LDS Mormon Doctrine Says You Can be Both Saved and Lost

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Unicorns were real:

(Bible Dictionary | U Unicorn:Entry)

Unicorn. A wild ox, the Bos primigenius, now extinct, but once common in Syria. The KJV rendering is unfortunate, as the animal intended is two-horned.


And, of course, God did not know that, so JS had to keep it according to the KJV because that is the way God said it.
 
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Neither have I, but Orson Hyde preached about Jesus' polygamous wives:

"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children."
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 210
Judgments of God on the United States, Etc., by Orson Hyde (Journal of Discourses 2:202-211)

Some commentators have speculated about the identity of the unnamed bridegroom. ...Bishop John Spong suggests in his book Born of a Woman that the event was actually the wedding of Jesus himself to Mary Magdalene.[8] In 1854, at a time when polygamy was an element of mainstream practice of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Latter-day Saint elder Orson Hyde made a similar suggestion, arguing that Jesus was a polygamist and that the event at Cana was his wedding to Mary Magdalene, Martha and Mary of Bethany.[9][10][11]
Marriage at Cana - Wikipedia

We will turn over to the account of the marriage in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Yes, and somebody else too. You will find it in the 2nd chapter of John's Gospel; remember it and read it when you go home. “And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. And there were set there six water pots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. Jesus saith unto them, Fill the water pots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it. When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew); the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him”—that is, the ruler of the feast saith unto the bridegroom, “Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.”

Gentlemen, that is as plain as the translators, or different councils over this Scripture, dare allow it to go to the world, but the thing is there; it is told; Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee, and he told them what to do.

Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified. “Has he indeed passed by the nature of angels, and taken upon himself the seed of Abraham, to die without leaving a seed to bear his name on the earth?” No. But when the secret is fully out, the seed of the blessed shall be gathered in, in the last days; and he who has not the blood of Abraham flowing in his veins, who has not one particle of the Savior's in him, I am afraid is a stereotyped Gentile, who will be left out and not be gathered in the last days; for I tell you it is the chosen of God, the seed of the blessed, that shall be gathered. I do not despise to be called a son of Abraham, if he had a dozen wives; or to be called a brother, a son, a child of the Savior, if he had Mary, and Martha, and several others, as wives; and though he did cast seven devils out of one of them, it is all the same to me.
President Orson Hyde, The Marriage Relations, Delivered at the General Conference, in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, October 6, 1854, p.82

The Marriage Relations, by Orson Hyde (Journal of Discourses 2:75-87)

LOL! Those people had no idea what having a wife entailed according to Jewish law.

Deu_24:5 When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business: but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

He also had to build her a home! Jesus declared he had no home and his ministry lasted only 3 1/2 years, and before that he lived at home with his mother. He had no time for a wife, much less several of them! False prophets, all of them.
 
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And, of course, God did not know that, so JS had to keep it according to the KJV because that is the way God said it.
"A re'em, also reëm (Hebrew: רְאֵם), is an animal mentioned nine times in the Hebrew Bible[1] and variously translated as a unicorn or a wild ox. It was first identified in modern times with the aurochs by Johann Ulrich Duerst who discovered it was based on the Akkadian cognate rimu ( in cuneiform), meaning Bos primigenius, the aurochs, progenitor of cattle.[2] This has been generally accepted,[3] as it is today even among religious scholars."

From: Re'em - Wikipedia
 
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"A re'em, also reëm (Hebrew: רְאֵם), is an animal mentioned nine times in the Hebrew Bible[1] and variously translated as a unicorn or a wild ox. It was first identified in modern times with the aurochs by Johann Ulrich Duerst who discovered it was based on the Akkadian cognate rimu ( in cuneiform), meaning Bos primigenius, the aurochs, progenitor of cattle.[2] This has been generally accepted,[3] as it is today even among religious scholars."

From: Re'em - Wikipedia

And since God didn't know this, He just kept the word unicorn.
 
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It should have. Don't you know that you should do this:

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 6:5)

5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

(New Testament | Mark 12:30 - 31)

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Now isn't that 100%?
Are you 100% compliant? If not, then your posts are hypocritical - "do as I say, not as I do".
 
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It was the translators of the Bible that made the mistake, it had nothing to do with Joseph Smith.


Yes!! And JS did not copy the KJV---for he had nothing with him, but he writes it down just as the KJV says. We know it had nothing to do with JS---thanks for verifying.
 
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It should have. Don't you know that you should do this:

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 6:5)

5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

(New Testament | Mark 12:30 - 31)

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Now isn't that 100%?


No! Where is the commandment to marry in the temple, and all the other Mormon commandments?
 
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Yes!! And JS did not copy the KJV---for he had nothing with him, but he writes it down just as the KJV says. We know it had nothing to do with JS---thanks for verifying.
Although there are a lot of verses in the Book of Mormon that came from the Bible, Unicorn is not mentioned in the Book of Mormon and many of the verses have wording that is different because it is more correct.
 
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No! Where is the commandment to marry in the temple, and all the other Mormon commandments?
You mean like these:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:29)

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

(Old Testament | Leviticus 10:9)

9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
 
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Are you 100% compliant? If not, then your posts are hypocritical - "do as I say, not as I do".
It is everyone's job to think of their own obedience and salvation:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:19 - 32)

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 ¶ Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 ¶ Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart....................................................................................
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
 
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These are not the 10 commandments God wrote with His own finger. . Where are the Mormon commandments---where is the commandment to marry in the temple?
Families can be together forever. God made this possible. However He lets us make this choice.

(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
 
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Although there are a lot of verses in the Book of Mormon that came from the Bible, Unicorn is not mentioned in the Book of Mormon and many of the verses have wording that is different because it is more correct.

I think my brain is aging too fast---the word was satyrs. Sorry.
 
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ROMANS 8:30 KJV
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Same group....
  • Predestinated
  • Called
  • Justified
  • Glorified
NO SHRINKAGE
 
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It is everyone's job to think of their own obedience and salvation:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:19 - 32)

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Yeah, that verse doesn't bode well for you and the lds in general, as the lds teachings and/or past prophets arguably break or have broken a few of the commandments (no other gods, graven images, the Sabbath, adultery, covetousness).

If you truly believe your own words about it's everyone's job to think about their own obedience and salvation, then you should stop with your posting of keeping the commandments or God won't LOVE you. You are guilty in the first degree, so sayeth the LORD.

For me, I identify with the Apostle Paul in Romans 7:15-20, where I do what I shouldn't do and don't do what I should do at times. Fortunately, Paul sums it up in verses 24-25 "24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin."

Jesus does what I cannot do on my own - 100% his grace and mercy, 0% of my own works or efforts.
 
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D & 132 Just a portion of it

18 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the bnew and everlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

21 Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

22 For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

23 But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

24 This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

25 aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.

26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the aHoly Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they bcommit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be cdelivered unto the buffetings of dSatan unto the day of eredemption, saith the Lord God.

27 The ablasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which shall bnot be cforgiven in the world nor out of the world, is in that ye commit dmurder wherein ye shed innocent blood, and assent unto my death, after ye have received my new and everlasting covenant, saith the Lord God; and he that abideth not this law can in nowise enter into my glory, but shall be edamned, saith the Lord.

28 I am the Lord thy God, and will give unto thee the alaw of my Holy Priesthood, as was ordained by me and my Father before the world was."
 
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Yeah, that verse doesn't bode well for you and the lds in general, as the lds teachings and/or past prophets arguably break or have broken a few of the commandments (no other gods, graven images, the Sabbath, adultery, covetousness).

If you truly believe your own words about it's everyone's job to think about their own obedience and salvation, then you should stop with your posting of keeping the commandments or God won't LOVE you. You are guilty in the first degree, so sayeth the LORD.

For me, I identify with the Apostle Paul in Romans 7:15-20, where I do what I shouldn't do and don't do what I should do at times. Fortunately, Paul sums it up in verses 24-25 "24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin."

Jesus does what I cannot do on my own - 100% his grace and mercy, 0% of my own works or efforts.
I believe the Bible, especially what Jesus said and those verses that I have quoted many times. Sinners need to repent and thereafter quit sinning. Paul was clear about this when he said:

(New Testament | Romans 6:1 - 12)

1 WHAT shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

So although Paul was a sinner, he changed. Everyone needs to turn away from sin and serve God:

(New Testament | Luke 9:62)

62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
 
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I think my brain is aging too fast---the word was satyrs. Sorry.
No problems, we are all getting old. Time marches on but now I think it is running. Satyrs is mentioned in Isaiah twice and in the Book of Mormon once. It may have had a different meaning in the time of Isaiah than it does now. I have heard that demons are sometimes part human and part animal in the lower levels of the spirit world.
 
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No problems, we are all getting old. Time marches on but now I think it is running. Satyrs is mentioned in Isaiah twice and in the Book of Mormon once. It may have had a different meaning in the time of Isaiah than it does now. I have heard that demons are sometimes part human and part animal in the lower levels of the spirit world.

Is of Greek origin first used in the 14 century.
 
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