Is earthly Jerusalem the "great city" in the Book of Revelation?

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So if Israel always means the people of God then you believe thisabout the church which is now the people of God.

Romans 11:

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

So the people of God has not obtained but someone else has??

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

The people of God have been cast away for some one else??

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

So part of the church is in blindness.

OK then!

YOu seem to forget that Israel is based on being a descendant of Abraham Isaac and Jacob!

YOu are no more an Israeli than th emoon is made of cottage cheese!


Why did you ignore Romans 11:1-5, where Paul calls himself an Israelite, even after his conversion, and talks about the faithful remnant of Israelites during the time of Elijah, and during Paul's time?

Rom 11:1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom 11:2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 "LORD, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS AND TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY SEEK MY LIFE"?
Rom 11:4 But what does the divine response say to him? "I HAVE RESERVED FOR MYSELF SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL."
Rom 11:5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


On the Day of Pentecost about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ.
The Gentiles were grafted in several years later.

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."


The Dispensationalist's attempts to keep the Church and faithful Israel separated fall apart in the passages above.

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Well we agree! But you also neglect to remember that Paul in speaking of the covenants God made with Abraham- the Old Covenant which came over 400 years later cannot disannul! Even Jesus promised a Jewish kingdom on earth where the apostles would sit on 12 thrones judging (ruling) the 12 tribes!

On which earth?

The answer is found in Hebrews 11:15-16?

Those same twelve tribes were addressed by James, in his letter to the early Church.

Jas 1:1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,
Jas 1:3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.


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Brian Mcnamee said:
After the 1000 years the beast is still in the flames and Satan is loosed to gather one last rebellion and fire comes down from heaven and that is it.
The fire comes at the return of Christ in the passage below.
2Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
Joseph Canfield : Neither City Nor Land Are Holy!
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Great link BAB!
"Neither City Nor Land Are Holy!"

The phrase "holy city" is used in only 11 verses in the Bible.....

Neh 11:1
Now the leaders of the people lived in Jerusalem. And the rest of the people cast lots to bring one out of ten to live in Jerusalem the holy city, while nine out of ten[fn] remained in the other towns.
Neh 11:18
All the Levites in the holy city were 284.

Isa 48:2
For they call themselves after the holy city, and stay themselves on the God of Israel; the LORD of hosts is his name.
Isa 52:1
Awake, awake,put on your strength, O Zion; put on your beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city; for there shall no more come into you the uncircumcised and the unclean.

Dan 9:24
“Seventy weeks[fn] are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.[fn]
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2 verses in the Gospels, both in Matthew.......This indeed warrants a deeper study.

Mat 4:5
Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
Mat 27:53
They came out of the tombs after Jesus' resurrection and[fn] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
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4 verses in Revelation.

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY

Revelation 11:2 and the Court/fold<833> without of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out!<1544> out-side, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Nations and they shall be trampling<3961> the holy City forty two months.[Revelation 11:2]
Luke 21:24 “And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. [Revelation 13:10]
And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” [Revelation 11:2]
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Rev 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:10
And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,
Rev 22:19
and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
 
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What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY


Rev 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
Rev 11:2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.


Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.


Rev 11:3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.
Rev 11:7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.
Rev 11:10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
Rev 11:11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.
Rev 11:13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.
Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"
Rev 11:16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God,
Rev 11:17 saying: "We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."
Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

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Rev 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
Rev 11:2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.

Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

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It is "cast out" not "leave out".......look at the Greek...

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY
Once again, the word "Temple" is not in Revelation.......
Perhaps that is why Futurists and Dispenstionalist misinterpret Revelation............
Get a version that accurately renders the Greek........;)
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Luke 21:24 “And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. [Revelation 13:10]
And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” [Revelation 11:2]


Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833>[Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.

And the holy City they shall be trampling<3961> forty two months.

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It is "cast out" not "leave out".......look at the Greek...

That is one of the English translations of the word.



G1544
ἐκβάλλω
ekballō
ek-bal'-lo
From G1537 and G906; to eject (literally or figuratively): - bring forth, cast (forth, out), drive (out), expel, leave, pluck (pull, take, thrust) out, put forth (out), send away (forth, out).
Total KJV occurrences: 82


That Greek word is used 82 times in the KJV.
Are all of those a reference to 70 AD.


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That is one of the English translations of the word.
G1544

That Greek word is used 82 times in the KJV.
Are all of those a reference to 70 AD.

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I am not going to battle you on the Greek BAB.

The same form of that Greek word G1544 is used in only 2 verses, [G1544 also used for Adam being thrust out of the Garden]


Genesis 3:24 And He is casting-Out the 'adam,
[LXX] Gene 3:24 kai ecebalen/#1544 01644 garash ton Adam
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Surprise, surprise.............

Galatians 4:30
But what/any is saying the Scripture 'be Casting-Out/ekbale<ἔκβαλε<1544> (5628) the maid-servant and the son of her, for not no shall be tenanting/inheriting the son of the maid-servant with the son of the freeone.

Revelation 11:2
and the court/fold, outside of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out/ekbale<ἔκβαλε<1544> (5628)! out-side, and thou mayest not be measuring her, that she was given to the nations, and the holy city they shall be trampling forty and two months

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY

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I am not going to battle you on the Greek BAB.

The same form of that Greek word G1544 is used in only 2 verses, [G1544 also used for Adam being thrust out of the Garden]


Genesis 3:24 And He is casting-Out the 'adam,
[LXX] Gene 3:24 kai ecebalen/#1544 01644 garash ton Adam
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Surprise, surprise.............


It is a surprise, since the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew.



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It is a surprise, since the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew.
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I meant these 2 verses............The Greek word is still "cast out"


It appears to be 1st century OC Herod's Temple Court of the Priests!!!.
The Court outside the Sanctuary also included the Altar of Sacrifice......

Galatians 4:30
But what/any is saying the Scripture 'be Casting-Out/ekbale<ἔκβαλε<1544> (5628) the maid-servant and the son of her, for not no shall be tenanting/inheriting the son of the maid-servant with the son of the freeone.

Revelation 11:2
and the Court<833>, outside of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out/ekbale<ἔκβαλε<1544> (5628)! out-side, and thou mayest not be measuring her, that she was given to the nations, and the holy city they shall be trampling forty and two months

Matthew 26:3 Then were gathered together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, to the Court<833> of the chief priest who was called Caiaphas
G833 αὐλή, -ῆς, ἡ, (ἄω to blow; hence) properly, a place open to the air (διαπνεόμενος τόπος αὐλὴ λέγεται, Athen. 5, 15, p. 189 b.);
1. among the Greeks in Homer's time an uncovered space around the house, enclosed by a wall, in which the stables stood (Homer, Odyssey 9, 185; Iliad 4, 433); hence, among the Orientals that roofless enclosure in the open country in which flocks were herded at night, a sheepfold: John 10:1, 16.
2. the uncovered court-yard of the house, Hebrew חָצֵר, the Sept. αὐλή, Vulg. atrium. In the O. T. particularly of the courts of the tabernacle and of the temple at Jerusalem; so in the N. T. once: Revelation 11:2 (τὴν αὐλὴν τήν ἔξωθεν [Rec.st ἔσωθεν] τοῦ ναοῦ). The dwellings of the higher classes usually had two αὐλαί, one exterior, between the door and the street, called also προαύλιον (which see); the other interior, surrounded by the buildings of the dwelling itself. The latter is mentioned Matthew 26:69 (where ἔξω is opposed to the room in which the judges were sitting); Mark 14:66; Luke 22:55. Cf. Winers RWB under the word Häuser; [B. D. American edition under the word Court; BB. DD. under the word House].
3. the house itself, a palace: Matthew 26:3, 58; Mark 14:54; Mark 15:16; Luke 11:21; John 18:15, and so very often in Greek writings from Homer, Odyssey 4, 74 down [cf. Eustathius 1483, 39 τῷ τῆς αὐλῆς ὀνόματι τὰ δώματα δηλοῖ, Suidas col. 652 c. αὐλή· ἡ τοῦ βασιλέως οἰκία. Yet this sense is denied to the N. T. by Meyer neuter plural; see Meyer on Matthew, the passage cited].
Studies In The Scriptures - Tabernacle Shadows - Chapter 1
The Camp--The Gate--
The Court--The Bronze Altar--The Water Laver
The Tabernacle--
The First Veil--
The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--
The Second Veil
The Mercy Seat and Ark--
The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

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Galatians 4:30
But what/any is saying the Scripture 'be Casting-Out/ekbale<ἔκβαλε<1544> (5628) the maid-servant and the son of her, for not no shall be tenanting/inheriting the son of the maid-servant with the son of the freeone.

Galatians 4:24-31 proves the Old Covenant was not still in effect between the cross, and 70 AD.


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BABerean2 said:
Rev 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
Rev 11:2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.
Galatians 4:24-31 proves the Old Covenant was not still in effect between the cross, and 70 AD.
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Deflection.
Are you willing to admit that Revelation 11:2 uses "cast out outside" in it instead of "leave out" ? And Sanctuary instead of Temple? Yes or no.........

Galatians 4:30
But what/any is saying the Scripture 'be Casting-Out/ekbale<ἔκβαλε<1544> (5628) the maid-servant and the son of her, for not no shall be tenanting/inheriting the son of the maid-servant with the son of the freeone.

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY

As I have just shown, the word "Temple" is never once used in Revelation.
Use a better Bible version like YLT which renders words lie Age, Land/World, Gehenna, Temple, Sanctuary more accurately.
G1544 ἔκβαλε
Second Aorist Imperative{!} Active
2nd Person Singular

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Revelation 11:2

and the Court<833> outside of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out!/ekbale<ἔκβαλε<1544> (5628) out-side,
and thou mayest not be measuring her, that she was given to the nations, and the holy city they shall be trampling forty and two months
Mat 7:5 - “Hypocrite! First be removing/ Casting-Out!/ekbale<ἔκβαλε<1544> (5628) the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Matthew 26:3 Then were gathered together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, to the Court<833> of the chief priest who was called Caiaphas

G1544

ἐκβάλλω; imperfect 3 person plural ἐξέβαλλον (Mark 6:13 (Tr marginal reading aorist)); future ἐκβάλω; pluperfect ἐκβεβλήκειν (without augment, Mark 16:9; cf. Winers Grammar, § 12, 9; Buttmann, 33 (29)); 2 aorist ἐξέβαλον; (passive and middle present ἐκβάλλομαι); 1 aorist passive ἐξεβλήθην; future passive ἐκβληθήσομαι; (from Homer down); the Sept. generally for גָּרַשׁ, occasionally for הוצִיא, הורִישׁ, הִשְׁלִיך; to cast out; to drive out; to send out;
1. with the included notion of more or less violence;
a. to drive out, (cast out): a person, Matthew 21:12; Mark 9:15; John 2:15 (ἐκ); Luke 20:12, etc.; passive Matthew 8:12 (T WH (rejected) marginal reading ἐξελεύσονται); δαιμόνια, Matthew 7:22; Matthew 8:16, 31; Matthew 9:33; Mark 1:34, 39; Luke 11:20; Luke 13:32, etc.; ἐκ τίνος, Mark 7:26; ἀπό, Mark 16:9 (L WH Tr text παρά); ἐν τίνι, by, through (Winer's Grammar, 389 (364)), Matthew 9:34; Matthew 12:24, 27; Mark 3:22; Luke 11:15, 19f; τῷ ὀνόματι τίνος, Matthew 7:22; (Mark 9:38 Rst G); ἐπί τῷ ὀνόματι τίνος, Luke 9:49 (WH Tr marginal reading ἐν; ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Mark 9:38 Relz L T Tr WH); λόγῳ, Matthew 8:16; τινα ἔξω τῆς πόλεως, Luke 4:29; Acts 7:58.
b. to cast out: τινα followed by ἔξω, John 6:37; John 9:34; John 12:31 (namely, out of the world, i. e. be deprived of the power and influence he exercises in the world); Luke 13:28; ἔξω with the genitive, Matthew 21:39; Mark 12:8; Luke 20:15. a thing: excrement from the belly into the sink, Matthew 15:17; middle ἐκβαλλόμενοι (i. e. for themselves, that they might the more easily save the ship and thereby their lives) τόν σῖτον εἰς τήν θάλασσαν, Acts 27:38.
c. to expel a person from a society: to banish from a family, Galatians 4:30 (Genesis 21:10); ἐκ (Tdf. omits ἐκ) τῆς ἐκκλησίας, 3 John 1:10.
d. to compel one to depart: ἀπό τῶν ὁρίων, Acts 13:50; to bid one depart, in stern though not violent language, Matthew 9:25; Mark 5:40; Acts 9:40; Acts 16:37 (where distinguished from ἐξάγειν); to bid one go forth to do some business, Matthew 9:38; Luke 10:2.


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Deflection.
Are you willing to admit that Revelation 11:2 uses "cast out outside" in it instead of "leave out" ? And Sanctuary instead of Temple? Yes or no.........

The word "Deflection" is not found in the text of Revelation chapter 11.

Please compare your translation of the Greek, with others found below.


Revelation 11:2

(CJB) But the court outside the Temple, leave that out; don't measure it; because it has been given to the Goyim, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months.

(ESV) but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.

(Geneva) But the court which is without the temple cast out, and mete it not: for it is giuen vnto the Gentiles, and the holy citie shall they treade vnder foote, two and fourtie moneths.

(Greek NT TR) και την αυλην την εξωθεν του ναου εκβαλε εξω και μη αυτην μετρησης οτι εδοθη τοις εθνεσιν και την πολιν την αγιαν πατησουσιν μηνας τεσσαρακοντα δυο

(GW) But do not measure the temple courtyard. Leave that out, because it is given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.

(LITV-TSP) And cast aside the outside court of the temple, and do not measure it. For it was given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city forty two months.

(KJV) But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

(KJV+) ButG2532 theG3588 courtG833 which is withoutG1855 theG3588 templeG3485 leaveG1544 out,G1854 andG2532 measureG3354 itG846 not;G3361 forG3754 it is givenG1325 unto theG3588 Gentiles:G1484 andG2532 theG3588 holyG40 cityG4172 shall they tread under footG3961 forty and twoG5062 G1417 months.G3376

(NKJV) But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.

(NLT) But do not measure the outer courtyard, for it has been turned over to the nations. They will trample the holy city for 42 months.

(YLT) and the court that is without the sanctuary leave out, and thou mayest not measure it, because it was given to the nations, and the holy city they shall tread down forty-two months;

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The word "Deflection" is not found in the text of Revelation chapter 11.

Please compare your translation of the Greek, with others found below.
I'll go round and round with this as long as you want..........

LittleLambofJesus said:
Once again, the word "Temple" is not in Revelation.......

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then I was given a measuring reed like a rod, with these words: "Go and measure God's sanctuary and the altar, and count those who worship there.
Weymouth New Testament
Then a reed was given me to serve as a measuring rod; and a voice said, "Rise, and measure God's Sanctuary--and the altar--and count the worshipers who are in it.
Young's Literal Translation
And there was given to me a reed like to a rod, and the messenger stood, saying, 'Rise, and measure the Sanctuary of God, and the altar, and those worshipping in it;

STRONGS NT 3485: ναός
ναός, ναοῦ, ὁ (ναίω to dwell), the Sept. for הֵיכָל, used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of holies (in classical Greek used of the sanctuary or cell of a temple, where the image of the god was placed, called also δόμος, σηκός, which is to be distinguished from τό ἱερόν, the whole temple, the entire consecrated enclosure; this distinction is observed also in the Bible; see ἱερόν, p.
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G1544 ἔκβαλε
Second Aorist Imperative{!} Active
2nd Person Singular

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Revelation 11:2

and the Court<833> outside of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out!/ekbale<ἔκβαλε<1544> (5628) out-side,
and thou mayest not be measuring her, that she was given to the nations, and the holy city they shall be trampling forty and two months
Mat 7:5 - “Hypocrite! First be removing/ Casting-Out!/ekbale<ἔκβαλε<1544> (5628) the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Matthew 26:3 Then were gathered together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, to the Court<833> of the chief priest who was called Caiaphas

G1544

ἐκβάλλω; imperfect 3 person plural ἐξέβαλλον (Mark 6:13 (Tr marginal reading aorist)); future ἐκβάλω; pluperfect ἐκβεβλήκειν (without augment, Mark 16:9; cf. Winers Grammar, § 12, 9; Buttmann, 33 (29)); 2 aorist ἐξέβαλον; (passive and middle present ἐκβάλλομαι); 1 aorist passive ἐξεβλήθην; future passive ἐκβληθήσομαι; (from Homer down); the Sept. generally for גָּרַשׁ, occasionally for הוצִיא, הורִישׁ, הִשְׁלִיך; to cast out; to drive out; to send out;
1. with the included notion of more or less violence;
a. to drive out, (cast out): a person, Matthew 21:12; Mark 9:15; John 2:15 (ἐκ); Luke 20:12, etc.; passive Matthew 8:12 (T WH (rejected) marginal reading ἐξελεύσονται); δαιμόνια, Matthew 7:22; Matthew 8:16, 31; Matthew 9:33; Mark 1:34, 39; Luke 11:20; Luke 13:32, etc.; ἐκ τίνος, Mark 7:26; ἀπό, Mark 16:9 (L WH Tr text παρά); ἐν τίνι, by, through (Winer's Grammar, 389 (364)), Matthew 9:34; Matthew 12:24, 27; Mark 3:22; Luke 11:15, 19f; τῷ ὀνόματι τίνος, Matthew 7:22; (Mark 9:38 Rst G); ἐπί τῷ ὀνόματι τίνος, Luke 9:49 (WH Tr marginal reading ἐν; ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Mark 9:38 Relz L T Tr WH); λόγῳ, Matthew 8:16; τινα ἔξω τῆς πόλεως, Luke 4:29; Acts 7:58.
 
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I'll go round and round with this as long as you want..........


No matter how many rounds we go, it will not erase the verse found below.


Revelation 11:19

(CJB) Then the Temple of God in heaven was opened, and the Ark of the Covenant was seen in his Temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake and violent hail.

(ESV) Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.

(Geneva) Then the Temple of God was opened in heauen, and there was seene in his Temple the Arke of his couenant: and there were lightnings, and voyces, and thundrings, and earthquake, and much haile.

(Greek NT TR) και ηνοιγη ο ναος του θεου εν τω ουρανω και ωφθη η κιβωτος της διαθηκης αυτου εν τω ναω αυτου και εγενοντο αστραπαι και φωναι και βρονται και σεισμος και χαλαζα μεγαλη

(GW) God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his promise was seen inside his temple. There was lightning, noise, thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.

(LITV-TSP) And the temple of God in Heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple, and lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and earthquake, and a great hail occurred.

(KJV) And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

(KJV+) AndG2532 theG3588 templeG3485 of GodG2316 was openedG455 inG1722 heaven,G3772 andG2532 there was seenG3700 inG1722 hisG848 templeG3485 theG3588 arkG2787 of hisG848 testament:G1242 andG2532 there wereG1096 lightnings,G796 andG2532 voices,G5456 andG2532 thunderings,G1027 andG2532 an earthquake,G4578 andG2532 greatG3173 hail.G5464

(NKJV) Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

(NLT) Then, in heaven, the Temple of God was opened and the Ark of his covenant could be seen inside the Temple. Lightning flashed, thunder crashed and roared, and there was an earthquake and a terrible hailstorm.

(YLT) And opened was the sanctuary of God in the heaven, and there was seen the ark of His covenant in His sanctuary, and there did come lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.

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No matter how many rounds we go, it will not erase the verse found below.

Revelation 11:19
(YLT) And opened was the sanctuary of God in the heaven, and there was seen the ark of His covenant in His sanctuary, and there did come lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.
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YLT got it right.............:oldthumbsup:
Same word used in Revelation 11:1-2.........

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833>[Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
And the holy City they shall be trampling<3961> forty two months

The Geneva Bibleh has "cast out"

(Geneva) But the court which is without the temple cast out, and mete it not: for it is giuen vnto the Gentiles, and the holy citie shall they treade vnder foote, two and fourtie moneths.
 
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And it proves the sanctuary is in heaven. :oldthumbsup:
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There is both an earthly one and heavenly one :oldthumbsup:

This is Herod's Temple, the earthly one............where the earthly Sanctuary was located[see it in the picture]

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833>[Priests/Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1855> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
And the holy City they shall be treading<3961>forty two months.

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There is both an earthly one and heavenly one


Is Earthly Jerusalem described as the "holy city", or the "heavenly city" in Revelation 11:8?

Or, is Earthly Jerusalem described as "the great city", which spiritually is like Sodom and Egypt, in Revelation chapter 11?
The answer is found below?

Rev 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
Rev 11:2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.
Rev 11:7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.
Rev 11:10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
Rev 11:11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.
Rev 11:13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.
Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"
Rev 11:16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God,
Rev 11:17 saying: "We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."
Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.


The holy city in the Book of Revelation is found below.

Rev_21:2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
 
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