Are all selfish acts sinful?

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we often speak of selfishness casually dismissing what we may consider small things or just parts of life that we don't think about. So what parts of selfishness can we dismiss or consider too little, label sinful or warrant corrective behaviour on our part? Sometimes we justify it as "self-care" and I'm not saying self-care is not a real thing but the term can be abused and stuffed with things we simply don't want to address or surrender? Many times the things aren't even labelled and we don't know how luxurious we live compared to the rest of the world.

But there also seems to be an allowance for the shallow aspects of life, for example, having the options to enjoy wine rather than be limited to just water. We are not called to be like John the Baptist who "came neither eating nor drinking" we are called to be like Christ who "came eating and drinking". So where is the balance and how do we responsible measure it?
 

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we often speak of selfishness casually dismissing what we may consider small things or just parts of life that we don't think about. So what parts of selfishness can we dismiss or consider too little, label sinful or warrant corrective behaviour on our part? Sometimes we justify it as "self-care" and I'm not saying self-care is not a real thing but the term can be abused and stuffed with things we simply don't want to address or surrender? Many times the things aren't even labelled and we don't know how luxurious we live compared to the rest of the world.

But there also seems to be an allowance for the shallow aspects of life, for example, having the options to enjoy wine rather than be limited to just water. We are not called to be like John the Baptist who "came neither eating nor drinking" we are called to be like Christ who "came eating and drinking". So where is the balance and how do we responsible measure it?
Be led by the Spirit and by conscience.
 
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we often speak of selfishness casually dismissing what we may consider small things or just parts of life that we don't think about. So what parts of selfishness can we dismiss or consider too little, label sinful or warrant corrective behaviour on our part? Sometimes we justify it as "self-care" and I'm not saying self-care is not a real thing but the term can be abused and stuffed with things we simply don't want to address or surrender? Many times the things aren't even labelled and we don't know how luxurious we live compared to the rest of the world.

But there also seems to be an allowance for the shallow aspects of life, for example, having the options to enjoy wine rather than be limited to just water. We are not called to be like John the Baptist who "came neither eating nor drinking" we are called to be like Christ who "came eating and drinking". So where is the balance and how do we responsible measure it?

Selfishness may not be sinful BUT it is deadly, it shows you have no love and no love of God!
John 12:25
Matthew 10:39
Mark 8:35
Luke 9:24
1 John 3:16-18


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Be led by the Spirit and by conscience.
you bring up an interesting contrast. our conscience tends to be contextually developed. one has a conviction to not eat pork, the other is free to eat it. What actually is happening is that we're conditioned for these convictions from cultural mores at early ages or with lots of repetition and they are less focused on the spirit.

Within a vacuum, it doesn't matter as much because everyone thinks the same way, but outside the vacuum, we risk causing offence or getting offended, the product of both is unlove and disunity as is quite evident in Christians communities over the past 2000 years. in both cases, the spirit is limited because the spirit is forced into a cultural filter where we make the final call.

The spirit and the conscience should never conflict and if they do we shouldn't choose the conscience over the spirit so the spirit always trumps which begs the question of why even speak of the conscience? the objective is to have a voice of spirit unfiltered by our conscience as the voice of the conscience too often betrays us and we don't even know, we just keep following it.
 
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The Spirit and my conscience tells me not to be selfish.

There is life in it. Sadly, I remain in selfishness. A way of life that is hard to break.
In other words, you are normal. There is good news for all who are born again. The Lord Jesus everything that we know we should be but cannot be. If we will let Him live out His life in us and through us, and in place of what we are in ourselves, victory is certain. Too many of us have a secret hope that we will change and God will be able to approve us. That is not going to happen. When we give up on ourselves and allow Jesus full and free reign, the burden comes off us and onto Him. Lord Jesus has no problem living the Christian life!
 
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you bring up an interesting contrast. our conscience tends to be contextually developed. one has a conviction to not eat pork, the other is free to eat it. What actually is happening is that we're conditioned for these convictions from cultural mores at early ages or with lots of repetition and they are less focused on the spirit.

Within a vacuum, it doesn't matter as much because everyone thinks the same way, but outside the vacuum, we risk causing offence or getting offended, the product of both is unlove and disunity as is quite evident in Christians communities over the past 2000 years. in both cases, the spirit is limited because the spirit is forced into a cultural filter where we make the final call.

The spirit and the conscience should never conflict and if they do we shouldn't choose the conscience over the spirit so the spirit always trumps which begs the question of why even speak of the conscience? the objective is to have a voice of spirit unfiltered by our conscience as the voice of the conscience too often betrays us and we don't even know, we just keep following it.
The conscience is, for the born again Christian, a faculty of the spirit. That is why it is so important to be guided by conscience. It warns us when we are stepping out of line. The Christian's conscience becomes progressively more sensitive as he/she gets to know God better. There are many things that I avoid now that did not bother me 20 years ago.
 
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Selfish(ness) is only a problem when we put something above loving/obeying/faithfulness to God. (The same can be said of sensuality, too.) Proper selfishness is given as the basis for how we should treat our neighbor.

Jesus said,
  1. "'And you shall love the Lord your God
    • with all your heart,
    • with all your soul,
    • with all your mind, and
    • with all your strength.'
    This is the first commandment.*
  2. And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as [you love] yourself.’
There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:30-31 NKJV

*Competitive selfishness means loving Him less than with your "all."
 
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The Spirit and my conscience tells me not to be selfish.

There is life in it. Sadly, I remain in selfishness. A way of life that is hard to break.
Ignore the things of the flesh and keep your mind on the things of the Spirit. The flesh is dealt with by pursuing the positive, not by struggling against the negative.
Let the "yes" drive the "no".
 
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The conscience is, for the born again Christian, a faculty of the spirit. That is why it is so important to be guided by conscience. It warns us when we are stepping out of line. The Christian's conscience becomes progressively more sensitive as he/she gets to know God better. There are many things that I avoid now that did not bother me 20 years ago.
a move from x country to y country will eventually result in a shift of cultural values and if the time span is 20 years after that time-space there may still be an identity with x culture but probably more dominantly y culture. Let's say an Aussie Surfer moves to Bali and comes back 20 years later. The Balinese surrounding culture has shaped him over the 20-year time span and he may no longer be able to identify with his home culture, estranged to it and locked in a period long past, and his conscience tells him to go back. is this a conscience led by the spirit or is it led by changes in life? the larger changes having a bigger impact

the fact remains we may do immoral things for long periods of time justifying them because they are a part of social norms. our "conscience" in this case betrays us and we may be inviting counter-gospel values ignorant to them so long as we are never challenged.

this idea of the conscience here seems too undefinable and in the end, it seems to be more about how we perceive the world. How independent is the conscience? it is part of our own faculties and is separate from the spirit but rather than labelling it as this sort of cartoony angel sitting on your shoulder (an Islamic concept) why don't we call it what it is. our conscience is us and our ability/inability to recognize things that are good or bad, apparently an inherited trait from Adam and Eve. It does not act separate from us nor does it draw information outside of our knowledge so I think it is unproductive to speak of the conscience separate from ourselves or as superior or on par to the spirit.
 
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