First public impeachment hearings will be Next Wednesday

Next Wednesday

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Let's hope Schiff's definition of the term is better than the right-wing pundits', eh?

I bet the guys at c-span are tickled pink. These will be the highest ratings they get since watergate.

Nithavela said:

I bet the guys at c-span are tickled pink. These will be the highest ratings they get since watergate.

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You mean Whitewater? C-SPAN didn't exist until well after Watergate

I remember Watergate. I had a job at the time which required that I travel round and consult on factory floors and in machine shops in a large number of different companies. I didn't miss a minute of the hearings--they were on the radio everywhere, attentively listened to by all hands.

trunks2k said:

You mean Whitewater? C-SPAN didn't exist until well after Watergate

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Yeah, that one.

America will listen in.

Trump is quaking in his shoes as are his fans.

I get an ominous feeling regarding this whole impeachment fiasco. The enemy has succeeded in the extreme polarization of American in nearly every way possible, especially in terms of politics. People take politics WAY too seriously now; it completely rules their lives, and they can't stand nor tolerate the opinions of others who disagree with them. A good amount of posts and new threads on CF now are either for or against Trump, which I think reflects the general mentality of the country. Even a recent, lighthearted thread a friend started about Donald Duck ended up spiraling into a series of attacks against Donald Trump instead.

If we're not careful, this will lead to an eventual civil war in the country. Many Christians have also been receiving warnings from God regarding the start of the push for impeachment. Don't play into the enemies hand. Politics are important, but don't let it rule or control your life.

trunks2k said:

You mean Whitewater? C-SPAN didn't exist until well after Watergate

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Or perhaps Lewinskygate... you know, back when the GOP wasn't so frightened of the word "impeachment."

Anthony7 said:

If we're not careful, this will lead to an eventual civil war in the country. Many Christians have also been receiving warnings from God regarding the start of the push for impeachment. Don't play into the enemies hand. Politics are important, but don't let it rule or control your life.

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What kind of warnings? A civil war would require a sizable segment of the population to be willing to fight for Donald, kill for Donald, and if need be, die for Donald.

Are God's warnings for or against that?

Almost no one is willing to fight, kill, and die for Donald.

Let's not spew gibberish.

TLK Valentine said:

What kind of warnings? A civil war would require a sizable segment of the population to be willing to fight for Donald, kill for Donald, and if need be, die for Donald.

Are God's warnings for or against that?

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God's warnings are mainly pointing out there's more to this push for impeachment than meets the eye, and that it could trigger deeply-rooted tensions / hostilities. It's not just those willing to fight for Donald that's the problem, but also groups wanting to fight, control or silence those who support him. You have extremist groups forming / growing in recent years such as white-suppremacists, ANTIFA, etc., as well as significant attacks taking place off and on across the country. It's almost like there's this idea many have that we are one step away from perfect utopia, and Donald Trump / the Right is the only one standing in the way of that. Thus, it seems like there's this intense need to get rid of him. Or the opposite: that the Left are a serious threat to the country and need to be stopped by any means, even unconventional.

I've also noticed a growing lack of empathy and tolerance in society overall, as well as increasing hostility for others who hold opposing beliefs. Just like when there were reports of Trump's motorcade getting into an accident, and countless people on Twitter (even many I follow) were celebrating hoping he was seriously injured or worse.

If you're against him that's fine, and if you support him that's fine. But, if we ever get to the point where we no longer listen to sound reasoning, and if we feel the need to destroy those we don't agree with, that's when things get dangerous. No matter what happens with these impeachment hearings and the elections next year, God is still sovereign and completely in control. All I'm saying is to be careful not to let politics turn us into something we're not.

Anthony7 said:

If we're not careful, this will lead to an eventual civil war in the country.

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If the alternative is to let the rule of law die, well, seems like a reasonable risk to take.

JohnAshton said:

Almost no one is willing to fight, kill, and die for Donald.

Let's not spew gibberish.

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I'm sure some posters on this forum. Would be willing to lie, throw innocent people under the bus, fight, kill and die for Trump.

Anthony7 said:

God's warnings are mainly pointing out there's more to this push for impeachment than meets the eye, and that it could trigger deeply-rooted tensions / hostilities. It's not just those willing to fight for Donald that's the problem, but also groups wanting to fight, control or silence those who support him. You have extremist groups forming / growing in recent years such as white-suppremacists, ANTIFA, etc., as well as significant attacks taking place off and on across the country. It's almost like there's this idea many have that we are one step away from perfect utopia, and Donald Trump / the Right is the only one standing in the way of that. Thus, it seems like there's this intense need to get rid of him. Or the opposite: that the Left are a serious threat to the country and need to be stopped by any means, even unconventional.

I've also noticed a growing lack of empathy and tolerance in society overall, as well as increasing hostility for others who hold opposing beliefs. Just like when there were reports of Trump's motorcade getting into an accident, and countless people on Twitter (even many I follow) were celebrating hoping he was seriously injured or worse.

If you're against him that's fine, and if you support him that's fine. But, if we ever get to the point where we no longer listen to sound reasoning, and if we feel the need to destroy those we don't agree with, that's when things get dangerous. No matter what happens with these impeachment hearings and the elections next year, God is still sovereign and completely in control. All I'm saying is to be careful not to let politics turn us into something we're not.

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I first wanted to comment on the bolded. I've never heard the idea even entertained that "we are one step away from utopia and Trump/the Right is the only one standing in the way". Those I know on the left (and they are many), know that there are significant flaws in our system and obstacles to overcome, but Trump's actions have made him a greater threat than those we faced prior to him taking office. If we can remove Trump from power (and I don't think he will step down willingly, regardless if he is voted out (he will claim the elections were rigged) or impeached (he will claim the impeachment was fake/rigged), then we have a lot of work ahead of us, with two of the big issues being health care and environmental/climate change. While those 2 may be the most prevalent, the list is long, and i'm not aware of any who think the path is easy/clear, even if we removed the right from the equation (nor do I think there are any that think we will "remove the right from the equation").

As far as Trump himself goes, I've made my disdain for him quite clear. His lies are many, and of them a substantial amount are such poorly constructed lies that showing them to be false isn't complicated. Yet, when confronted with those lies, his followers inevitably either dismiss them (i.e. they're trivial lies), ignore them (literally, just change the topic), or try to show that Democrats are worse (and I've yet to see their arguments hold up to any scrutiny). I'm not a Democrat, but in this current era I've been pushed into a de facto position of supporting Democrats as the alternative is so clearly worse.

The right/left split has been going on for years, and had been steadily increasing in intensity over the last decade. While I think there are plenty of ideas on the left that are misguided, the right seems to have abandoned any grounding in facts, and literally dismiss facts that run counter to their narrative. I don't see a clear path forward to resolve this divide, regardless of whether Trump is impeached or not.

JohnAshton said:

Almost no one is willing to fight, kill, and die for Donald.

Let's not spew gibberish.

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If we give up the gibberish, we'll have to defend Donald on the facts and on his own merits...

Shall we continue the gibberish, or break out the guillotine now?

Anthony7 said:

God's warnings are mainly pointing out there's more to this push for impeachment than meets the eye, and that it could trigger deeply-rooted tensions / hostilities.

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Well, of course there's more than meets the eye... that's why we begin with an inquiry... to see if we can touch the bottom of this swamp...

It's not just those willing to fight for Donald that's the problem, but also groups wanting to fight, control or silence those who support him. You have extremist groups forming / growing in recent years such as white-suppremacists, ANTIFA, etc., as well as significant attacks taking place off and on across the country.

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We've had white Supremacists in this country for a long time... Antifa is relatively new.

It's almost like there's this idea many have that we are one step away from perfect utopia, and Donald Trump / the Right is the only one standing in the way of that. Thus, it seems like there's this intense need to get rid of him. Or the opposite: that the Left are a serious threat to the country and need to be stopped by any means, even unconventional.

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On the subject of the latter, Donald himself claimed that our nation is in great peril, and that only he could save it (that's a direct quote from his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention... look it up)

Biblically speaking, I do believe that the Old Testament term for such a person is... "Messiah."

I've also noticed a growing lack of empathy and tolerance in society overall, as well as increasing hostility for others who hold opposing beliefs. Just like when there were reports of Trump's motorcade getting into an accident, and countless people on Twitter (even many I follow) were celebrating hoping he was seriously injured or worse.

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I don't recall any such reports, but I'll take your word for it.

On the flip side, I do recall Donald asking his followers to assault protesters, promising to personally pay their legal fees.... you can look that up as well.

If you're against him that's fine, and if you support him that's fine. But, if we ever get to the point where we no longer listen to sound reasoning, and if we feel the need to destroy those we don't agree with, that's when things get dangerous. No matter what happens with these impeachment hearings and the elections next year, God is still sovereign and completely in control. All I'm saying is to be careful not to let politics turn us into something we're not.

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Perhaps this is who we are? Zealous advocates.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

I'm sure some posters on this forum. Would be willing to lie, throw innocent people under the bus, fight, kill and die for Trump.

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That's making a lot of assumptions about the pro-Donald posts here. Including their national origin. Given the news out there, I'm not assuming they're coming from US sources.

Americans will not tolerate much less support any Americans wanting to go to war for Donald.

Yelling and screaming are forms of opposition but lifting weapons something entirely different.

Almost no one would lift a weapon in rebellion, but so many Americans would smash any who attempted to do so.

Those Americans know it, even if their non-American 'allies' don't know it.

TLK Valentine said:

What kind of warnings? A civil war would require a sizable segment of the population to be willing to fight for Donald, kill for Donald, and if need be, die for Donald.

Are God's warnings for or against that?

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I also remember that Senator Sam Ervin used to open each day's session of the Watergate hearings with a reading of Galatians 6:7.

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”