not.

You have still to explain why
God would [command them] to
eat [mind altering mushrooms].

Do you think it was a test , for them
to [not eat] the manna, this was the
right thing for them to do, refuse to eat?

" neither you nor your fathers had known"

Was this the first time there was
[mushrooms] on earth?

Joshua 5:12 The manna stopped.
No more manna falls from heaven.
Therefor it could not be mushrooms.

OffGrid · Nov 8, 2019

I mean the manna could simply be the Word of God. I just hypothosy that there is more to this just as the Word of God is parabolic, and all around truth.
I believe God wanted them to eat the manna and see if they continued to obey Him, however they did not and thus died in the end.
Any gift given by God, esspeically received with gratitude is a good gift as far as my understanding goes. So why would the test be a refusal of God's gift?
Who is to say they did not fast for 40 years over and over again. Surely they were not living in abundance as they walked for 40 years in circles, to and fro.

Like I said before God directs the spores where to go, therefore He can cause them to stop whenever He wishes, just as He can cause Israel and Egypt to spring forth with vegetation and water, or become desolate wastelands.
Gods will be done above even our own will.

I am not here to teach you these things. I am collaborating educated guesses. That can lead us to a ferthers understanding of scripture.
The things I say are not dogma, but simply analyzations.

I do not think God created the war on drugs. But man created the war on drugs rooted in greed. God wants us to be sober, true. Yet sober-minded is defined as 'being of a studious mind'. Most people don't care to even study scripture. I find studying scripture to be just as important as not 'practicing' drunkeness.

Semper-Fi · Nov 8, 2019

Psalms 78:25 (KJV)
Man did eat angels' food:
he sent them meat to the full.

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