The forbidden fruit was a psychedelic?

OffGrid · Nov 7, 2019

Skhitzophrenia is an immoral activity.. And is a chemical imbalance..

OffGrid · Nov 7, 2019

Strong in Him said:
It's also Spanish, or Italian or something, for Saint - Saint Nicholas, who was a Bishop, a real person and gave presents secretly to people who did not have anything.
Sure, the story's become embellished - but it's based on truth.

Saint Nick and Santa Claus are two different things. Just like Christmas and Solstice.

Strong in Him · Nov 7, 2019

OffGrid said:
Saint Nick and Santa Claus are two different things. Just like Christmas and Solstice.

The myth of a cuddly man who flies around the world on reindeer delivering presents is based on the true story of a man - a Bishop who wore a red cassock - who gave presents to people secretly.
He became someone who gives gifts to all children in the world - so they had to invent a way of him getting around the world. Because he gave gifts secretly, they invented a way of him doing that without being seen - hence, down the chimney at night.

If Santa is offensive to you; make sure kids are told the real story.

Strong in Him · Nov 7, 2019

OffGrid said:
Skhitzophrenia is an immoral activity.. And is a chemical imbalance..

Schizophrenia is a mental illness.
It is not immoral. Illnesses have no moral values attached to them; they just are. Over the years, quite a lot of harm has been done to people who have been told that their mental illness is sinful, a punishment from God or is due to a lack of faith.

OffGrid · Nov 7, 2019

I had to ask the question in order to recieve the answer. There is your edification.
In the end I got the answer I needed around the beginning or middle of page 4. it is controversial for a reason, and that's why I asked in this section, as it was proper and orderly. stop trying to point the finger at me to attempt to put me out, or tear me down.
I mean the answer is there.. Clearly the forbidden fruit was not a psycadelic. However nobody can say whether or not it had a chemical imbalancing effect on them, though it seems it might have, and would make sense to have given them some sort of eye opening effect. Or maybe it is just as watered down of an answer as people presume.
Clearly it's not dogma.
Something this controversial remains speculation regardless.. However I don't think it's impossible that God did not poison the forbidden fruit, or cause the fruit to make a chemical imbalance in Adam and Eve. It's also possible it was just a fig tree.. with figs.. And God just for no apparent reason told Adam and Eve not to eat of it, or simply to test them to see if they would.. (Granted they're eyes were opened and they began intentionally hiding from God, which sounds like some sort of disfunction to me..)

AlexDTX · Nov 7, 2019

OffGrid said:
I suppose nobodies to even say if the forbidden fruit might have even been the fruit of sin which is death. Just as there may have been fruits of the spirit in the garden before Adam and Eve were fashioned clothing/possibly ego. I mean maybe the power of sin comes from the law which is the knowledge of good and evil and the power of sin in the law is death. Maybe they literally put death into their bodies.. Idk
It's just a alternative speculation..

The disobedience in eating the forbidden fruit, certainly brought death to humanity. As I said in my prior answer, I personally believe God wanted mankind to eat from the Tree of Knowledge after we ate from the Tree of Life. God is extremely generous and I don't think He intended to with hold that either. If, without sin, we ate from the Tree of Life, mankind would have bee sealed in perfection. It is noteworthy, too, that no prohibition was made from eating from the Tree of Life. Adam and Eve could have eaten it anytime before they disobeyed.

You make a curious statement in saying, "Just as there may have been fruits of the spirit in the garden". The fruit of the Spirit used in Galatians does not refer to vegetation, but only the product of godly living. There are no Bible statements regarding "fruits of the spirit in the garden" anywhere that I know of.

Sin exists without the law, which is why Paul tells us in Romans 5 that before Moses, nonetheless death reigned. The law of Moses made Israel more aware of sin, which was not clearly recognized before the law. Sin was still known, of course, which is why animal sacrifice, begun outside the Garden of Eden, and continued with Noah after the Flood, was practiced. But the law increased the awareness of the many manifestations of sin that was already being done.

OffGrid · Nov 7, 2019

Strong in Him said:
The myth of a cuddly man who flies around the world on reindeer delivering presents is based on the true story of a man - a Bishop who wore a red cassock - who gave presents to people secretly.
He became someone who gives gifts to all children in the world - so they had to invent a way of him getting around the world. Because he gave gifts secretly, they invented a way of him doing that without being seen - hence, down the chimney at night.

If Santa is offensive to you; make sure kids are told the real story.

I will refrain and just tell them about Jesus Christ. No need to bring some random guy into it. And no need to call Saint Nick Santa Claus.. Clearly they are two different people/things, and Santa should not be anywhere inside a house of prayer for Yahweh or Yeshua. Maybe st.Nick, but not Santa.

OffGrid · Nov 7, 2019

AlexDTX said:
The disobedience in eating the forbidden fruit, certainly brought death to humanity. As I said in my prior answer, I personally believe God wanted mankind to eat from the Tree of Knowledge after we ate from the Tree of Life. God is extremely generous and I don't think He intended to with hold that either. If, without sin, we ate from the Tree of Life, mankind would have bee sealed in perfection. It is noteworthy, too, that no prohibition was made from eating from the Tree of Life. Adam and Eve could have eaten it anytime before they disobeyed.

You make a curious statement in saying, "Just as there may have been fruits of the spirit in the garden". The fruit of the Spirit used in Galatians does not refer to vegetation, but only the product of godly living. There are no Bible statements regarding "fruits of the spirit in the garden" anywhere that I know of.

Sin exists without the law, which is why Paul tells us in Romans 5 that before Moses, nonetheless death reigned. The law of Moses made Israel more aware of sin, which was not clearly recognized before the law. Sin was still known, of course, which is why animal sacrifice, begun outside the Garden of Eden, and continued with Noah after the Flood, was practiced. But the law increased the awareness of the many manifestations of sin that was already being done.

When Jesus spoke of wheat and tares, was it in translated context of wheat and tares before he explained it as people?

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 7, 2019

OffGrid said:
When Jesus spoke of wheat and tares, was it in translated context of wheat and tares before he explained it as people?

Not sure of this, but realize that the people did not understand Jesus -
not even the disciples/apostles understood Him.....
UNTIL Jesus explained to the apostles and disciples the meaning.
The people did not understand yet, until God's Chosen Time, if they did get to understand some time later.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 7, 2019

AlexDTX said:
I personally believe God wanted mankind to eat from the Tree of Knowledge after we ate from the Tree of Life. God is extremely generous and I don't think He intended to with hold that either.

This seems totally inconsistent with what Scripture says clearly and plainly.

There was no benefit from disobeying, so disobeying AFTER eating from the tree of life, IF that was or would even be possible, would be WORSE than disobeying BEFORE eating from the tree of life.

I think this also is stated in Scripture, perhaps in several ways.

OffGrid · Nov 7, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Not sure of this, but realize that the people did not understand Jesus -
not even the disciples/apostles understood Him.....
UNTIL Jesus explained to the apostles and disciples the meaning.
The people did not understand yet, until God's Chosen Time, if they did get to understand some time later.

Couldn't it be the same way for Genesis, especially the first few chapters? Especially knowing that the Son of God speaks in parables, how much more did the Father also do such?

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 7, 2019

OffGrid said:
Couldn't it be the same way for Genesis, especially the first few chapters? Especially knowing that the Son of God speaks in parables, how much more did the Father also do such?

The Father Reveals from Heaven EVERYTHING concerning Salvation in this life and in the life to come,
to little children.

He has NOT hidden Genesis from their minds, but has revealed all understanding of His Word as needed, as He did, as written, in the Bible.

AlexDTX · Nov 7, 2019

OffGrid said:
When Jesus spoke of wheat and tares, was it in translated context of wheat and tares before he explained it as people?

He spoke metaphorically. The duller blades in the drawer did not understand it, but those who truly sought the Lord did.

AlexDTX · Nov 7, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
This seems totally inconsistent with what Scripture says clearly and plainly.

There was no benefit from disobeying, so disobeying AFTER eating from the tree of life, IF that was or would even be possible, would be WORSE than disobeying BEFORE eating from the tree of life.

I think this also is stated in Scripture, perhaps in several ways.

That is not what I said, Jeff. I said, if they had obeyed God, then ate from the Tree of Life, then, I believe, God would have let them eat from the Tree of Knowledge.

Off Grid thought the Tree of Knowledge was the source of sin. Disobedience and not believing God was the source of sin, not the fruit from the tree.

OffGrid · Nov 7, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
The Father Reveals from Heaven EVERYTHING concerning Salvation in this life and in the life to come,
to little children.

He has NOT hidden Genesis from their minds, but has revealed all understanding of His Word as needed, as He did, as written, in the Bible.

It's revealed, yet wisdom is hidden by God. I seek it out. There is always more things to find in scripture. It's been revealed but there is some things that only those who care enough to find will find, let alone understand.

I am not some sort of heresy monster for seeking it out, or making one incorrect hypothesis. I know myself to be a fool.

Mountainmanbob · Nov 7, 2019

OffGrid said:
Why do so many never make the connection between the forbidden fruit and psychedelics?
I mean here are some reasonings, and relatabilities:
-Parents tell their children don't do drugs usually without giving them a seemingly valid reason not to
-when Adam ate the fruit his eyes were opened. (Whether literally metaphorically or dilated (not that there is much of a difference) it's still pretty evident)
-the fruit created a paranoia effect
-before hand they knew not the difference between good and evil, yet all of a sudden it seems to have flashed before their eyes
-it angered the Father that they disobeyed and they were cast out of the garden
-the serpent tempted eve much like a drug dealer might tempt someone to take acid or mushrooms claiming it's the best thing ever
-it seemed to cause them to feel naked when before they never seemed noticed, just as drugs might cause someone to toil in what seems like vanity to an outside source
-Adam and eve seemed lost
-psycadelics seem to be forbidden... atleast to most people

So is there any reason to believe the forbidden fruit was not a psycadelics drug, and preachers just don't put emphasis on it as such as to keep it in ancient context that they don't anger the world? (Though being a friend to the world they are depriving others of the truth, and thus leaving children vulnerable to experiment with many forbidden fruits because this story/parable is not taught correctly makes the story teller an enemy to God?)

Never heard this one before?
Man needs to keep an eye on himself.
M-Bob

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 7, 2019

OffGrid said:
It's revealed, yet wisdom is hidden by God. I seek it out. There is always more things to find in scripture. It's been revealed but there is some things that only those who care enough to find will find, let alone understand.

Possibly good, at least to SEEK THE TRUTH, and KEEP SEEKING, yes.
but
"caring enough to find " may very well not lead to finding - as some or many (actually most in the world) of the things posted are not true, no matter who cared or who found them .

And as for understanding, it is not received until God from heaven grants it, as written.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 7, 2019

AlexDTX said:
That is not what I said, Jeff. I said, if they had obeyed God, then ate from the Tree of Life, then, I believe, God would have let them eat from the Tree of Knowledge.

Yes, I saw that.
It appears contrary to Scripture.

EVEN AFTER eating from the tree of life, if /when permitted , It would have still been disobedient to eat from the tree of knowledge.

People TODAY get in trouble for trying to get something from the tree of knowledge, regardless if they are saved or not.

OffGrid · Nov 7, 2019

Knock without selfish ambition and it will open.

I'm not doing any of this out of selfishness, like I've been saying I only do these things for edification. I don't even care about tripping and stuff, I just found some interesting connections and shared them.

If you have wisdom freely give, that more might be given to you.

I am seriously trying to increase understanding, not diminish anyone, or find faults.

I mean.. It is what it is..

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 7, 2019

OffGrid said:
Knock without selfish ambition and it will open.
I'm not doing any of this out of selfishness, like I've been saying I only do these things for edification. I don't even care about tripping and stuff, I just found some interesting connections and shared them.
If you have wisdom freely give, that more might be given to you.
I am seriously trying to increase understanding, not diminish anyone, or find faults.
I mean.. It is what it is..

It does not matter if someone knocks, over and over again, or for how long,
if they are not seeking the truth and if they are not willingly and joyously seeking God's Kingdom.
ALL the questions are answered by God fully or perfectly, when Jesus is our knowledge, and our wisdom, and our understanding.. or as God grants understanding and opens our minds as He Says.

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