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I'm curious what people think about these facts and what they appear to show:
After President Trump was inaugurated (Jan 2017) Ukraine was obviously interested in talking to him, in particular to purchase Javelin missiles. They apparently were having issues trying to talk to President-elect Trump and hired the lobbying firm BGR Group around Christmas 2016. Even after Trump was inaugurated, Ukraine apparently did not get any conversations with Trump.
On June 7, 2017, Rudolph Giuliani gave a speech at for the Victor Pinchuk Foundation. While Giuliaini was there, the foundation reported he also met with President Poroshenko and Chief Prosecutor Lutsenko.
A week later, the Kyiv Post reported that the investigation into the "Black ledger" -- a secret, handwritten list of $2 billion in shady payments by the political party of former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych. The investigation was moved from the Chief Prosecutor to an office controlled by the Ukrainian President. A former deputy head of the Security Service of Ukraine stated, “The fact that the black ledger case was passed to the Prosecutor General’s Office means it will from now on be under political control,” and further stated, “It is clear for me that somebody gave an order to bury the black ledger.”
What makes the "black ledger" interesting, in terms of the US, is that the scandal "led to the resignation of the chairman of Donald J. Trump’s presidential election campaign team, Paul Manafort, whose name was found in the ledger next to sums of hundreds of thousands of dollars."
On June 20, 2017, Ukrainian President Poroshenko finally got his meeting with President Trump. Trump also added Russian sanctions, around the same time. Last, the Pentagon approved an export license for Javelin missiles in December, and final approval for Ukraine to purchase 210 missiles and 32 launch units was given in March.
An article by the New York Times from last year, makes the claim that the Javelin missile purchase was approved because Ukraine said they would no longer cooperate with Independent Prosecutor Mueller's investigation, specifically Manafort's ties to Ukraine.
To me, this looks pretty bad -- but maybe I'm missing other facts. I'll admit, the reason I first saw this and started looking is because of this editorial, by David Ignatius, that appeared in the Washington Post. Further, this seems to further tie Giuliani into the dealings of Parnas and Fruman, along with the oligarch alleged to have funneled money to them, Dmytro Firtash.
It also appears this may be something that Congress may be looking at, particularly as it seems this may be tied to the actual reason Ambassador Yovanovitch was fired -- she allegedly testified she was fired because, “Individuals who have been named in the press as contacts of Mr. Giuliani may well have believed that their personal financial ambitions were stymied by our anti-corruption policy in Ukraine.”
I'm curious if anyone else here may have seen other details, as well as what people think of this allegations?
After President Trump was inaugurated (Jan 2017) Ukraine was obviously interested in talking to him, in particular to purchase Javelin missiles. They apparently were having issues trying to talk to President-elect Trump and hired the lobbying firm BGR Group around Christmas 2016. Even after Trump was inaugurated, Ukraine apparently did not get any conversations with Trump.
On June 7, 2017, Rudolph Giuliani gave a speech at for the Victor Pinchuk Foundation. While Giuliaini was there, the foundation reported he also met with President Poroshenko and Chief Prosecutor Lutsenko.
A week later, the Kyiv Post reported that the investigation into the "Black ledger" -- a secret, handwritten list of $2 billion in shady payments by the political party of former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych. The investigation was moved from the Chief Prosecutor to an office controlled by the Ukrainian President. A former deputy head of the Security Service of Ukraine stated, “The fact that the black ledger case was passed to the Prosecutor General’s Office means it will from now on be under political control,” and further stated, “It is clear for me that somebody gave an order to bury the black ledger.”
What makes the "black ledger" interesting, in terms of the US, is that the scandal "led to the resignation of the chairman of Donald J. Trump’s presidential election campaign team, Paul Manafort, whose name was found in the ledger next to sums of hundreds of thousands of dollars."
On June 20, 2017, Ukrainian President Poroshenko finally got his meeting with President Trump. Trump also added Russian sanctions, around the same time. Last, the Pentagon approved an export license for Javelin missiles in December, and final approval for Ukraine to purchase 210 missiles and 32 launch units was given in March.
An article by the New York Times from last year, makes the claim that the Javelin missile purchase was approved because Ukraine said they would no longer cooperate with Independent Prosecutor Mueller's investigation, specifically Manafort's ties to Ukraine.
To me, this looks pretty bad -- but maybe I'm missing other facts. I'll admit, the reason I first saw this and started looking is because of this editorial, by David Ignatius, that appeared in the Washington Post. Further, this seems to further tie Giuliani into the dealings of Parnas and Fruman, along with the oligarch alleged to have funneled money to them, Dmytro Firtash.
It also appears this may be something that Congress may be looking at, particularly as it seems this may be tied to the actual reason Ambassador Yovanovitch was fired -- she allegedly testified she was fired because, “Individuals who have been named in the press as contacts of Mr. Giuliani may well have believed that their personal financial ambitions were stymied by our anti-corruption policy in Ukraine.”
I'm curious if anyone else here may have seen other details, as well as what people think of this allegations?
