Are we made in God's image?

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That is not same as “God incarnated”.
It is not? Incarnate means "became flesh". God became flesh is what God incarnate means. Or you could say it as God in the flesh.
 
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It is not? Incarnate means "became flesh". God became flesh is what God incarnate means. Or you could say it as God in the flesh.

I meant, John 1:14 says "Word became flesh", not “God became flesh”.

Bible tells God lives in Jesus and in disciples of Jesus. That way God is in flesh. I don’t think it is same as incarnate.

Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works.
John 14:10

For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily,
Colossians 2:9

Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16
 
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I meant, John 1:14 says "Word became flesh", not “God became flesh”.

Bible tells God lives in Jesus and in disciples of Jesus. That way God is in flesh. I don’t think it is same as incarnate.

Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works.
John 14:10

For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily,
Colossians 2:9

Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16

First, "The Word was God" John 1:1. Thus, if the Word became flesh, then God became Flesh.
Second, "incarnat-" is a Latin word that literally means "made flesh"
 
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First, "The Word was God" John 1:1. Thus, if the Word became flesh, then God became Flesh.
Second, "incarnat-" is a Latin word that literally means "made flesh"

The problem with that is, that what Bible tells can be understood also so that the word was God, but not the true God. “Word” acted and represented God and so was God. It is same as, if I am sent by God and you receive me, you receive God. Yet, it doesn’t mean I am the one and only true God.

Most assuredly I tell you, he who receives whomever I send, receives me; and he who receives me, receives him who sent me."
John 13:20

If we look accurately what John says:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1

If we understand that so that the “Word” is the one and only true God, then it is saying, God was with God. And because according to the Bible there is only one true God, it doesn’t really sound correct.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

This is why I believe the correct understanding of John is, the Word was God, because he did God’s work, but it is not the same as the one and only true God.
 
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The problem with that is, that what Bible tells can be understood also so that the word was God, but not the true God.
But scripture does say "the Word was God" in English. In Greek the words are ordered differently so it says, when translated word for word "God was the Word".
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. [2] He was with God in the beginning. [3] All things were made through Him, and nothing that was made was made without Him. [4] Life was in Him, and Life was the light of men. [5] And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. [6] There was a man sent by God, whose name was John. [7] He arrived as a witness to offer testimony about the Light, so that all would believe through him. [8] He was not the Light, but he was to offer testimony about the Light. [9] The true Light, which illuminates every man, was coming into this world. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world did not recognize him. [11] He went to his own, and his own did not accept him. [12] Yet whoever did accept him, those who believed in his name, he gave them the power to become the sons of God. [13] These are born, not of blood, nor of the will of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [14] And the Word became flesh, and he lived among us, and we saw his glory, glory like that of an only-begotten son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
(John 1:1-14)​
The bold words say God was the Word and the Word became flesh.

What more is needed?
 
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More is not needed for that. But we have more than that in the Bible and I think the rest of the Bible should not be ignored.
The rest of the bible isn't ignored by noticing what is in John 1:1,14.

But why do you think that what is in the bible matters so much anyway?

What lies behind the idea that the bible matters? And is what lies behind that idea more important than the bible is? I ask because it seems that there's is a risk that putting the bible above everything makes the bible into the reason for having faith in God and that implies that if the bible is found to have a fault or many faults then faith in God will vanish because it is not so much faith in God as it is reliance upon the bible.

Christians believe that Jesus is God and a man both because the scriptures teach it and because it has always been a part of Christian faith. Christians had faith in Jesus before the bible was completed. Faith in Jesus and recognition that Jesus is God and a man at the same time came before the bible was finished so it never rested upon the bible exclusively. In fact the bible rests more on the faith of Christians than the faith of Christians rests upon the bible. Christianity came first and the bible followed so Christian faith is not resting on the bible as its foundation. It's not possible to rest on the bible as foundation if the bible is the product of faith rather than its cause. And the bible is in fact the product of faith - not its cause.
 
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In fact the bible rests more on the faith of Christians than the faith of Christians rests upon the bible. Christianity came first and the bible followed so Christian faith is not resting on the bible as its foundation. It's not possible to rest on the bible as foundation if the bible is the product of faith rather than its cause. And the bible is in fact the product of faith - not its cause.
Nope - facts mixed up here apparently.

If the truth of Yahuweh, Sovereign Creator, and His Breathed Word,
rested on Christians or their faith,
it would be very very very shaky at best ,
in this world.

What Yahuweh says is truth, is truth, and nothing can or will ever change that.
He Says So in His Inspired Word.
 
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Nope - facts mixed up here apparently.

If the truth of Yahuweh, Sovereign Creator, and His Breathed Word,
rested on Christians or their faith,
it would be very very very shaky at best ,
in this world.

What Yahuweh says is truth, is truth, and nothing can or will ever change that.
He Says So in His Inspired Word.
Nevertheless Christians produced the bible, specifically the new testament, and Christianity existed before the bible was complete. The bible depends on Christians for its existence. Of course both Christians and the bible depend on God for their existence. It is important not to confuse the scriptures with God. Christian faith comes from God rests upon God and is directed towards God. Scripture is a product of that faith.
 
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Nevertheless Christians produced the bible, specifically the new testament, and Christianity existed before the bible was complete. The bible depends on Christians for its existence. Of course both Christians and the bible depend on God for their existence. It is important not to confuse the scriptures with God. Christian faith comes from God rests upon God and is directed towards God. Scripture is a product of that faith.
Yahuweh is the One Source of the Bible, and it has little or nothing to do with the rise of "Christendom".

(according to Yahuweh and His Revelation in His Word.)
 
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Yahuweh is the One Source of the Bible, and it has little or nothing to do with the rise of "Christendom".

(according to Yahuweh and His Revelation in His Word.)
Really?
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.
2 Peter 1:20-21
The human beings are Christians for the new testament and the man who wrote the letter I quoted is a Christian.
 
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"NOT through human will" Yahuweh is the Source. The Origination. Not of the flesh.
Human flesh is what God became man to redeem, the flesh is good, it is not some nasty evil thing to be avoided as if it was worthless. Resurrection is all about the redeemed flesh. Incarnation is all about redeeming flesh. We are made in God's image and because God always is flesh in eternity no one ought to be denigrating flesh as if it is inherently evil.
 
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...came first and the bible followed so Christian faith is not resting on the bible as its foundation....

Christian meant originally a disciple of Jesus.

When he found him, he brought him to Antioch, and for a whole year they were guests of the church and taught a large crowd. It was in Antioch that the disciples were first called Christians.
Acts 11:26

And a disciple of Jesus is a person who remains in the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, "If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

So, the teachings of Jesus are the foundation of Christianity. And I believe the words are in the Bible. Do you think the teachings of Jesus are not in the Bible, or that they are not meaningful? Who is greater than Jesus? You? Paul, or some other ancient person?
 
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Christian meant originally a disciple of Jesus.
In some revelations of the meanings of the original words, "permanent disciple" is realized/stated/translated.

i.e. whole heartedly, willing to never look back and never go back to willfully sinning or to not depending on Yahuweh with their lives ever again, in part. (there's a lot more in the Epistles)
 
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