The ethics of voting for Donald Trump

Rev Life · Nov 1, 2019

Strathos said:
Just like Prohibition solved the alcohol problem... right?

Can you provide evidence that making abortion illegal won't reduce the number of overall abortions?

JohnAshton · Nov 1, 2019

Nope, Rev Life, you made the assertion, you support it. No one has to rebut it until you do that. Prove your own case.

JackRT · Nov 1, 2019

Rev Life said:
Here is a better way to reduce abortions: make it illegal.

There are nations where abortion is illegal in all circumstances and the law is very strictly enforced --- ie. there are no legal abortions. In desperation people turn to illegal abortions. The end result is that there are as many or even more abortions plus there are ever more maternal deaths. This is not a win-win situation --- it is a lose-lose situation. In Canada there are no laws on abortion at all and Canadian medicare fully funds the procedure. Does this lead to even more abortions? No, the abortion rate in Canada is considerably lower than in the USA.

I believe that the developing fetus becomes a person only when it is able to survive outside the womb. Sentience occurs at about the same point in the pregnancy very late in the second trimester. For this reason I am against abortion beyond the twentieth week except in very rare extreme circumstances.. Otherwise I believe that abortion should be legal, it should be safe, it should be available and it should be the woman’s informed choice but most important of all --- it should be rare. In conclusion, we should always keep in mind that there are no more powerful abortifacients in the world than poverty and ignorance.

There is one thing that a great many people don’t understand about being pro-choice. You do not have to morally agree with abortion to be pro-choice. That is why it is not called pro-abortion. It is an undertstanding that you can’t make that choice for someone else. In fact most pro-choice people are not pro-abortion.

coffee4u · Nov 1, 2019

I’ll be the first to admit that president Donald Trump isn’t perfect. He said some mean things about undocumented immigrants, calling them drug-dealers, criminals, and rapists.

Interesting, given he's a sexual predator himself. Trump pays lip service to life yet disrespects it at every turn. It's called gathering votes.

good for the nation in most ways

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In what ways exactly?

If I was American (Thank you God that I am not) I wouldn't be voting for either side.
I am pro life but I am also pro women not being violated.

I seriously hope he does not come over here
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Scott Morrison is shooting himself in the foot.

Strathos · Nov 1, 2019

Rev Life said:
Can you provide evidence that making abortion illegal won't reduce the number of overall abortions?

I know that it will make the illegal abortions that are done much more dangerous for the mother.

gaara4158 · Nov 1, 2019

Trump’s only positive influence on American politics has been his effect on the Democratic Party. The Progressive wing has finally found a sense of urgency to push for real reform in healthcare, education, labor, and criminal justice, and this time they’ve gotten real traction. So thank you, Trump, for mobilizing the otherwise-complacent majority against you and your party. Let’s be sure not to elect him again.

Rev Life · Nov 1, 2019

JohnAshton said:
Nope, Rev Life, you made the assertion, you support it. No one has to rebut it until you do that. Prove your own case.

No, you made the assertion, so you prove it.

seeking.IAM · Nov 1, 2019

seeking.IAM said:
That is not for me to judge. I fail to see Jesus in what he says and how he acts. A higher authority than me will judge if he is evil.

brinny said:
You shared your opinion on Trump. Is it based on him being evil?...If he is evil, say so...Is he?

I believe it is not moral or the Way of Christ to be married 3 times...to have affairs...to be involved with other women while married...to separate children from their families at the border...to make fun of the disabled...to call one's opponents names...to pay off inappropriate content stars to keep them from talking about your affairs...to spend your Sunday mornings on the golf course...to talk about women in the manner he has been quoted, which would surely get me banned if I repeated here...to be married to someone who has her nude pictures on the internet But, hey, he's against abortion so the Evangelical Religious Right turns its collective head with some thinking he is appointed by God.

Is he evil? You decide for yourself.

Rev Life · Nov 1, 2019

JackRT said:
There are nations where abortion is illegal in all circumstances and the law is very strictly enforced --- ie. there are no legal abortions. In desperation people turn to illegal abortions. The end result is that there are as many or even more abortions plus there are ever more maternal deaths. This is not a win-win situation --- it is a lose-lose situation. In Canada there are no laws on abortion at all and Canadian medicare fully funds the procedure. Does this lead to even more abortions? No, the abortion rate in Canada is considerably lower than in the USA.

I believe that the developing fetus becomes a person only when it is able to survive outside the womb. Sentience occurs at about the same point in the pregnancy very late in the second trimester. For this reason I am against abortion beyond the twentieth week except in very rare extreme circumstances.. Otherwise I believe that abortion should be legal, it should be safe, it should be available and it should be the woman’s informed choice but most important of all --- it should be rare. In conclusion, we should always keep in mind that there are no more powerful abortifacients in the world than poverty and ignorance.

There is one thing that a great many people don’t understand about being pro-choice. You do not have to morally agree with abortion to be pro-choice. That is why it is not called pro-abortion. It is an undertstanding that you can’t make that choice for someone else. In fact most pro-choice people are not pro-abortion.

I used to support abortion and believed it was good for society because it's generally low-class women who kill their babies. I figured abortion was a good thing, since it leads to less people who we don't need more of. But one day God spoke to me and told me that everyone deserves a chance at life. After all, scripture confirms life in the womb is life. For this reason, I switched my position from being pro-abortion to pro-life. If you disagree, why would you oppose a command from God to be pro-life?

Paulos23 · Nov 1, 2019

Rev Life said:
Here is a better way to reduce abortions: make it illegal.

That will do nothing to reduce the reasons for abortions. If you address the reasons and causes of abortions I think you will find it will reduce faster than making it illegal

Making it illegal will just drive it underground, and the abortion drugs are better now and easier to get. So it will stop nothing if you dont address the reasons women look for an abortion.

loveofourlord · Nov 1, 2019

seeking.IAM said:
If all one cares about is abortion, vote for Donald Trump. If what one cares about is this country and its living people, vote for anybody else.

Given the rest of how he speaks and acts, I don't believe for a minute POTUS cares two whits about abortion. I believe he cares about Donald Trump and getting re-elected. His anti-abortion stance is merely his pathway to achieve that. And anti-abortion Zealots have swallowed that hook, line, and sinker.

lets say that trump really is against abortion and doesn't just say it because it will get him ellected, it's been nearly 3 years what exactly has trump done to stop abortion? People vote for these politicians that say they will end abortions but never do, and probably never will as it's a great way to get elected while hurting those voting for you.

Rev Life · Nov 1, 2019

Paulos23 said:
That will do nothing to reduce the reasons for abortions. If you address the reasons and causes of abortions I think you will find it will reduce faster than making it illegal

Making it illegal will just drive it underground, and the abortion drugs are better now and easier to get. So it will stop nothing if you dont address the reasons women look for an abortion.

The reason why women have abortions isn't due to poverty or whatever poor excuse liberals invent; it's because they don't understand that abortion is murder. Which is to say, abortion happens because so many women aren't enlightened with the Holy Spirit and haven't realized the human being in their womb is an actual human being. To put it another way, abortion is caused by ignorance. In order to adequately address the problem, we need to bring unenlightened women to Christ and make abortion illegal.

brinny · Nov 1, 2019

seeking.IAM said:
I believe it is not moral or the Way of Christ to be married 3 times...to have affairs...to be involved with other women while married...to separate children from their families at the border...to make fun of the disabled...to call one's opponents names...to pay off inappropriate content stars to keep them from talking about your affairs...to spend your Sunday mornings on the golf course...to talk about women in the manner he has been quoted, which would surely get me banned if I repeated here...to be married to someone who has her nude pictures on the internet But, hey, he's against abortion so the Evangelical Religious Right turns its collective head with some thinking he is appointed by God.

Is he evil? You decide for yourself.

Is he evil? You decide for yourself.

i asked you.

On another note, would you have preferred that the other candidate be President?

Isilwen · Nov 1, 2019

Rev Life said:
The reason why women have abortions isn't due to poverty or whatever poor excuse liberals invent; it's because they don't understand that abortion is murder. Which is to say, abortion happens because so many women aren't enlightened with the Holy Spirit and haven't realized the human being in their womb is an actual human being. To put it another way, abortion is caused by ignorance. In order to adequately address the problem, we need to bring unenlightened women to Christ and make abortion illegal.

Isilwen · Nov 1, 2019

I will be doing my civic duty and voting for a democrat in the hopes to get our current president out of office. This is also coming from someone who voted for our current president.

gaara4158 · Nov 1, 2019

Rev Life said:
The reason why women have abortions isn't due to poverty or whatever poor excuse liberals invent; it's because they don't understand that abortion is murder. Which is to say, abortion happens because so many women aren't enlightened with the Holy Spirit and haven't realized the human being in their womb is an actual human being. To put it another way, abortion is caused by ignorance. In order to adequately address the problem, we need to bring unenlightened women to Christ and make abortion illegal.

Interesting assertion. Is belief in Christ required before forming the opinion that abortion is murder?

Rev Life · Nov 1, 2019

gaara4158 said:
Interesting assertion. Is belief in Christ required before forming the opinion that abortion is murder?

It isn't. I've heard of an atheist organization called Secular Pro-Life. They don't believe in God but advocate for the pro-life position. You can view their site here: https://www.secularprolife.org/

Even though it isn't necessary to be a Christian to become enlightened with pro-life views, it sure helps, especially with all the pro-abortion propaganda out there that is making people think murder is okay.

JohnAshton · Nov 1, 2019

Rev Life said:
No, you made the assertion, so you prove it.

JohnAshton said:
Nope, Rev Life, you made the assertion, you support it. No one has to rebut it until you do that. Prove your own case.

You wrote earlier than I that "Can you provide evidence that making abortion illegal won't reduce the number of overall abortions?"

Since you can't or won't support your assertion, that assertion fails.

Abortion is not murder.

Rev Life · Nov 1, 2019

JohnAshton said:
You wrote earlier than I that "Can you provide evidence that making abortion illegal won't reduce the number of overall abortions?"

Since you can't or won't support your assertion, that assertion fails.

Abortion is not murder.

Nope. Since you won't support your assertion, your assertion fails.

JackRT · Nov 1, 2019

seeking.IAM said:
But, hey, he's against abortion so the Evangelical Religious Right turns its collective head with some thinking he is appointed by God.

His abortion stance is for all intents and purposes is a pro-choice stance. It is not nearly as comprehensive or as absolute as some on the right might think.

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