The forbidden fruit was a psychedelic?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Actually, as written in Scripture, those things are practiced more than the truth, legal or not. (but not in line with TORAH, and not morally right)

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Oh, so the stuff illegal under US state and Federal law is practiced more, according to you.

No. It was simply disobedience from what God said NOT to do. They instead took the fruit and ate from the only tree in the garden that God said not to eat from. No psychedelics involved. God plainly said to “not eat or touch from it, lest you die.”

OffGrid said:

You seem like one that would rebuke me in a church for telling a child Santa Claus does not exist, that his name is a mixed up word for Satan and that the truth is the spirit of true love is bringing you gifts this year.

I've been asked to leave a "church" before for such things, and I was led by the Spirit as I do it every time this sort of thing happens.

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First, why would anyone approve of spreading lies in church (that there is this "Santa" thing)? Second, I'd not indulge in silly crap like the letter-rearrangement game. Third, by "spirit of love", I would only mean a metaphorical explication of the feelings of love that people would have for those children.

Now, what is this alleged "spirit" that leads you? How do you know it is not a spirit of lies or of insanity? Have you sought psychiatric help for your obsession?

OffGrid said:

my theory does not go against scripture.

I mean if your calling me a liar for a theory in a controversial theology thread without any basis on why you would presume such a thing then maybe you are a liar? Idk

Jesus had people claiming He had demons too, it's no surprise that you would treat me poorly in the same manner just because I tell you the truth, or seek challenging edification and truth.

Ferthermore there is no need for me to prove myself to you because God knows my heart.

May God bless you and show you that Santa Claus is not the Way, that churches are not always really churches as much as profit organizations with a fascade, and that the world does not speak well of God's people for a reason, just like the forefathers.

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So, you onsider yourself Jesus?

The claim that the fruit in question was a pear doesn't go against scripture. Prove it could not have been a pear.

You have a delusion and an obsession, and it can only lead peopke away from salvation. How does your delusion aid salvation?

OffGrid said:

Why do so many never make the connection between the forbidden fruit and psychedelics?

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Maybe they aren't doing enough psychedelics.

OffGrid said:

Why do so many never make the connection between the forbidden fruit and psychedelics?
I mean here are some reasonings, and relatabilities:
-Parents tell their children don't do drugs usually without giving them a seemingly valid reason not to
-when Adam ate the fruit his eyes were opened. (Whether literally metaphorically or dilated (not that there is much of a difference) it's still pretty evident)
-the fruit created a paranoia effect
-before hand they knew not the difference between good and evil, yet all of a sudden it seems to have flashed before their eyes
-it angered the Father that they disobeyed and they were cast out of the garden
-the serpent tempted eve much like a drug dealer might tempt someone to take acid or mushrooms claiming it's the best thing ever
-it seemed to cause them to feel naked when before they never seemed noticed, just as drugs might cause someone to toil in what seems like vanity to an outside source
-Adam and eve seemed lost
-psycadelics seem to be forbidden... atleast to most people

So is there any reason to believe the forbidden fruit was not a psycadelics drug, and preachers just don't put emphasis on it as such as to keep it in ancient context that they don't anger the world? (Though being a friend to the world they are depriving others of the truth, and thus leaving children vulnerable to experiment with many forbidden fruits because this story/parable is not taught correctly makes the story teller an enemy to God?)

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If the forbidden fruit were a drug the bible would have called it a drug! Just like the bible speaks of wine it calls it wine....or sex....it calls it sex...not fruit. So I'm willing to bet that fruit means fruit. They took a bite of it not a line or puff of anything else. However, I think you have an interesting metaphor going on.

BryanJohnMaloney said:

First, why would anyone approve of spreading lies in church (that there is this "Santa" thing)? Second, I'd not indulge in silly crap like the letter-rearrangement game. Third, by "spirit of love", I would only mean a metaphorical explication of the feelings of love that people would have for those children.

Now, what is this alleged "spirit" that leads you? How do you know it is not a spirit of lies or of insanity? Have you sought psychiatric help for your obsession?

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If you're not the one to tell kids Santa-god is a lie, my elementary age kids will. We've gotten a couple calls because they've said Santa is dead (which he is, Nicholas has been dead 1500 odd years).

To the issue at hand, why would any Christian be okay with falsehoods being spread in the church? I'm consistently amazed at the amount of rank superstition I see on these message boards from Christians. This whole psychedelic fruit thread is but one example. If we were meant to know the details of the fruit, God would have told us. He didn't, he gave us no clues whatsoever. We can't conclude it's an apple, we can't conclude it's a kiwi, we can't conclude it has psychedelic properties. Speculation takes us away from God's word and into the realm of navel gazing.

OffGrid said:

I believe the truth is out there... None of you even read my last couple posts..

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So, now you're trying to garner sympathy by talking like a characer

OffGrid said:

I suppose nobodies to even say if the forbidden fruit might have even been the fruit of sin which is death. Just as there may have been fruits of the spirit in the garden before Adam and Eve were fashioned clothing/possibly ego. I mean maybe the power of sin comes from the law which is the knowledge of good and evil and the power of sin in the law is death. Maybe they literally put death into their bodies.. Idk
It's just a alternative speculation..

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And how does any of that matter for salvation?

It was forbidden. Adam and Eve disobeyed. What the fruit physically was did not and does not matter.

OffGrid said:

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-when Adam ate the fruit his eyes were opened. (Whether literally metaphorically or dilated (not that there is much of a difference) it's still pretty evident)
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...So is there any reason to believe the forbidden fruit was not a psycadelics drug, and preachers just don't put emphasis on it as such as to keep it in ancient context that they don't anger the world? ...

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I think there is no reason to believe it was a psychedelic. And actually, it is possible that the fruit itself didn’t do anything. After people had eaten the fruit, they understood some things, but it is possible that it was not from the fruit, but from that thy had disobeyed God.

OffGrid said:

Why do so many never make the connection between the forbidden fruit and psychedelics?
I mean here are some reasonings, and relatabilities:
-Parents tell their children don't do drugs usually without giving them a seemingly valid reason not to
-when Adam ate the fruit his eyes were opened. (Whether literally metaphorically or dilated (not that there is much of a difference) it's still pretty evident)
-the fruit created a paranoia effect
-before hand they knew not the difference between good and evil, yet all of a sudden it seems to have flashed before their eyes
-it angered the Father that they disobeyed and they were cast out of the garden
-the serpent tempted eve much like a drug dealer might tempt someone to take acid or mushrooms claiming it's the best thing ever
-it seemed to cause them to feel naked when before they never seemed noticed, just as drugs might cause someone to toil in what seems like vanity to an outside source
-Adam and eve seemed lost
-psycadelics seem to be forbidden... atleast to most people

So is there any reason to believe the forbidden fruit was not a psycadelics drug, and preachers just don't put emphasis on it as such as to keep it in ancient context that they don't anger the world? (Though being a friend to the world they are depriving others of the truth, and thus leaving children vulnerable to experiment with many forbidden fruits because this story/parable is not taught correctly makes the story teller an enemy to God?)

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In Jewish tradition the forbidden fruit was a fig!

I think people like the notion of psychedelics being the fruit because of 1) recreational use of psychoactive mushrooms etc., 2) the modern popularity of Gnosis, Gnosticism and New Age Enlightenment.

OffGrid said:

I mean here are some reasonings, and relatabilities:
-Parents tell their children don't do drugs usually without giving them a seemingly valid reason not to

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You assume that Adam did not understand. God is not like fallen mankind. He is just and fair. Adam understood the consequences, but had not yet experienced the consequences.

-when Adam ate the fruit his eyes were opened. (Whether literally metaphorically or dilated (not that there is much of a difference) it's still pretty evident)

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Being a fruit that helps them to know the difference of good and evil does not mean as a psychedelic. Frankly, I believe God fully intended for them to eat of this tree after they had proven themselves as fully faithful to God.

-the fruit created a paranoia effect

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Knowing they disobeyed and would suffer consequences is not paranoia. Paranoia is an irrational fear of everyone. There fear was rational.

-it angered the Father that they disobeyed and they were cast out of the garden

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The wrath of man is not the same as the wrath of God. There is no reason to believe God was angry - disappointed, yes, but not angry. He gave them hope of salvation in Genesis 3:15, and provided them temporary cover with the animal skins. He cast them out to prevent them from eating from the tree of life so they would not become immortal sinners. That is not anger, that is hospice care.

-the serpent tempted eve much like a drug dealer might tempt someone to take acid or mushrooms claiming it's the best thing ever

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Just because drug dealers tempt people to buy drugs, is not a fair comparison to the serpent. They were tempted in the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and the pride of life just like all of us are in so many other arenas. Jesus had the same temptations.

-it seemed to cause them to feel naked when before they never seemed noticed, just as drugs might cause someone to toil in what seems like vanity to an outside source

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They felt naked because the the shekinah glory of God that had covered them departed.

-Adam and eve seemed lost

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They were lost in sin. If you compare psychedelics to sin, perhaps it is because sin is a form of insanity, of which psychedelics increase.

-psycadelics seem to be forbidden... atleast to most people

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Because is it is illegal and destructive. Do you equate something forbidden as the reason for temptation?

So is there any reason to believe the forbidden fruit was not a psycadelics drug, and preachers just don't put emphasis on it as such as to keep it in ancient context that they don't anger the world?

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Yes, every reason. If it were, we would all be born hallucinating and could not comprehend anything.

Strange theory, reminds me of a scholar named John Allegro who thought Jesus Himself was a psychedelic mushroom.

Along with the tree of the forbidden fruit, there was the Tree of Life, which apparently Adam and Eve never did eat from, though they were NOT commanded to abstain from it. After they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, God blocked them from the tree of life