The campaign to impeach president Trump has begun.

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Your ignorance on this topic is clear. Impeachment is not a conviction, it is the accusation, an indictment. From Wikipedia:

“Impeachment
is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. Impeachment does not in itself remove the official definitively from office; it is similar to an indictment in criminal law, and thus it is essentially the statement of charges against the official. Whereas in some countries the individual is provisionally removed, in others they can remain in office during the trial. Once an individual is impeached, they must then face the possibility of conviction on the charges by a legislative vote, which is separate from the impeachment, but flows from it, and a judgment which convicts the official on the articles of impeachment entails the official’s definitive removal from office.”

What is going on now is an impeachment inquiry - an investigation to collect evidence. Trump has not yet been impeached (charged.). If he is impeached, there will be a hearing, (“going to court”) and the senate will vote on whether to convict.

When the police suspect a crime, they conduct an investigation, then press charges, then the accused goes on trial. We are in the investigation stage and you are asking why there hasn’t been a trial.

You are missing the fact that Trump is supposed to prove himself innocent, rather than be found guilty. This was planned from day one and is even proven in correspondence and texts.
 
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How many times did the House try to do away with Obamacare ?

And ... is it true that the Senate didn't even give his last Supreme Court nominee a hearing ???

Karma sucks, I guess ....

Again... no attempt was made to forcibly remove Obama from office. This is on an entirely differnt level.
 
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Then you haven't been paying attention. The reason it has gotten this far is because Trump brought it on himself.

By what? Being elected? What did he do as the president in 2015 that made him such a target?

He ran.
 
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By what? Being elected? What did he do as the president in 2015 that made him such a target?

He ran.

There was concern that he might have colluded with the Russians to sabotage Hillary Clinton's campaign. A lot of people wanted an impeachment investigation to get to the bottom of the matter, but the House decided instead to let an independent investigator handle the investigation. As it turned out, there was insufficient evidence to impeach on that.
 
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Come on... people weren't beaten in the streets over Obamacare. People were not scared to even admit they supported Obama out of fear of bodily harm, losing their job, or having property destroyed.
Are people being beaten in the streets ... ?
 
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Again... no attempt was made to forcibly remove Obama from office. This is on an entirely differnt level.
As I said ... Obama never stepped in it. He was a bit too smart for that ...
 
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Legal process ya say? What crime? What crime is Trump being impeached for?

The Constitution says the president “shall be removed from office on impeachment for and conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”
When the impeachment investigation of Clinton began they didn't know anything about what ultimately got him impeached when he lied about it.

I want to see Trump be questioned just like Clinton was. If he can't do that he just hiding behind tweets and his attorneys.
 
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Then answer my question: What crime did Trump commit as the president of the united states, on his first day in office, that brought you to your conclusion?
I wouldn't necessarily say Donald was involved in this, but there certainly seems to be enough evidence of criminal activity surrounding his inauguration.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...bf2692-5cc1-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

An American political consultant whose guilty plea marked the first confirmation that illegal foreign money was used to help fund Donald Trump’s inaugural committee was sentenced to probation Friday by a federal judge who cited his cooperation with U.S. prosecutors.
 
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There was concern that he might have colluded with the Russians to sabotage Hillary Clinton's campaign. A lot of people wanted an impeachment investigation to get to the bottom of the matter, but the House decided instead to let an independent investigator handle the investigation. As it turned out, there was insufficient evidence to impeach on that.

Of course there was insufficient evidence.... it was made up. All they had to go on was the Steele dossier that was paid for by the DNC and the Muller report.
 
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Of course there was insufficient evidence.... it was made up. All they had to go on was the Steele dossier that was paid for by the DNC and the Muller report.

It wasn't made up. Associates of Trump were illegally involved with Russia, and were exposed by the investigation. The investigation was appropriate, and Trump was effectively cleared of collusion.

I never thought Trump colluded with the Russians in the first place, and felt that the investigation was a waste of time at first. But it turned out pretty useful.
 
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No. On the day he made the phone call to the Ukrainian President and basically extorted them for his own political benefit. That’s what started this whole ordeal. Trump’s own big mouth.
Actually, the recently released testimony of some of Donald's employees indicates that this predates the actual call. It goes to being premeditated and also to attempts to hide it from normal diplomatic channels.
 
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When the impeachment investigation of Clinton began they didn't know anything about what ultimately got him impeached when he lied about it.

I want to see Trump be questioned just like Clinton was. If he can't do that he just hiding behind tweets and his attorneys.

Clinton was adjudicated and found in contempt. Trump has never even been in court for a single misdeed. They are jumping directly to impeachment to investigate "what if any" crime was committed.
 
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It wasn't made up. Associates of Trump were illegally involved with Russia, and were exposed by the investigation. The investigation was appropriate, and Trump was effectively cleared of collusion.

I never thought Trump colluded with the Russians in the first place, and felt that the investigation was a waste of time at first. But it turned out pretty useful.

What you are bringing up is currently under federal criminal investigation. There are illegalities surrounding that information, how it was gathered, used, and the investigators themselves. Something is off with them.

That also includes Flynn among other topics.
 
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There was concern that he might have colluded with the Russians to sabotage Hillary Clinton's campaign.

Yes. That's kinda what happens when a candidate asks a foreign government to do so on national TV.

It is telling that the OP doesn't want to discuss the actual facts of the matter such as these.
 
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Guilty until proven innocent then I suppose. Because one needs to find the crime to fit the justification for impeachment. We need to determine " IF " a crime was committed. In America we start with a crime having had been committed. We don't go around and look for a crime that might not have been committed; so we can make charges we want to stick on someone. That is illegal and unconstitutional.
Sometimes we start with an accusation that a crime has been committed. Then evidence is gathered to find out if it is true and sometimes a Grand Jury is called to determine if there is enough evidence to move forward to a trial.
 
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What you are bringing up is currently under federal criminal investigation. There are illegalities surrounding that information, how it was gathered, used, and the investigators themselves.
To borrow a common question from other posts in this thread, when was this every adjudicated?
 
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Why would anyone believe that this is a fact?

Because many reconise that it isn't natural or organic. This all stems from 2105, was kicked off in 2017 as corroborated by texts and documents from within intel agencies and the FBI. That's not new and it is documented.
 
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