Why is inappropriate contentography a sin? Who am I hurting? by Fr. Gabriel Wissa

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And do you think your brief rebuttals really amount to a solid defense?
Solid or not... they are arguments that would need to be addressed.

I haven't begun to argue.
Indeed, you have not. Not that I asked you repeatedly to do so.

Don't take it what I've said thus far as a clear instance that I've even begun to argue or than what has thus far transpired in our discussion somehow represents my overall act of arguing my own position. It's not, and I haven't. Rather, I'm just trying to get a feel for how intensively you may be willing to go on this, or if you instead pretty much think your own position is well fortified and impervious to any scrutiny.
Which might perhaps be better if you tried to find out what my position really is instead of going after strawmen and just evading any kind of argument.

However with that said, I'll admit from the get go that as an Existentially inclined Philosophical Hermeneuticist, I think you've essentially already 'won,' and I fully understand that my gripes won't amount to much more than a rooster 's [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]-a-doodle-do to the typical atheist mind. Moreover, I also admit that the overall legal status that a large swath of inappropriate content now has will likely remain legal, whether is it's here, there and wherever. I don't think it's going away until God reaches down in His Sovereignty and wipes the table clean of it.
That isn't an argument against inappropriate content.

And in your estimation, what "IS" inappropriate contentography?
I looked for an online definition, and found this one that I would have presented myself.
"printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement."
So, "inappropriate content" isn't only material filmed with paid actors by "the inappropriate content industry".
inappropriate content is the cell-phone video that a couple made during sex and put online because they wanted to. inappropriate content is the webcam sessions that someone does from the safety of their own bedroom. inappropriate content is the stories written by amateurs and posted on online forums. inappropriate content is the pictures that someone drew of Marge and Homer Simpson having a go at it.
Have you ever heard of "Rule 34"? "If it exists, there is inappropriate content about it."
Heck, there is inappropriate content for "My little Pony"... and I dare say not many will argue that Twilight Sparkle was exploited.

Side issues? Like what?
Like exploitation. Again, exploitation is a part of many other fields and industries. For examples, there is the issue of "sweatshops" where workers, even young children, are subjected to horrible conditions with meager if any pay to manufacture things like shoes.
That is a problem. That is something I would call "immoral".
But somehow this does not mean that "shoes" are now immoral.

Well, far be it from me to misrepresent the underlying thrust of Christianity. If I haven't presented myself in a way that is repugnant and holy enough on this topic, I apologize. I shall surely increase my efforts to do so!

It sounds to me like you're just giving in to the 'cancel culture.'
There's just a limit to my masochistic tendancies that I try not to exceed.
 
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Solid or not... they are arguments that would need to be addressed.


Indeed, you have not. Not that I asked you repeatedly to do so.


Which might perhaps be better if you tried to find out what my position really is instead of going after strawmen and just evading any kind of argument.


That isn't an argument against inappropriate content.


I looked for an online definition, and found this one that I would have presented myself.
"printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement."
So, "inappropriate content" isn't only material filmed with paid actors by "the inappropriate content industry".
inappropriate content is the cell-phone video that a couple made during sex and put online because they wanted to. inappropriate content is the webcam sessions that someone does from the safety of their own bedroom. inappropriate content is the stories written by amateurs and posted on online forums. inappropriate content is the pictures that someone drew of Marge and Homer Simpson having a go at it.
Have you ever heard of "Rule 34"? "If it exists, there is inappropriate content about it."
Heck, there is inappropriate content for "My little Pony"... and I dare say not many will argue that Twilight Sparkle was exploited.


Like exploitation. Again, exploitation is a part of many other fields and industries. For examples, there is the issue of "sweatshops" where workers, even young children, are subjected to horrible conditions with meager if any pay to manufacture things like shoes.
That is a problem. That is something I would call "immoral".
But somehow this does not mean that "shoes" are now immoral.


There's just a limit to my masochistic tendancies that I try not to exceed.

And since I'm not a sadist, I think I shall stop here with this discussion and instead make an invitation to any of those persons who have a conscience and who really would like to research it further, or who would like to actually discuss it and become more aware of just how morally crappy and clearly reprehensible this topic is, to ask me for info. ;)
 
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The first one states that less dietary zinc leads to reduced seminal volume.

The other one shows reduced zinc is correlated with some immuno deficits.

The question I asked was about the 33%. Can you cite that?
 
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The first one states that less dietary zinc leads to reduced seminal volume.

The other one shows reduced zinc is correlated with some immuno deficits.

The question I asked was about the 33%. Can you cite that?
OH WOW I SEE NOW. YES IT SHOULD BE 3.3%.

I was off by an order of magnitude in my calculations... 3.3% per [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

Both studies give you the density of zinc per [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for "normal" men, and men with suspected infertility. You can calculate the percentage of zinc per [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], and then calculate the daily value percentage lost based on source 3. There are about 2 mL - 5 mL of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] released for men.

Usually, people [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] more than once in 24 hours when considering inappropriate contentography, and addiction.
 
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As far as my thoughts on inappropriate content.. my eyes were somewhat opened by watching a Louis Theroux documentary about the inappropriate content industry. Still, I think the problem more lies on the sex negativity of society. I can understand being in the inappropriate content industry can have negative consequences on one's mental health. But perhaps they'd be more mentally healthy if people didn't treat them like dirt and that they were morally beneath them? Still, it depends on the person. I like listening to classic Howard Stern and he's known to interview a inappropriate content star or two, lol. Many of them have mixed reactions. Some have a negative views on the industry and some a positive. My estimation is it depends on how much security or insecurity they have about being in such a profession.

The only secular concern I can think of is that inappropriate content probably does desensitize people. Not the nonsense that inappropriate content produces serial killers, who men like Ted Bundy tried to blame on their horrendous behavior. But I do think inappropriate content, especially the easy access to inappropriate content desensitizes many young men when it comes to sex. I've read that impotency is becoming a problem for younger and younger men. I'm not sure what to do about it. It's also not like just sex is a problem. I think the internet desensitizes people to a great number of things. Probably a problem that can only be successfully addressed with genetic engineering.
 
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I was off by an order of magnitude in my calculations... 3.3% per [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

Both studies give you the density of zinc per [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for "normal" men, and men with suspected infertility. You can calculate the percentage of zinc per [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], and then calculate the daily value percentage lost based on source 3. There are about 2 mL - 5 mL of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] released for men.

Usually, people [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] more than once in 24 hours when considering inappropriate contentography, and addiction.
You’re going beyond the data with your conclusion.
 
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You’re going beyond the data with your conclusion.

No, actually.

That is how you extrapolate the information you want. All the info can be found by reading those three links and a bit of math.

What backing did you have to say inappropriate contentography isn't any more addictive than sex? I showed my data, and I worked very hard to get sources you would accept/cannot refuse - yet you hand wave away the parts you don't want to confront. That makes me believe you aren't serious.
 
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No, actually.

That is how you extrapolate the information you want. All the info can be found by reading those three links and a bit of math.

What backing did you have to say inappropriate contentography isn't any more addictive than sex? I showed my data, and I worked very hard to get sources you would accept/cannot refuse - yet you hand wave away the parts you don't want to confront. That makes me believe you aren't serious.
Your conclusions are not supported by the data (from a study that does not investigate what you seem to think it does).

Here are the findings of the first study.

“The findings suggest that serum testosterone concentrations, seminal volume, and total seminal zinc loss per [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] are sensitive to short-term zinc depletion in young men.”

Now, when I did an MSc in Research Methods we were taught how to use academic research and not to over generalise from the paper’s conclusion.

In this case zinc loss from [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is only an issue from young men on a zinc depleted diet. Nothing about the immune system.

The second study concludes “Count, motility, viability, pH and viscosity are affected by variations of seminal plasma zinc. Seminal plasma Zn-T is the better marker for assessing the relationship between zinc and sperm quality.”

This talking about seminal quality- not immune system.

Now, first [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] of the day typically has three percent of your daily requirement of zinc. So you you would have to be a serious ‘hobbyist’ to even come close to reducing your zinc levels. You lose more from an hour of exercise in sweat.

So. I assert that your conclusions are erroneous, the studies you have presented do not say what you think they do and I hope I’ve spent enough time in this that you feel comfortable that I am taking it seriously.

All the best.
 
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Your conclusions are not supported by the data (from a study that does not investigate what you seem to think it does).

Here are the findings of the first study.

“The findings suggest that serum testosterone concentrations, seminal volume, and total seminal zinc loss per [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] are sensitive to short-term zinc depletion in young men.”

Now, when I did an MSc in Research Methods we were taught how to use academic research and not to over generalise from the paper’s conclusion.

In this case zinc loss from [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is only an issue from young men on a zinc depleted diet. Nothing about the immune system.

The second study concludes “Count, motility, viability, pH and viscosity are affected by variations of seminal plasma zinc. Seminal plasma Zn-T is the better marker for assessing the relationship between zinc and sperm quality.”

This talking about seminal quality- not immune system.

Now, first [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] of the day typically has three percent of your daily requirement of zinc. So you you would have to be a serious ‘hobbyist’ to even come close to reducing your zinc levels. You lose more from an hour of exercise in sweat.

So. I assert that your conclusions are erroneous, the studies you have presented do not say what you think they do and I hope I’ve spent enough time in this that you feel comfortable that I am taking it seriously.

All the best.

My sources take a bit of reading, and a bit of math to ascertain. The study gives you zinc concentration, and you are also told the concentration per [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] in both links. The third link allows you to finalize the conclusion - there was no need to extrapolate the concepts of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and immunity - we were talking pure numbers. I am perfectly fine with you hand-waving those numbers away despite the accessibility, since it says more about you instead of the data. It is the CF way.


But, where are your sources so I can hand-wave them away as easily as you did mine? You haven't provided any that state that inappropriate contentography is not any more addictive than sex.
 
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Now, first [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] of the day typically has three percent of your daily requirement of zinc...

So. I assert that your conclusions are erroneous, the studies you have presented do not say what you think they do and I hope I’ve spent enough time in this that you feel comfortable that I am taking it seriously.

All the best.

I said 3.3% of daily value of zinc is lost... I even corrected myself when you pointed out I made an error of a magnitude higher - why are you being disingenuous?
 
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My sources take a bit of reading, and a bit of math to ascertain. The study gives you zinc concentration, and you are also told the concentration per [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] in both links. The third link allows you to finalize the conclusion - there was no need to extrapolate the concepts of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and immunity - we were talking pure numbers. I am perfectly fine with you hand-waving those numbers away despite the accessibility, since it says more about you instead of the data. It is the CF way.


But, where are your sources so I can hand-wave them away as easily as you did mine? You haven't provided any that state that inappropriate contentography is not any more addictive than sex.
Nothing in anything that you have posted supports your assertion that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] affects the immune system in a negative way.

You may be right, it may be true but your sources do not say that.

I have not hand waved your maths: I’m saying that your maths does not support the assertion that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] has a negative effect on the immune system.

To your second point: there is no evidence to suggest that masturbation is more addictive than sex.

As soon as you present some I shall concede the point: I’m I open to being shown I’m wrong.

What you have done is take the results of some research into a different topic (in this case the loss of zinc in [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]) and arrived at the conclusion that this loss has been shown to impair a person’s immune system.

That is not what the data says and that is why I claim that you have reach a conclusions beyond the data.

Have a good evening.
 
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why are you being disingenuous?
So far you have accused me of hand waving, not being serious and being disingenuous.

I have been nothing but courteous to you.

Good evening.
 
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So far you have accused me of hand waving, not being serious and being disingenuous.

I have been nothing but courteous to you.

Good evening.

No, you have criticized my sources, my methods, and my math (even though you don't actually post any sources).

You have hand waved simple math in text based on your bias. You have given no links to justify what you said about the addictive effect of masturbation compared to sex. I gave links on the amount of zinc loss in [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. Yet, you have authority to dismiss my sources and claim I am speaking nonsense.

You are disingenuous. Your actions show it; i don't have to call you out.

Where is your source to say that masturbation is not as addictive as sex itself?
 
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No, you have criticized my sources, my methods, and my math (even though you don't actually post any sources).

You have hand waved simple math in text based on your bias. You have given no links to justify what you said about the addictive effect of masturbation compared to sex. I gave links on the amount of zinc loss in [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. Yet, you have authority to dismiss my sources and claim I am speaking nonsense.

You are disingenuous. Your actions show it; i don't have to call you out.

Where is your source to say that masturbation is not as addictive as sex itself?
I have not criticised your sources: I have criticised you going beyond what they say.

You maths is accurate but 3% loss in zinc that is replenished with a normal diet has not been demonstrated by your use of the studies to cause immune deficiency.

I have not dismissed your sources I have said your conclusions do not follow from what the researchers have found.

Theses sources may be of interest you.

Stuart Brody. (2010) The Relative Health Benefits of Different Sexual Activities. The Journal of Sexual Medicine 7:4, pages 1336-1361.

Emmanuele A. Jannini, William A. Fisher, Johannes Bitzer, Chris G. McMahon. (2009) Controversies in Sexual Medicine: Is Sex Just Fun? How Sexual Activity Improves Health. The Journal of Sexual Medicine 6:10, pages 2640-2648.

Levin, Roy (2007), Sexual activity, health and well-being – the beneficial roles of coitus and masturbation, Sexual and Relationship Therapy 22:1, pages 135–148

As you can see these provide evidence that masturbation can improve the immune system.

Finally: I did not say that masturbation is less addictive than sex.

You are very rude so I shall stop replying.

Have a good night.
 
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I have not criticised your sources: I have criticised you going beyond what they say.

You maths is accurate but 3% loss in zinc that is replenished with a normal diet has not been demonstrated by your use of the studies to cause immune deficiency.

That is not my argument - about replenishing your diet. In fact, if you look at my posts, I posted the reason why diet won't necessarily help anyway (something others could not handle without dying, apparently).

You and I were dancing with, and around strawmen, because of your earlier dismissal(s).

I have not dismissed your sources I have said your conclusions do not follow from what the researchers have found.

Of course you did, but even if you didn't by that logic you would still be wrong. Read the sources, and then read what my argument was.

Theses sources may be of interest you.

Stuart Brody. (2010) The Relative Health Benefits of Different Sexual Activities. The Journal of Sexual Medicine 7:4, pages 1336-1361.

Emmanuele A. Jannini, William A. Fisher, Johannes Bitzer, Chris G. McMahon. (2009) Controversies in Sexual Medicine: Is Sex Just Fun? How Sexual Activity Improves Health. The Journal of Sexual Medicine 6:10, pages 2640-2648.

Levin, Roy (2007), Sexual activity, health and well-being – the beneficial roles of coitus and masturbation, Sexual and Relationship Therapy 22:1, pages 135–148

As you can see these provide evidence that masturbation can improve the immune system.

I was never arguing immunity; I argued that you lose 3.3% of zinc - and I mentioned as an aside that zinc is important for immunity. I was expecting people to extrapolate the connections between zinc loss, and masturbation.

Are these links proving that masturbation is no more addictive than sex? Because, that is what you said.

Finally: I did not say that masturbation is less addictive than sex.
It’s no more addictive than wanting to have sex.

And no more detrimental to a marriage than spending too much time at the range with the guys.

You are very rude so I shall stop replying.

Have a good night.

Your response is the reason why I would never post my actual work on these forums. I have to spend endless time convincing people I am arguing what I said I was arguing, instead of what they hear. The sources (even if it is pure math) are never good enough, and when I vindicate myself I become the heretic/rude person/colon.

I am not the rude one for defending myself; please feel free to ignore me because you are going on the same list. We wont be stumbling blocks for each other that way.

Cheers.
 
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