Texas mom wins right to make her son her daughter

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Not anyone I knew.

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Well apparently there’s a procedure called “De-transitioning” for those who regret having a sex change procedure.

BNR32FAN said:

What did people do before sex change procedures were available? THEY LIVED WITH IT. My 6 year old also wants to be a dolphin but I guess she’ll have to settle for being a girl since thankfully that procedure isn’t available yet.

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"What did they do before a time when there was a medical/scientific approach to a problem? They Dealt with it!" is lousy reasoning.

So people should suffer when there are ways to lessen the suffering, simply because that's how it was "back in the day"?

By that logic, no more insulin for diabetics, no more blood pressure meds for people with heart conditions, no more antibiotics for people with infections, etc... do I need to go on here?

BNR32FAN said:

Well apparently there’s a procedure called “De-transitioning” for those who regret having a sex change procedure.

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And per numerous replies to another poster (way back on the first 4 or 5 pages of the thread), it was shown that the detransition rate as well as the "transition regret" rate are under 5% by all reputable reports. Even the far-right evangelical source I linked when showing that only had the number at 11% (and you know theirs is going to be on the high side because they're trying to make a point)

So, the overwhelming majority of people who transition are content with their decision.

BNR32FAN said:

Well apparently there’s a procedure called “De-transitioning” for those who regret having a sex change procedure.

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Many people regret their transition. It is a very serious issue.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

The world loves its own , so the world loves it when people want what is wrong, and the world will say and even "prove" (with deception) that "it does not go away" , or even that it is there to start with ! (it may not be the self-human at all (the cause) , and maybe may be driven away or changed by prayer and fasting ) ...

It is not popular in the world to hold to a Christian view point, nor to the truth,
but
people have been healed by the Healer, total peace and contentment in salvation in Christ Jesus....

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“"If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, 'A slave is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know the One who sent Me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. He who hates Me hates My Father also. If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well. But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, ' THEY HATED ME WITHOUT A CAUSE.'”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:18-25‬ ‭NASB‬‬

“"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:10-12‬ ‭NASB‬‬

ThatRobGuy said:

"What did they do before a time when there was a medical/scientific approach to a problem? They Dealt with it!" is lousy reasoning.

So people should suffer when there are ways to lessen the suffering, simply because that's how it was "back in the day"?

By that logic, no more insulin for diabetics, no more blood pressure meds for people with heart conditions, no more antibiotics for people with infections, etc... do I need to go on here?

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Hahahaha who’s suffering? Perhaps you missed the article posts saying the boy is not experiencing distress over his gender preference. Sounds to me like he just wants to be a girl not that he is suicidal about it. Geez can you blow it any more out of proportion? Having a life changing alteration on a 7 year old child because he simply wants to be a girl is absolutely INSANE!! Let’s pump the kid full of drugs to kill his testacles so he can never have children and let’s not think about the ridicule and emotional stress he will have to endure by both girls and boys because he won’t actually fit into either category. Do you have any idea how heartless teenagers can be towards someone who is different? What gym is he going to go to in jr high and high school, boys or girls? You don’t think anyone is going to notice a difference? What’s his family life going to be like when he is an adult? He can’t have children of his own. Who’s his spouse going to be, male or female? HE’S 7 YEARS OLD AND NOT OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS CHOICE!! ANYONE WHO WOULD ALLOW THEIR CHILD TO UNDERGO SUCH A LIFE ALTERING PROCEDURE AT THE AGE OF 7 YEARS OLD IS NOT FIT TO BE A PARENT!!

ThatRobGuy said:

And per numerous replies to another poster (way back on the first 4 or 5 pages of the thread), it was shown that the detransition rate as well as the "transition regret" rate are under 5% by all reputable reports. Even the far-right evangelical source I linked when showing that only had the number at 11% (and you know theirs is going to be on the high side because they're trying to make a point)

So, the overwhelming majority of people who transition are content with their decision.

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Great so maybe they’re not ruining his life by making this decision. Here’s an idea WHY NOT WAIT UNTIL HE’S 18 YEARS OLD THEN LET HIM DECIDE WHEN HE CAN AT LEAST HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO MAKE A HALFWAY EDUCATED DECISION?!!

THE ARTICLE SAYS HE IS NOT DISTRESSED OVER IT!!

ThatRobGuy said:

And per numerous replies to another poster (way back on the first 4 or 5 pages of the thread), it was shown that the detransition rate as well as the "transition regret" rate are under 5% by all reputable reports. Even the far-right evangelical source I linked when showing that only had the number at 11% (and you know theirs is going to be on the high side because they're trying to make a point)

So, the overwhelming majority of people who transition are content with their decision.

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It would help if you would stop calling it a religious source. They linked to the US trans survey, which is not affiliated with a religious organization at all. They just wrote an article about it.

Having said that, yes, the studies we looked at all showed that most don't de-transition, and those who do often do so due to pressure.

However, those were also all studies that dealt with people who transitioned at a much later age. It is an open question how many more might regret it if they were transitioned at at early age without working through things in puberty.

That is why the desist numbers are important. And by all the data we have those are fairly high. That suggests we should wait for them to sort things through.

Due to the current group who are transitioning early we will eventually get new data for that group as well to see what the rate of regret will be. But we don't have that as of yet.

BNR32FAN said:

Hahahaha who’s suffering? Perhaps you missed the article posts saying the boy is not experiencing distress over his gender preference. Sounds to me like he just wants to be a girl not that he is suicidal about it. Geez can you blow it any more out of proportion? Having a life changing alteration on a 7 year old child because he simply wants to be a girl is absolutely INSANE!! Let’s pump the kid full of drugs to kill his testacles so he can never have children and let’s not think about the ridicule and emotional stress he will have to endure by both girls and boys because he won’t actually fit into either category. Do you have any idea how heartless teenagers can be towards someone who is different? What gym is he going to go to in jr high and high school, boys or girls? You don’t think anyone is going to notice a difference? What’s his family life going to be like when he is an adult? He can’t have children of his own. Who’s his spouse going to be, male or female? HE’S 7 YEARS OLD AND NOT OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS CHOICE!! ANYONE WHO WOULD ALLOW THEIR CHILD TO UNDERGO SUCH A LIFE ALTERING PROCEDURE AT THE AGE OF 7 YEARS OLD IS NOT FIT TO BE A PARENT!!

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Apparently you haven't really read any of my prior posts in this topic, zeroed in on the ones that made you mad, and jammed down the caps lock button and raged...

Now, if you got back and read all of my posts, you'll see a few things.

1) I objected to the idea of any sort of hormonal or surgical intervention at an age that young (made that position clear at least 10 times in this thread)
2) The mother isn't seeking either of those two things at the moment (per the article)
3) Also, per the article, the child did express that they did have anxiety about "having to be a boy when they're around their father"

My post was in opposition to the "people just dealt with it back in the day" rebuttal you made as well as your comments about the de-transition aspect.

I have no problem having a spirited debate with someone, but don't prop up this huge, enraged strawman and rant about a position I never claimed to hold while tossing in all kinds of snarky questions and "hahahaha"'s as if you're talking down to someone.

ThatRobGuy said:

Apparently you haven't really read any of my prior posts in this topic, zeroed in on the ones that made you mad, and jammed down the caps lock button and raged...

Now, if you got back and read all of my posts, you'll see a few things.

1) I objected to the idea of any sort of hormonal or surgical intervention at an age that young (made that position clear at least 10 times in this thread)
2) The mother isn't seeking either of those two things at the moment (per the article)
3) Also, per the article, the child did express that they did have anxiety about "having to be a boy when they're around their father"

My post was in opposition to the "people just dealt with it back in the day" rebuttal you made as well as your comments about the de-transition aspect.

I have no problem having a spirited debate with someone, but don't prop up this huge, enraged strawman and rant about a position I never claimed to hold while tossing in all kinds of snarky questions and "hahahaha"'s as if you're talking down to someone.

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My sincere apology friend I did not see your posts opposing medical procedures. Your reply to my post appeared to support a gender altering medical procedure. So please forgive my misunderstanding and please realize the source of my emotion was derived from a desire to protect a child as we both agree that such a life altering procedure at such an early age could potentially be devastating for little James.

BNR32FAN said:

What did people do before sex change procedures were available? THEY LIVED WITH IT. My 6 year old also wants to be a dolphin but I guess she’ll have to settle for being a girl since thankfully that procedure isn’t available yet.

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ThatRobGuy said:

What did they do before a time when there was a medical/scientific approach to a problem? They Dealt with it!" is lousy reasoning.

So people should suffer when there are ways to lessen the suffering, simply because that's how it was "back in the day"?

By that logic, no more insulin for diabetics, no more blood pressure meds for people with heart conditions, no more antibiotics for people with infections, etc... do I need to go on here?

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When you look at these two quotes together it really looks like your condoning a medical procedure. I’m certainly glad that is not the case. Have a blessed day friend.