The ethics of voting for Donald Trump

seeking.IAM · Nov 1, 2019

brinny said:
On another note, would you have preferred that the other candidate be President?

I would have preferred ANY other candidate be President. And for what it's worth, I am opposed to abortion.

brinny · Nov 1, 2019

seeking.IAM said:
I would have preferred ANY other candidate be President. And for what it's worth, I am opposed to abortion.

The only other candidate was Hillary.

Did you vote for Hillary?

Just how opposed to abortion, the shedding of the innocent blood of the "least of these" are you?

The shedding of innocent blood is listed as one of the seven abominations that God abhors.

coffee4u · Nov 1, 2019

brinny said:
The only other candidate was Hillary.

Did you vote for Hillary?

Just how opposed to abortion, the shedding of the innocent blood of the "least of these" are you?

The shedding of innocent blood is listed as one of the seven abominations that God abhors.

Surely you had someone else to vote for?

brinny · Nov 1, 2019

coffee4u said:
Surely you had someone else to vote for?

No, seriously.

It was down to two:

Hillary and Trump.

seeking.IAM · Nov 1, 2019

brinny said:
The only other candidate was Hillary...Did you vote for Hillary?...Just how opposed to abortion, the shedding of the innocent blood of the "least of these" are you?

I believe you are mistaken. There was the Libertarian Party (Gary Johnson), the Green Party (Jill Stein - every state but 2), and other minor parties on some ballots in some states. See it here. As I said, I would have preferred ANY other candidate.

I'm totally opposed to abortion. I am not a one-issue voter. Never have been and never will be. I believe one-issue voters put their own interests ahead of the interests for the general good of the country. Every candidate should be evaluated on the totality of what they stand for and who can bring the greatest good to the country, rather than being evaluated on the one single issue that triggers our hot buttons.

brinny · Nov 1, 2019

seeking.IAM said:
I believe you are mistaken. There was the Libertarian Party (Gary Johnson), the Green Party (Jill Stein - every state but 2), and other minor parties on some ballots in some states. See it here. As I said, I would have preferred ANY other candidate.

I'm totally opposed to abortion. I am not a one-issue voter. Never have been and never will be. I believe one-issue voters put their own interests ahead of the interests for the general good of the country. Every candidate should be evaluated on the totality of what they stand for and who can bring the greatest good to the country, rather than being evaluated on the one single issue that triggers our hot buttons.

The shedding of innocent blood is an abomination to the living God. It is written.

The other candidates stood against abortion?

Where in God's Word is it written that shedding innocent blood can be compromised and/or dismissed?

seeking.IAM · Nov 1, 2019

brinny said:
The shedding of innocent blood is an abomination to the living God. It is written.

The other candidates stood against abortion?

Where in God's Word is it written that shedding innocent blood can be compromised and/or dismissed?

Jesus said the second greatest commandment is to love your neighbor. Do you think POTUS' statements about other people and actions exemplify that?

coffee4u · Nov 1, 2019

brinny said:
No, seriously.

It was down to two:

Hillary and Trump.

No smaller parties running at all? Your system is a crock.

coffee4u · Nov 1, 2019

seeking.IAM said:
I believe you are mistaken. There was the Libertarian Party (Gary Johnson), the Green Party (Jill Stein - every state but 2), and other minor parties on some ballots in some states. See it here. As I said, I would have preferred ANY other candidate.

I'm totally opposed to abortion. I am not a one-issue voter. Never have been and never will be. I believe one-issue voters put their own interests ahead of the interests for the general good of the country. Every candidate should be evaluated on the totality of what they stand for and who can bring the greatest good to the country, rather than being evaluated on the one single issue that triggers our hot buttons.

Thank goodness for that as I could not imagine a country that size only having two candidates. Sounding close to a dictatorship.

seeking.IAM · Nov 1, 2019

Let's examine those seven abominations and perhaps rate POTUS on all of them. I'll highlight a few others for your consideration.

According to Proverbs 6:16-19, there are seven abominations unto the Lord:

a proud look
a lying tongue
hands that shed innocent blood
an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations
feet that be swift in running to mischief
a false witness that speaketh lies, and
he that soweth discord among brethren.

brinny · Nov 1, 2019

seeking.IAM said:
Jesus said the second greatest commandment is to love your neighbor. Do you think POTUS' statements about other people and actions exemplify that?

What has your response to my post got to do with the shedding of innocent blood?

Paulos23 · Nov 1, 2019

Rev Life said:
The reason why women have abortions isn't due to poverty or whatever poor excuse liberals invent; it's because they don't understand that abortion is murder. Which is to say, abortion happens because so many women aren't enlightened with the Holy Spirit and haven't realized the human being in their womb is an actual human being. To put it another way, abortion is caused by ignorance. In order to adequately address the problem, we need to bring unenlightened women to Christ and make abortion illegal.

To quote my wife: "A woman doesn't want an abortion like she wants an ice cream cone, she wants it like a wolf wants to gnaw off its limb caught on a trap."

I think you dont understand the fear of pregnancy, or of having to rase a child on your own. Or facing a change to your future that you were not planing. You need to help changing the way society treats women and children. Then I think you see a drop in abortions.

brinny · Nov 1, 2019

seeking.IAM said:
Let's examine those seven abominations and perhaps rate POTUS on all of them. I'll highlight a few others for your consideration.

According to Proverbs 6:16-19, there are seven abominations unto the Lord:

a proud look
a lying tongue
hands that shed innocent blood
an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations
feet that be swift in running to mischief
a false witness that speaketh lies, and
he that soweth discord among brethren.

In addition, it is mentioned throughout God's Word that God abhors the shedding of innocent blood. Shed blood cries out to God, just like Abel's blood cried out from the ground after Cain murdered him, and just as the martyr's blood cries out to God for justice, etc.

brinny · Nov 1, 2019

brinny said: ↑
No, seriously.

It was down to two:

Hillary and Trump.

coffee4u said:
No smaller parties running at all? Your system is a crock.

It had dwindled down to those two candidates, out of many from several parties.

coffee4u · Nov 2, 2019

What exactly has Trump done to reduce abortion across the US? Since this is what you are voting on him for.

Sparagmos · Nov 2, 2019

Rev Life said:
I’ll be the first to admit that president Donald Trump isn’t perfect. He said some mean things about undocumented immigrants, calling them drug-dealers, criminals, and rapists. He has a huge ego. And I certainly don’t approve of his extramarital affairs. But whatever Trump’s flaws, at least he gets one thing right: he is pro-life.

Abortion is arguably the number one issue of our time. According to the Wikipedia page called “Abortion statistics in the United States,” there have been 45.7 million abortions in the United States since Roe v. Wade. By comparison, 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. This means that 7.5 times more babies have been murdered in the womb than Jews who were gassed by the Nazis. Let those numbers sink in for a moment.

The Bible consistently confirms that God believes life begins at conception. One example is Jeremiah 1:5, which says, “Before you were in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” Another example is Luke 1:41, which says, “When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.”

How is Trump against abortion? Here are some facts on the matter:

1. Trump has chosen many nominees who are against abortion, including Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch.

2. Trump wants to completely ban abortion except for rape, incest, or when the life of the woman is in danger.

3. Trump showed support for a ban on abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Just In: Brody File Exclusive: Donald Trump Comes Out In Support Of 20 Week Abortion Ban

4. Trump wants to appeal the Affordable Care Act, which provides people with health insurance coverage for abortion.

5. Trump would have preferred to shut down the government rather than fund Planned Parenthood, a prominent abortion racket.

6. Trump’s VP Pence said he wants to see Roe v. Wade on “the ash heap of history,” and he has a consistent record of defending life in the womb. Democratic National Convention, the final day: 'When there are no ceilings, the sky's the limit,' Clinton says - Los Angeles Times

Because abortion is arguably the Holocaust of our day, it is of the utmost importance that we Christians vote for pro-life political leaders. We all must take a principled stand against the notable genocide that is occurring in our country. Trump isn’t perfect, but at least he is pro-life. For that reason, I believe he is the most ethical candidate to vote for next year when the 2020 presidential election takes place.

Pretty much all Republican politicians claim to be pro-life. Why is he the most ethical candidate to vote for?

Sparagmos · Nov 2, 2019

Rev Life said:
Here is a better way to reduce abortions: make it illegal.

No, it’s not a better way. Abortion is still prevalent in countries where it is illegal.

KarlKarlingIII · Nov 2, 2019

seeking.IAM said:
If all one cares about is abortion, vote for Donald Trump. If what one cares about is this country and its living people, vote for anybody else.

Given the rest of how he speaks and acts, I don't believe for a minute POTUS cares two whits about abortion. I believe he cares about Donald Trump and getting re-elected. His anti-abortion stance is merely his pathway to achieve that. And anti-abortion Zealots have swallowed that hook, line, and sinker.

"Anti-abortion zealots"... you mean Christians?

Strathos said:
Just like Prohibition solved the alcohol problem... right?

We haven't solved the murder problem yet either, but no one is arguing murderers shouldn't be sent to prison.

Also there's a difference between having a pint of beer in the afternoon and stabbing a living human being in the womb.

KarlKarlingIII · Nov 2, 2019

Sparagmos said:
No, it’s not a better way. Abortion is still prevalent in countries where it is illegal.

Of course it is. Like any disease it is difficult to quarantine.

gaara4158 · Nov 2, 2019

KarlKarlingIII said:
Of course it is. Like any disease it is difficult to quarantine.

And like any disease, you defeat it by inoculating against it, not punishing everyone who has it.

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