Allegiance to the "Duly Elected" President?

Albion · Nov 7, 2019

GACfan said:
As an American, do you believe that the Senate or the other branches of government should give their allegiance to a rightly duly elected President? Should you as an American? I decided to start this thread because I just read an interesting comment that implied the Senate should give their allegiance to the duly elected President, which at this time is Donald Trump. I do have my doubts, however, that this passionate sentiment would have been shared if the current President was a Democrat.

It always has been.

What we see being played out now is unprecedented in American history.

keith99 · Nov 7, 2019

Trump was elected President, not Feuhrer. Any attempt to claim that allegiance is owed to him is frighteningly close to the disastrous Feuhrer oath.

Albion · Nov 7, 2019

keith99 said:
Trump was elected President, not Feuhrer. Any attempt to claim that allegiance is owed to him is frighteningly close to the disastrous Feuhrer oath.

How do you figure (since no one gives any such oath)?

The notion that accepting the winner of the presidential election is something like an oath given to the fuehrer would be laughable if it were not so offensive.

BryanJohnMaloney · Nov 7, 2019

Albion said:
How do you figure (since no one gives any such oath)?

The notion that accepting the winner of the presidential election is something like an oath given to the fuehrer would be laughable if it were not so offensive.

Odd that such a notion seems to be rather popular in the USA, at the present moment. After all, personal ALLEGIANCE is quite different to merely recognizing him as the holder of an executive office. I have never held any personal allegiance to any mere President of the United States, and I never shall. Each is merely one of a string of office-holders, a magistrate and a public servant, nothing to which any citizen owes personal allegiance.

Allegiance is a VERY different thing from simply letting an office holder do his job.

BryanJohnMaloney · Nov 7, 2019

The Senator's oath of office:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

Can anyone at all point out where a US Senator swears allegiance to the PRESIDENT? Hrm, looks like allegiance is sworn to the CONSTITUTION, and if that Senator, in good conscience, thinks the President has violated the Constitution, who is the Senator sworn to defend? The "duly elected president"?

Albion · Nov 7, 2019

BryanJohnMaloney said:
Odd that such a notion seems to be rather popular in the USA, at the present moment. After all, personal ALLEGIANCE is quite different to merely recognizing him as the holder of an executive office. I have never held any personal allegiance to any mere President of the United States, and I never shall. Each is merely one of a string of office-holders, a magistrate and a public servant, nothing to which any citizen owes personal allegiance.

Allegiance is a VERY different thing from simply letting an office holder do his job.

It's all phony. Contrived. That's probably why the ideas strikes you as peculiar.

BryanJohnMaloney · Nov 7, 2019

Albion said:
It's all phony. That's probably why the ideas strikes you as peculiar.

It's not phony at all. I've seen it. I've seen family members wallow in it.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 7, 2019

GACfan said:
As an American, do you believe that the Senate or the other branches of government should give their allegiance to a rightly duly elected President? Should you as an American? I decided to start this thread because I just read an interesting comment that implied the Senate should give their allegiance to the duly elected President, which at this time is Donald Trump. I do have my doubts, however, that this passionate sentiment would have been shared if the current President was a Democrat.

If it matters who the president is, or what party they are part of, then it is unrighteous.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 7, 2019

BryanJohnMaloney said:
The Senator's oath of office:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

Can anyone at all point out where a US Senator swears allegiance to the PRESIDENT? Hrm, looks like allegiance is sworn to the CONSTITUTION, and if that Senator, in good conscience, thinks the President has violated the Constitution, who is the Senator sworn to defend? The "duly elected president"?

Can you name ANY politician, senator or not, who has a good conscience !? (clear and true and God Honoring)

BryanJohnMaloney · Nov 7, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Can you name ANY politician, senator or not, who has a good conscience !? (clear and true and God Honoring)

Therefore, you approve of politicians never living up to such concepts and instead being sycophants who live by personal allegiance to another politician?

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 7, 2019

Non-sequitur, and not applicable, and no justification to "assume" that.

seeking.IAM · Nov 7, 2019

Our government was designed with a system of built-in checks and balances. Blind allegiance cannot be a part of that. That is what allows the country to stay the course even in the absence of a strong or good leader.

Albion · Nov 7, 2019

BryanJohnMaloney said:
It's not phony at all. I've seen it. I've seen family members wallow in it.

There have been plenty of American presidents who were seen by their fans as bigger than life...long before Trump came along. FDR, JFK, and Obama, easily come to mind. Obama was called the "Messiah" by some supporters and he even had his own uniformed drill team of children who performed as his special honor guard.

Trying to make something special out of the fact that a lot of Americans support Trump now (much of it because he is known by them to be unfairly under attack by the people who cannot get over losing in 2016) is indeed contrived. That doesn't mean that it isn't hateful and untruthful, but it's still contrived.

BryanJohnMaloney · Nov 7, 2019

Albion said:
There have been plenty of American presidents who were seen by their fans as bigger than life...long before Trump came along. FDR, JFK, and Obama, easily come to mind. Obama was called the "Messiah" by some supporters and he even had his own uniformed drill team of children who performed as his special honor guard.

Trying to make something special out of the fact that a lot of Americans support Trump now (much of it because he is known by them to be unfairly under attack by the people who cannot get over losing in 2016) is indeed contrived.

Quote specifically where I stated this filth began with Trump's presidency. I have said already that I have never felt personal allegiance to any president, and I consider the concept to be disgusting and thoroughly antithetical to how our government is meant to be.

Such whataboutism is worthy of a Soviet commisar.

Kentonio · Nov 7, 2019

Albion said:
It always has been.

What we see being played out now is unprecedented in American history.

This is ridiculous. The congressional Republicans said on day one of Obama’s presidency that their number one priority was to make him a one term president. Not helping the American people, not protecting the country, their number one priority was to get rid of the President. They then proceeded to obstruct everything he tried to do, and then broke all precedent to steal a Supreme Court seat from him.

So please don’t talk to us as if we were children. This isn’t ancient history, everyone remembers exactly how much ‘allegiance’ the GOP congress showed to President Obama.

BryanJohnMaloney · Nov 7, 2019

Kentonio said:
This is ridiculous. The congressional Republicans said on day one of Obama’s presidency that their number one priority was to make him a one term president. Not helping the American people, not protecting the country, their number one priority was to get rid of the President. They then proceeded to obstruct everything he tried to do, and then broke all precedent to steal a Supreme Court seat from him.

So please don’t talk to us as if we were children. This isn’t ancient history, everyone remembers exactly how much ‘allegiance’ the GOP congress showed to President Obama.

It's simple, there are people who get off on waving the "victim" banner. "NOBODY HAS EVER SUFFERED LIKE WE SUFFER! POOR US! POOR US! POOR US!" When their little BOY gets a taste of the same medicine they handed out previously, they say it's "unprecedented". What is unprecedented is when someone stands up to a bully and blowhard.

GACfan · Nov 7, 2019

Kentonio said:
This is ridiculous. The congressional Republicans said on day one of Obama’s presidency that their number one priority was to make him a one term president. Not helping the American people, not protecting the country, their number one priority was to get rid of the President. They then proceeded to obstruct everything he tried to do, and then broke all precedent to steal a Supreme Court seat from him.

So please don’t talk to us as if we were children. This isn’t ancient history, everyone remembers exactly how much ‘allegiance’ the GOP congress showed to President Obama.

Well said, Kentonio. And there's also this: Efforts to impeach Barack Obama. Not to mention... 9 of the nastiest things Trump said about Obama. Trump and his supporters are reaping what they have sown.

keith99 · Nov 7, 2019

Albion said:
How do you figure (since no one gives any such oath)?

The notion that accepting the winner of the presidential election is something like an oath given to the fuehrer would be laughable if it were not so offensive.

Demanding personal allegiance is exactly what the Fuehrer oath was about. And yes someone demanding such is offensive.

Albion · Nov 7, 2019

BryanJohnMaloney said:
It's simple, there are people who get off on waving the "victim" banner. "NOBODY HAS EVER SUFFERED LIKE WE SUFFER! POOR US! POOR US! POOR US!" When their little BOY gets a taste of the same medicine they handed out previously, they say it's "unprecedented". What is unprecedented is when someone stands up to a bully and blowhard.

And there are people who insist that the world is ending, the sky is falling, everyone's a Nazi, White Supremacist, or Soviet spy...just because their candidate lost.

The plain fact is that most of Trump's base is with him and will stay with him simply because they believe that it is imperative that we continue to live according to the Constitution rather than like some banana republic with palace revolutions, coups, politically-inspired riots, and all that we have been seeing in the past three years, simply because someone lost an election fair and square.

GACfan · Nov 7, 2019

My question is: Does Donald Trump respect the U.S. Constitution and the rule of law established by the Constitution when he said it is "an archaic system" and "it's really a bad thing for the country"?

Donald Trump slams 'archaic' US constitution that is 'really bad' for the country

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