Futurist Only The ten horns on the Revelation 13 first beast

Douggg · Oct 30, 2019

In Revelation 13, the first beast has 7 heads and ten horns. In Daniel 7, the fourth beast in that vision, a kingdom, had 10 horns and a little horn. Totaling eleven.

So, since we don't have photo, only a verbal description of the Revelation 13 first beast, where are the horns located and what is the significance?

The horns are all on one head (the heads are said to represent 7 kings, five fallen, one is at the time of John, one future who must remain a short time.). The one head is king 7.

That one head having the ten horns is the little horn person, the forthcoming king 7, who will be killed and brought back to life as king 8 - and is called the beast at that point.

Revelation 13, the little horn person +the ten (horns) kings = the eleven horns of Daniel 7.

What to take away from this analysis is there are not a dispersion of the horns on all or partial of the 7 heads. The ten horns are just on one head.

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The other issue is the Revelation 13 beast has a mouth like a lion. So where is the mouth?

It is on the 7th head, that will be mortally wounded and comes back to life.

Douggg · Oct 30, 2019

tranquil · Nov 6, 2019

Douggg said:
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Since you seem to like charts, here are a few for you.

All of the dates are an unbroken chain from the founding of Israel combined with fixed dates references, eg 24 Kislev is when the 2 witnesses receive power (7th Bowl of wrath & at the start of the 2 witnesses 1260 days), the 'days of Noah' (17 Iyar to 17 Tishri), and Dan 9's reference to 70 years & the 77 years (70 shabua (where shabua = 7 years) (aka '77 years') to anoint the 'most holy' (we are already in the '70th week).

I think the biggest hurdle is to understand that the end times are a process, a process of sifting wheat from tares. At the foundation of this is understanding that there is no 'whisked away' rapture; people are gathered. In the 1st phase, during the 6th Seal through the end of the 6th Trumpet, there will be the beast faction forming around the abomination (this 1st one is not the 'living image' from the false prophet: the false prophet does not arrive until after the beast is dead, more in a second). Christians are gathered but they are also mixed with some tares. These anti-beast tares are the 'earth'. The 'earth' tares are separated out from Christians at the 7th Trumpet when Mystery Babylon is destroyed.

Going back to the false prophet arriving after the beast is dead: This passage from Deut 12 illustrates this:

1“These are the statutes and rules that you shall be careful to do in the land that the Lord, the God of your fathers, has given you to possess, all the days that you live on the earth. 2 You shall surely destroy all the places where the nations whom you shall dispossess served their gods, on the high mountains and on the hills and under every green tree. 3You shall tear down their altars and dash in pieces their pillars and burn their Asherim with fire. You shall chop down the carved images of their gods and destroy their name out of that place. 4You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way. 5But you shall seek the place that the Lord your God will choose out of all your tribes to put his name and make his habitation there. There you shall go, 6and there you shall bring your burnt offerings and your sacrifices, your tithes and the contribution that you present, your vow offerings, your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herd and of your flock. 7And there you shall eat before the Lord your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your households, in all that you undertake, in which the Lord your God has blessed you.

29“When the Lord your God cuts off before you the nations whom you go in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, 30take care that you be not ensnared to follow them, after they have been destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire about their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods?—that I also may do the same.’ 31You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the Lord hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods.

The beast has done 'every abominable thing' (during its 1335 days). Then, God gives the land of the beast to Christians to possess. They go into the land, but they are betrayed by one of their own. This traitor, the false prophet, goes and encourages the worship of the abomination of the beast that has just died (but it gets a mortal head wound and resurrects). People of the earth trusted the False Prophet because he was against the beast for so long. Of course there will be some sort of justification for it... The False prophet will be anointing the resurrected beast kingdom as the 'holy place'/ aka kingdom of heaven at the 77th year anniversary. (so really, there are 2 abomination of desolation events: when the beast does it at the start of the 1335 days & when the false prophet does it at the end of 1335 days + 266 days (9 months of Rev 12) to falsely create the 'kingdom of heaven' at the 7th Trumpet/ 77th anniversary.

In this manner, the beast kingdom will be imitating 'I will make the synagogue of Satan worship at your feet': they will be subservient to the beast from the earth kingdom/ the harlot of Babylon.

Again, the beast kingdom has just died at the end of the 1335 days. Now there is a 'season and a time' (70 weeks) to finish the transgression. Christians & tares (the earth that is pro- woman/ Israel) both are against the Nazi like beast kingdom (which themselves might look like tares/ wheat). They are taking control of the land & both are expecting the kingdom of heaven to start soon... 9 months later it happens, but the beast from the sea & earth kingdoms come up and try to be the kingdom of heaven.

tranquil · Nov 7, 2019

Here is a simple question about your chart.

You say that the 'antichrist' is the 7th head & 8th head because the 'beast that was, is not, yet is' from Revelation 17:8 is an allusion to Revelation 1:8. On the one hand, I agree that it is, but on the other, the simplest understanding is that there are still '8' different people in view. So, I think that it is meaning both the 'antichrist' (7 & 8) and also the false prophet (8).

But you say that only the 8th head is the 'beast'. Why is only the 8th head 'the beast', when it clearly says that the 7th head is a beast also? (if we go with the understanding that the 'beast' was the 7th head, then rises up as a beast in the 8th head)

8The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.

I understand why you do this, to your understanding there is only 1 abomination. And what would the criteria be for defining the 7th head. The middle of 7 years supposedly defines the 7th head becoming the 8th head 'beast', but the 7th head is a beast.

On your chart, when the 'antichrist is anointed the king of Israel', wouldn't this qualify as an abomination even moreso than becoming the 'king of Rome'?

Douggg · Nov 8, 2019

tranquil said:
You say that the 'antichrist' is the 7th head & 8th head because the 'beast that was, is not, yet is' from Revelation 17:8 is an allusion to Revelation 1:8.

No, I don't say there are 8 heads. There are only 7 heads. But 8 kings, as king 7 (the 7th head) will become the 8th king.

6 of the heads are historic to us, so forget about those. We only need to focus on the 7th head, the one who is to come.

tranquil said:
But you say that only the 8th head is the 'beast'.

No, I don't say 8th head. There is no 8th head. There are only 7 heads. The 7th king (the 7th head) becomes the 8th king. The 7th king does not become another head.

Tranquil, you are getting confused, there are no 8 heads.

7th head = the little horn person (7th king), who later after he is killed and comes back to life is the beast (8th king).

tranquil · Nov 9, 2019

Douggg said:
No, I don't say there are 8 heads. There are only 7 heads. But 8 kings, as king 7 (the 7th head) will become the 8th king.

6 of the heads are historic to us, so forget about those. We only need to focus on the 7th head, the one who is to come.

No, I don't say 8th head. There is no 8th head. There are only 7 heads. The 7th king (the 7th head) becomes the 8th king. The 7th king does not become another head.

Tranquil, you are getting confused, there are no 8 heads.

7th head = the little horn person (7th king), who later after he is killed and comes back to life is the beast (8th king).

Rev 17:11
As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.

The 7th head has 10 horns. The 10 horns produce the 11th horn, who is the 8th head.

Dan 7

7After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, terrifying and dreadful and exceedingly strong. It had great iron teeth; it devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots. And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Why would the 10 horns bring the 7th head to power when the 7th head already rules them?

Douggg · Nov 9, 2019

tranquil said:
Rev 17:11
As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.

The 7th head has 10 horns. The 10 horns produce the 11th horn, who is the 8th head.

Eighth king, not eighth head, tranquil.

The 7th head (the little horn person) + the ten horns on it's head = the eleven horns of Daniel 7.

tranquil said:
Why would the 10 horns bring the 7th head to power when the 7th head already rules them?

It doesn't say how the person comes to be the leader over the ten kings in Daniel 7.

But in the current EU executive branch, the EU commission, the president is by mutual agreement of the member states, who suggest a number of candidates which they select one from. The president of the EU commission, the best comparison I can think of it is like the NFL commissioner who is selected by the team owners.

The member states' selected person is then voted on for approval by the EU parliament. It is sort of a democratic process.

That will be how the person comes to power in the current system, imo.

He is the little horn at that stage, 7th king of a series of family kings of the Roman Empire. The EU is the embodiment of the Roman Empire in the end times.

So the person, is over the ten kings, but not in a dictatorial role, as the little horn.

Years later, when he becomes the beast, the 8th king, those ten member state leaders who agreed him to be the president of the EU commission, ditch all that formality, and agree to him being dictator over the EU. Giving their kingdom, the EU, over to him.

Marilyn C · Nov 9, 2019

Douggg said:
Eighth king, not eighth head, tranquil.

The 7th head (the little horn person) + the ten horns on it's head = the eleven horns of Daniel 7.

It doesn't say how the person comes to be the leader over the ten kings in Daniel 7.

But in the current EU executive branch, the EU commission, the president is by mutual agreement of the member states, who suggest a number of candidates which they select one from. The president of the EU commission, the best comparison I can think of it is like the NFL commissioner who is selected by the team owners.

The member states' selected person is then voted on for approval by the EU parliament. It is sort of a democratic process.

That will be how the person comes to power in the current system, imo.

He is the little horn at that stage, 7th king of a series of family kings of the Roman Empire. The EU is the embodiment of the Roman Empire in the end times.

So the person, is over the ten kings, but not in a dictatorial role, as the little horn.

Years later, when he becomes the beast, the 8th king, those ten member state leaders who agreed him to be the president of the EU commission, ditch all that formality, and agree to him being dictator over the EU. Giving their kingdom, the EU, over to him.

Hi Douggg

We need to remember that God has dealt with the Roman Empire and does NOT revive that rulership. The EU will never be the terrifying beastly kingdom. They do not even like to go to war. No, it is Islam who is the fourth beastly kingdom and we can very well see that arising. It is the divided kingdom as God`s word says, divided by the Shia & Sunni groups.

When God brings the Russian Federation down to the mountains of Israel and deals with them there, Iran (Plus Libya & Ethiopia) who also go, will get their armies annihilated. Thus the Shia group will be greatly diminished & the Sunni will rise.

Did you know that the Prince of Saudi Arabia will be the next President of the G20. This is next year and you can imagine the exuberance of the Islamic world at being in such a position over the world. He is not the anti-Christ but a relation of his fits the bill precisely.

Marilyn.

Douggg · Nov 10, 2019

Marilyn C said:
We need to remember that God has dealt with the Roman Empire and does NOT revive that rulership. The EU will never be the terrifying beastly kingdom

Hi Marilyn, I would not use the word "revive" the Roman Empire, because the wounded and healed head is a person not a kingdom.

Regarding the EU being the terrifying beast, there have been two world wars because of the nations in Europe. And no world wars apart from them. They are working on their own EU army.

The Muslim countries cannot stand up to the west militarily.

Marilyn C said:
When God brings the Russian Federation down to the mountains of Israel and deals with them there, Iran (Plus Libya & Ethiopia) who also go, will get their armies annihilated. Thus the Shia group will be greatly diminished & the Sunni will rise.

Did you know that the Prince of Saudi Arabia will be the next President of the G20. This is next year and you can imagine the exuberance of the Islamic world at being in such a position over the world. He is not the anti-Christ but a relation of his fits the bill precisely.

I know you expect a muslim Antichrist. But no muslim fits the bill. Because the Antichrist has to become the King of Israel, for a while. On top of that, the Sunni's muslims don't have the militarily strength to impose its will on the rest of the world, to dictate the buy/sell law for example.

I would not disagree with you on the evil and threat of Islam, however. And Islam is a major factor in bible prophecy regarding Gog/Magog. Can we find that much at least as points of mutual agreement?

Marilyn C · Nov 11, 2019

Douggg said:
Hi Marilyn, I would not use the word "revive" the Roman Empire, because the wounded and healed head is a person not a kingdom.

Regarding the EU being the terrifying beast, there have been two world wars because of the nations in Europe. And no world wars apart from them. They are working on their own EU army.

The Muslim countries cannot stand up to the west militarily.

I know you expect a muslim Antichrist. But no muslim fits the bill. Because the Antichrist has to become the King of Israel, for a while. On top of that, the Sunni's muslims don't have the militarily strength to impose its will on the rest of the world, to dictate the buy/sell law for example.

I would not disagree with you on the evil and threat of Islam, however. And Islam is a major factor in bible prophecy regarding Gog/Magog. Can we find that much at least as points of mutual agreement?

Hi Douggg,

Always good to discuss with you peaceably. Actually there is a Moslem that does fit the bill but first I have some questions for you. In 2019 do we see -

1. The EU as a terrifying beastly nation?
2. Does the EU have 10 kings?
3. Does the EU control the other nations of the world, Politically? Economically?

BTW It is Iran`s (Shia) army that gets wiped out in the Russian war. (Ez. 38: 5) Not all of Islam.

Marilyn

Douggg · Nov 11, 2019

Marilyn C said:
1. The EU as a terrifying beastly nation?
2. Does the EU have 10 kings?
3. Does the EU control the other nations of the world, Politically? Economically?

1. Apparently brexit indicates dissatisfaction of three nations - the Great Britain - with being in the EU.
2. A lot more than 10 in the Council of the EU. But 10 of those could back the little horn person as the president of the EU Commission. It takes some getting used to their terms, i.e. EU Commission, Council of the EU.
3. Well pick up any item in your house and see if it has a "CE" on the bottom of it, or label tag. CE marking - Wikipedia

Marilyn C · Nov 11, 2019

Douggg said:
1. Apparently brexit indicates dissatisfaction of three nations - the Great Britain - with being in the EU.
2. A lot more than 10 in the Council of the EU. But 10 of those could back the little horn person as the president of the EU Commission. It takes some getting used to their terms, i.e. EU Commission, Council of the EU.
3. Well pick up any item in your house and see if it has a "CE" on the bottom of it, or label tag. CE marking - Wikipedia

1. Brexit shows that Britain wants to keep its sovereignty. When they leave then the EU will appoint its President. But you have not shown that the EU is terrifying and treading down the other Federations.

2. 28 countries in the EU. And they have voted in the treaty of Lisbon for a President over the EU.

3. Thanks for that `gem.` It really shows that the False Prophet will come from the EU as they have increasingly great economic control over the world. Remember that it is the False Prophet who controls who can `buy & sell.` He is a False Prophet to the world, declaring false declarations of what is to come - `Peace and Safety,` if we come together.....

Now...what about this Islamic Messiah.....

Marilyn.

Douggg · Nov 11, 2019

Marilyn C said:
1. Brexit shows that Britain wants to keep its sovereignty. When they leave then the EU will appoint its President. But you have not shown that the EU is terrifying and treading down the other Federations.

We are not there yet as far as the EU exerting dominance over the rest of the world. I think we need to see some more developments. Let's see what happens with brexit, imo, as developmental.

Marilyn C said:
3. Thanks for that `gem.` It really shows that the False Prophet will come from the EU as they have increasingly great economic control over the world. Remember that it is the False Prophet who controls who can `buy & sell.` He is a False Prophet to the world, declaring false declarations of what is to come - `Peace and Safety,` if we come together.....

I am thinking the false prophet comes out of Israel. A piece of information, Israel in its united independent kingdom form, has only had three kings. Saul and David, anointed by Samuel. And Solomon, anointed by Nathan. Two prophets.

The Jews (Judaism) believe that the messiah must be anointed the King of Israel, similarly, by a known prophet. They also believe in the appearing of Elijah at the same time. Which, it appears to me that the false prophet will claim to be Elijah, reincarnated. Judaism believes in reincarnation - in some instances, I have been told by the Jews themselves at the Messiah Truth countermissionary site.

Douggg · Nov 11, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Now...what about this Islamic Messiah.....

Marilyn, I am assuming you are referring to the muslim belief in islam what they call a Mahdi figure.

This is a copy and paste....

"All Muslims, Shia or Sunni, believe in Imam Mahdi. They both believe that his name is al- Mahdi and he is from one of the descendants of the Prophet and will arise at the end of time finally, but Sunnis believe that he has not been born yet."

The problem is relying on Muslim tradition and their prophecies as having any correspondence to biblical prophecies figures - is that everything coming out of Islam is all made up lies, some held more closely by muslims than others, copy-cating from real prophecies in the bible, like their version of the Antichrist is the Dajjal. Which their prophecies about that person are pure fantasy, like riding a giant white mule across the middleeast at incredible speed. No correspondence to the bible.

I think Islam and it's fabricate of beliefs are all going to go up in smoke with the results of Gog/Magog. Sunni and Shia.

grafted branch · Nov 12, 2019

tranquil said:
Since you seem to like charts, here are a few for you.

All of the dates are an unbroken chain from the founding of Israel combined with fixed dates references, eg 24 Kislev is when the 2 witnesses receive power (7th Bowl of wrath & at the start of the 2 witnesses 1260 days), the 'days of Noah' (17 Iyar to 17 Tishri), and Dan 9's reference to 70 years & the 77 years (70 shabua (where shabua = 7 years) (aka '77 years') to anoint the 'most holy' (we are already in the '70th week).

I think the biggest hurdle is to understand that the end times are a process, a process of sifting wheat from tares. At the foundation of this is understanding that there is no 'whisked away' rapture; people are gathered. In the 1st phase, during the 6th Seal through the end of the 6th Trumpet, there will be the beast faction forming around the abomination (this 1st one is not the 'living image' from the false prophet: the false prophet does not arrive until after the beast is dead, more in a second). Christians are gathered but they are also mixed with some tares. These anti-beast tares are the 'earth'. The 'earth' tares are separated out from Christians at the 7th Trumpet when Mystery Babylon is destroyed.

Going back to the false prophet arriving after the beast is dead: This passage from Deut 12 illustrates this:

1“These are the statutes and rules that you shall be careful to do in the land that the Lord, the God of your fathers, has given you to possess, all the days that you live on the earth. 2 You shall surely destroy all the places where the nations whom you shall dispossess served their gods, on the high mountains and on the hills and under every green tree. 3You shall tear down their altars and dash in pieces their pillars and burn their Asherim with fire. You shall chop down the carved images of their gods and destroy their name out of that place. 4You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way. 5But you shall seek the place that the Lord your God will choose out of all your tribes to put his name and make his habitation there. There you shall go, 6and there you shall bring your burnt offerings and your sacrifices, your tithes and the contribution that you present, your vow offerings, your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herd and of your flock. 7And there you shall eat before the Lord your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your households, in all that you undertake, in which the Lord your God has blessed you.

29“When the Lord your God cuts off before you the nations whom you go in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, 30take care that you be not ensnared to follow them, after they have been destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire about their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods?—that I also may do the same.’ 31You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the Lord hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods.

The beast has done 'every abominable thing' (during its 1335 days). Then, God gives the land of the beast to Christians to possess. They go into the land, but they are betrayed by one of their own. This traitor, the false prophet, goes and encourages the worship of the abomination of the beast that has just died (but it gets a mortal head wound and resurrects). People of the earth trusted the False Prophet because he was against the beast for so long. Of course there will be some sort of justification for it... The False prophet will be anointing the resurrected beast kingdom as the 'holy place'/ aka kingdom of heaven at the 77th year anniversary. (so really, there are 2 abomination of desolation events: when the beast does it at the start of the 1335 days & when the false prophet does it at the end of 1335 days + 266 days (9 months of Rev 12) to falsely create the 'kingdom of heaven' at the 7th Trumpet/ 77th anniversary.

In this manner, the beast kingdom will be imitating 'I will make the synagogue of Satan worship at your feet': they will be subservient to the beast from the earth kingdom/ the harlot of Babylon.

Again, the beast kingdom has just died at the end of the 1335 days. Now there is a 'season and a time' (70 weeks) to finish the transgression. Christians & tares (the earth that is pro- woman/ Israel) both are against the Nazi like beast kingdom (which themselves might look like tares/ wheat). They are taking control of the land & both are expecting the kingdom of heaven to start soon... 9 months later it happens, but the beast from the sea & earth kingdoms come up and try to be the kingdom of heaven.
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Hi tranquil,

I’m not a futurist and realize this post is for futurists only. I would like to get an opinion only and not debate your view, so hopefully this question is ok.

Your chart shows an imposter 2 witnesses, which are called Mystery Babylon and False Prophet. I have long thought that the 2nd beast with 2 horns in Revelation 13 could be an imposter of the 2 witnesses and this would be how the beast could deceive many people. My question is do you think the 2 horns represent 2 separate people? And could this also be the imposter of the 2 witnesses?

Also since this post has to do with the horns, if anyone else has a different view of the 2 horns in Revelation 13:11 could you share that view?

tranquil · Nov 12, 2019

grafted branch said:
Hi tranquil,

I’m not a futurist and realize this post is for futurists only. I would like to get an opinion only and not debate your view, so hopefully this question is ok.

Your chart shows an imposter 2 witnesses, which are called Mystery Babylon and False Prophet. I have long thought that the 2nd beast with 2 horns in Revelation 13 could be an imposter of the 2 witnesses and this would be how the beast could deceive many people. My question is do you think the 2 horns represent 2 separate people? And could this also be the imposter of the 2 witnesses?

Also since this post has to do with the horns, if anyone else has a different view of the 2 horns in Revelation 13:11 could you share that view?

Hi Grafted,
to answer your 1st question quickly: I don't think so (maybe?). I think of it more as 2 houses (apostate Israel & apostate Judah). Maybe apostate Catholicism & apostate Orthodox Christianity?

As to the 2nd question, yes, I think the False Prophet will be imitating one of the 2 witnesses - because there are 2 sets of wrath: the 7 Trumpets & the 7 bowls of wrath. So, because of Leviticus 26:18, there are 2 times that people fall into 'wrath', separated by at least 1260 days (imo, 1605 days to be exact -roughly 1 year of vengeance + 1260 days)

Because there is this separation through time of the 2 times to fall into wrath, it stands to reason that the 2nd time is because a segment of the population was previously correct, but not for the right reasons. It seems logical to me that this is what is happening with the False Prophet during the beast from the sea's 1st phase (the 'beast that was').

What I try to emphasize about things is that prophecy is deliberately ambiguous. If you have been on this board for a while, you will see the same arguments over & over and that is because scripture never specified an answer - on purpose. (except for the whisked away rapture idea which I think is pretty clear cut that there is no such thing, per John 17:15). Prophecy will facilitate the separation of wheat & tares via its being ambiguous.

Contextually, imo, the 2 witnesses are new Zerubabbel and new Joshua. (Because these are the 2 anointed ones associated with 24 Kislev, which when you add 1260 + 3.5 days (Revelation 11:11), you get to the start of 17 Iyyar which is the start of the 'days of Noah' which run from 17 Iyyar to 17 Tishri (Genesis 7 & 8) (Matthew 24:37-39) (& the start of the 7th Trumpet & kingdom of heaven).

Joshua is the same name in Hebrew as 'Jesus' which is just a Westernization of Joshua/ Yeshua.

Jews are expecting 'Joshua'/ 'Yeshua' / 'Jesus' to build the 'temple'. When you combine Daniel 9's anointed one & 'Zerubabbel' being 'chosen' on 24 Kislev in Haggai 2:23, it is clear that the high priest 'Joshua' is anointing 'Zerubabbel'. And these 2 are the 2 witnesses.

So, the question is:
is the 'Joshua' that the Jews are expecting the fake "Jesus"?
(meaning is this 'Joshua' really Jesus? Is Jesus one of the 2 witnesses? Or is this 'Joshua' the 2nd coming of Jesus, a new Jesus?
Clearly, the 2 witnesses are good, but you can see that there is a different power dynamic between them, with a religious & political component.

This is reflected in how the dragon gives power & authority to the Rev 13 beast from the sea, which is similar to Joshua anointing Zerubabbel. In fact, it could be more like Elijah anointing Joshua anointing Zerubabbel. Not sure.

Marilyn C · Nov 12, 2019

Hi Douggg,

Thank you for your thoughts. However we need scriptural proof. Can you supply that? (re: the False Prophet & the A/C being Jewish)

Marilyn C · Nov 12, 2019

Douggg said:
Marilyn, I am assuming you are referring to the muslim belief in islam what they call a Mahdi figure.

I think Islam and it's fabricate of beliefs are all going to go up in smoke with the results of Gog/Magog. Sunni and Shia.

Hi Douggg,

I don`t rely on any Islamic nonsense. I only refer to God`s word when stating that the scripture show that there will be an Islamic leader to not only rule the Moslems but also the World.

And scripture never states that the Sunni go with the Russian Federation, only the Iranians, (Shia) (plus Libya and Ethiopia, Ez. 38: 5)

Marilyn.

Douggg · Nov 12, 2019

Marilyn C said:
And scripture never states that the Sunni go with the Russian Federation, only the Iranians, (Shia) (plus Libya and Ethiopia, Ez. 38: 5)

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn,

Here are a couple of maps I copied and pasted. The muslim nations of Ezekiel 38. And the Sunni nations. Isn't Turkey mostly Sunni? Egypt does not appear to be one of the invading nations.

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Marilyn C · Nov 13, 2019

Douggg said:
Hi Marilyn,

Here are a couple of maps I copied and pasted. The muslim nations of Ezekiel 38. And the Sunni nations. Isn't Turkey mostly Sunni? Egypt does not appear to be one of the invading nations.

Hi Dougg,

Thank you for going into detail. However I do not see any scriptures to back up your claim there. Can you please provide them? ie. the nations in the Ezekiel war.

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Pre-tribulation.

Pre-tribulation.

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Pre-tribulation.

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