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4:30 is the very BEST verse in the whole Bible to teach loss of salvation, if that were true. But it does NO SUCH THING. In fact, just the opposite. Instead of saying that those faithful saints who THEN grieve the Spirit will be UNSEALED or lose salvation, or any such wording, Paul says they are SEALED FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION.v.30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.”
Ephesians 4:21-32 NASB
Not exactly words of condemnation, don'tcha think?
Key word being, 'redemption'. Not condemnation.Once a person receives the Holy Spirit they will always have conviction of sin. Now they can choose to disregard and overlook that conviction but it will always be present until the day of redemption.
It does too. The believer is sealed FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION. How else can you twist these words to mean condemnation???At no time does a person lose the Holy Spirit but that doesn’t mean that they can’t lose salvation.
In fact, Paul made that clear in 2 Tim 2:12,13
12 if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we deny him, he will also deny us;
13 if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny himself.
v.12: believers who endure will reign with Him. This is a specific promise of an eternal reward of sharing in His glory (Rom 8:17b).
The opposite is true; believers who don't endure (deny Him) will be denied the reward of reigning with Him.
v.13: even if believers are faithless, God remains faithful. Why? Because "He CANNOT DENY HIMSELF".
This specifically refers to the fact that those who have been sealed with the Holy Spirit are God's possession (Eph 1:14) and God cannot deny the Holy Spirit (Himself).
5:5 is a parallel comment found also in 1 Cor 6 and Gal 5. But, whereas 1 Cor 6 and Gal 5 use the phrase "not inherit the kingdom", Eph 5:5 says "have no inheritance IN the kingdom".Now pay attention to what Paul says as he continues this message in chapter 5. Notice the very first word in chapter 5 is “Therefore” which indicates that he is adding onto what he has previously said at the end of chapter 4.
“Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma. But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.”
Ephesians 5:1-6 NASB
Otherwise, all 3 passages are parallel. That means to "not inherit the kingdom" is synonymous with "no inheritance IN the kingdom".
I have capitalized the word "in" in Eph 5:5 to emphasize what Paul was saying. He sure wasn't saying "won't get IN the kingdom" but have "no inheritance in the kingdom".
Therefore, some (maybe many of them) believers will be IN the kingdom, but just won't have any inheritance IN the kingdom. Or, they "will not inherit the kingdom".
Nonsense. Jesus couldn't have been more clear. Those He gives eternal life, which is at the MOMENT one believes (John 5;24 6:47, 1 Jn 5:11, 13), SHALL NEVER PERISH (John 10:28).Throughout the Bible you will see examples over and over that willful indulgence in sin is not tolerated and the words “anyone or any man” who indulge in sin will not receive salvation.
This is true, but it doesn't lead to loss of salvation. Because John 10:28 doesn't allow that bit of opinion.These indicate that believers are not excluded from the consequences of willfully indulging in sin.
The consequences of willful sin is found as a summary statement in 1 Cor 11:30 - That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep (euphemism for physical death).
Along with this, consider Heb 12:11 - No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
So, for such believers, they will face a painful weakness, leading to painful sickness, leading to a painful physical death.
And we have verses that actually say that believers can suffer a painful death.
1 Cor 5:5 - hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
Do you think that the "destruction of the flesh" at the hands of Satan is going to be a picnic? Something to sneeze at?
I've had arrogant Arminians (believe in OSNAS) respond to God's divine discipline as merely a 'hand slap', which is delusional.
Or 1 Tim 1:20 - Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.
Again, does this sound like some kind of pleasant picnic, with Satan having charge over the believer for the purpose of teaching him not to blaspheme???
That's right. They will have no inheritance IN the kingdom. But that doesn't mean or say they won't be IN the kingdom.When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21
This proves what Jesus said in John 10:28. Recipients of eternal life shall never perish.Nothing evil will be allowed to enter, nor anyone who practices shameful idolatry and dishonesty—but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.
Revelation 21:27
Did you notice that the first 2 words in this list are synonymous? To be a coward is to be without faith. Same as to be an unbeliever.All who are victorious will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be my children. “But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, murderers, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars—their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.
Revelation 21:7-8
The list is about unsaved people who never believed.
Here are 2 verses that state WHO will be condemned.
John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Can you claim in all honesty that someone who HAS EVER believed can be described as one who "has not believed"??
Nope. As I have just proven and refuted your claim.Believers are not excluded from any of these verses my friend.
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