Trump lawyer defies House subpoena

essentialsaltes · Nov 4, 2019

John Eisenberg, a White House lawyer central to the Ukraine controversy, defied a subpoena from House investigators, and three other officials summoned for closed-door depositions on Monday were not expected to appear, as well.

The refusals to cooperate are coming on a morning in which Trump tweeted that he sees “no reason” for lawmakers to summon witnesses regarding his July call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, which he again contended was “perfect.”

Sorry Trump. The only thing that matters is that the House sees a reason to talk to these people. Enough to issue a subpoena.

Albion · Nov 4, 2019

No, it isn't. The House is not empowered to subpoena everyone in the opposition party--or in the entirety of the USA--simply to play out some game of looking like the members are actually investigating something.

Paulos23 · Nov 4, 2019

Albion said:
No, it isn't. The House is not empowered to subpoena everyone in the opposition party--or in the entirety of the USA--simply to play out some game of looking like the members are actually investigating something.

But this is not random. He is central to the Ukranian call. Why shouldn't he be called to the House for questioning?

Albion · Nov 4, 2019

Paulos23 said:
But this is not random.

That doeesn't matter. Virtually anyone can be alleged to be "central" to something or other, particularly when there is no crime to investigate and all the evidence is already in the hands of the committee.

Paulos23 · Nov 4, 2019

Albion said:
That doeesn't matter. Virtually anyone can be alleged to be "central" to something or other, particularly when there is no crime to investigate and all the evidence is already in the hands of the committee.

When they start to do that, then you will have a point. We are not seeing that now.

Kentonio · Nov 4, 2019

Albion said:
No, it isn't. The House is not empowered to subpoena everyone in the opposition party--or in the entirety of the USA--simply to play out some game of looking like the members are actually investigating something.

The house can subpoena anyone they please. If people want to resist those subpoenas and argue their case in court, then they’re welcome to do so.

grasping the after wind · Nov 4, 2019

Kentonio said:
The house can subpoena anyone they please. If people want to resist those subpoenas and argue their case in court, then they’re welcome to do so.

Then what's the problem here. As you said this person is entitled to do what he is doing.

Kentonio · Nov 4, 2019

grasping the after wind said:
Then what's the problem here. As you said this person is entitled to do what he is doing.

Of course he is. I just hope we can agree that when the courts order him to comply that he should do so immediately and accept their judgement without further complaint.

JohnAshton · Nov 4, 2019

Albion said:
That doeesn't matter. Virtually anyone can be alleged to be "central" to something or other, particularly when there is no crime to investigate and all the evidence is already in the hands of the committee.

Your arguments fails to muster seriousness. The House determines what is 'central' to the investigation, not you, Alibion, not me.

Either the WH follows the rule of law or it will fall by the rule of law.

SimplyMe · Nov 4, 2019

So, before Trump claimed it was just because it wasn't a "valid" impeachment hearing, since there had been no vote by the entire House. Now he's dropped all pretense and is using Nixon's strategy, instead. Seriously, if the call was "perfect," as Trump keeps claiming, why should he fear what people who work for him will say?

Ken Rank · Nov 4, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
John Eisenberg, a White House lawyer central to the Ukraine controversy, defied a subpoena from House investigators, and three other officials summoned for closed-door depositions on Monday were not expected to appear, as well.

The refusals to cooperate are coming on a morning in which Trump tweeted that he sees “no reason” for lawmakers to summon witnesses regarding his July call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, which he again contended was “perfect.”

Sorry Trump. The only thing that matters is that the House sees a reason to talk to these people. Enough to issue a subpoena.

Actually... since NOT ONE article of impeachment has been filed, there is no legal reason to adhere to any of this. This is nothing but an investigation to see IF they can find something to pin on him (nothing else has worked)... but no articles of impeachment have been filed. Therefore, I would would refuse as well!

Ken Rank · Nov 4, 2019

Albion said:
No, it isn't. The House is not empowered to subpoena everyone in the opposition party--or in the entirety of the USA--simply to play out some game of looking like the members are actually investigating something.

No articles of impeachment have been filed... NONE. Therefore, the media and the dems can use the word "impeachment" all they want... but this isn't one. Legally folks... THIS ISN'T ONE.

essentialsaltes · Nov 4, 2019

Albion said:
No, it isn't. The House is not empowered to subpoena everyone in the opposition party--or in the entirety of the USA--simply to play out some game of looking like the members are actually investigating something.

Certainly they are so empowered.

Each house of Congress has power, through its own process, to compel a private individual to appear before it or one of its committees and give testimony needed to enable it efficiently to exercise a legislative function belonging to it under the Constitution.

Subpoenas issued by a committee of the Senate to bring before it a witness to testify in an investigation authorized by the Senate are as if issued by the Senate itself.

It is not a valid objection to such investigation that it might disclose wrongdoing or crime by a public officer named in the resolution.

TLK Valentine · Nov 4, 2019

Albion said:
No, it isn't. The House is not empowered to subpoena everyone in the opposition party--or in the entirety of the USA--simply to play out some game of looking like the members are actually investigating something.

Emperor Donald doesn't get to decide whether or not a subpoena is worthy of his attention... at least if he wants to pretend to care for the rule of law.

essentialsaltes · Nov 4, 2019

Ken Rank said:
Actually... since NOT ONE article of impeachment has been filed, there is no legal reason to adhere to any of this.

Congress has subpoena power in all of its deliberations.

TLK Valentine · Nov 4, 2019

Ken Rank said:
No articles of impeachment have been filed... NONE. Therefore, the media and the dems can use the word "impeachment" all they want... but this isn't one. Legally folks... THIS ISN'T ONE.

The word "subpoena" however, is being used... and for those who didn't take Latin in school, it literally means "under penalty..."

As in, comply with the law... or else.

TLK Valentine · Nov 4, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
It is not a valid objection to such investigation that it might disclose wrongdoing or crime by a public officer named in the resolution.

Donald and his followers seem to have run out of valid objections... they're fitting him for a crown while he declares himself above the law.

TLK Valentine · Nov 4, 2019

SimplyMe said:
So, before Trump claimed it was just because it wasn't a "valid" impeachment hearing, since there had been no vote by the entire House. Now he's dropped all pretense and is using Nixon's strategy, instead. Seriously, if the call was "perfect," as Trump keeps claiming, why should he fear what people who work for him will say?

When has Donald ever not been afraid of people he can't bully or pay off?

Kenny'sID · Nov 4, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
Sorry Trump. The only thing that matters is that the House sees a reason to talk to these people. Enough to issue a subpoena.

And you would have Trump mimic the proverbial potted plant till this is over?

essentialsaltes · Nov 4, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
And you would have Trump mimic the proverbial potted plant till this is over?

I would like his underlings to obey the law and honor valid Congressional subpoenas. Trump can do as he likes, within the bounds of the law.

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