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Perhaps. Although, unlike my fellow Christians of whatever stripe they be, I'm not one to quickly feel that I can just pin down more than a small handful of the dozens upon dozens of apocalyptic metaphors we find strewn throughout the Bible. So, I'm not going to be so keen to jump to any conclusions about the nature of various anti-christs who manifest or have already manifest over the past 2,000 years. I'm not sure we'll know 'who' the Last One will be, although like other Christians, I do 'feel' something is rather odd and moving about in the World.Well said. I agree with 90% of what you said there. God does want us to know who the LAST antichrist is though so we need to study Bible prophecy and be aware of what is going on.
The Exile and Return of the Israelite Remnant from Babylon can very well be seen as a fulfillment of prophecy, but where I may differ is that I see don't see 'fulfillment' as necessarily, in all cases, merely one-offs, but the presence of God's patterning for how He'll continually address and judge various shortcomings He may find among His people(s). So, just because the Return from Exile is a fulfillment doesn't mean that wasn't to be any other fulfillments of the same pattern.I believe God already fulfilled the promise to bring them back into the land as that prophecy was given before they returned from Babylon as many other prophecies were fulfilled that many are putting 2,000 years into the future.
.... maybe. But I think that the flow and wording of Leviticus 26, especially in verses 43-46 may, at the least, leave a small loophole for God to just do what He wants out of mercy---just 'because' He's God. But, who knows for sure? It might turn out that you're right. It's just that I don't want to jump to any conclusions one way or another. At least not yet. I'm not one to sit on the edge of the couch like I'm watching a football game, just hoping to see the other team fall to defeat.Other things to note, God never brought them back into the land unless there was national repentance first.
Yeah, I understand that they keep moving goalpost, which is one reason I like to take a more casual, less certain, more widely hermeneutical approach to my study of God's Word and not try to force-fit sacred apocalyptic literature into some kind of preconceived time-table. As you know, some Christians do, and then when it all falls apart, they make Christians look like laughing-stocks. I'd rather keep the outside laughing down to a low roar, if possible.All of a sudden dispensationalists reject this fact. Under their view, not yours, their pre-trib rapture had to take place before 1988 came if 1948 is truly God's work. They keep moving the goalpost back because something is wrong with their theology.
Yeah, I can understand all of that, too. And there are the various human rights issues that are all tied up into this whole thing, on both sides really, so it's a mess for everyone.Repentance never happened. AS a matter of fact ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians immediately started under Menachin Began (spelling?) as soon as the Balfour Declaration became a reality. They went from losing 52% of their land overnight to now about 85%. Many are Christians over there. Israel is now the gay capital of the world so either one of God's attributes, Immutability (unchanging), is now no longer true or we are seeing things wrong. Israel per capita is also possibly the biggest abortion country now too.
Then we have the problem with their DNA. Only 5% to 12% are even considered DNA Jews so which Jews are we talking about- the ones Paul called Jews (ones circumcised in heart who really are the ones going to inherit the land as we will even judge angels) or modern theology? Check out Dr. Elkan's DNA testing. He is a Jewish DNA scientist. Then we have the modern state of Israel actually rejecting the migration of true Ethiopian Jews because they are black. the whole thing reeks with scam to me.
What do I think? Hermenuetically speaking, I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that I think those verses in those passages pertain to fulfillments of God's Patterned Blessings and Curses that were appropriate at that time. This isn't to say that they were the only fulfillments of those patterns.My final thoughts:
What do you think of this passage as to me it says God fuliflled His promises to the natural seed already.
God DID fulfil ALL His promises to Israel? - Joshua 21:45 Not one of the good promises which the LORD had made to the house of Israel failed; all came to pass. Joshua 23:14 "Now behold, today I am going the way of all the earth, and you know in all your hearts and in all your souls that not one word of all the good words which the LORD your God spoke concerning you has failed; all have been fulfilled for you, not one of them has failed. 1 Kings 8:56 "Blessed be the LORD, who has given rest to His people Israel, according to all that He promised; not one word has failed of all His good promise, which He promised through Moses His servant.
The way I read it is that Jesus was saying that by the refusal that some of His fellow Jewish folks continued to express in rejecting Him as Messiah, they were setting themselves up for judgment, and moreover, the 'Good News' of the New Covenant would be ALSO carried out (as originally intended anyway) to the Gentiles of the nations as well as to those fellow Jews living abroad in the Diaspora who were destined to become Christians.What did Jesus mean by this?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Fortunately, I've never simply gone with the word of a singular pastor, so I can't say I know what it is like to be prone to their 'secret keeping.'The word nation here in the Koine greek is "pagan heathen Gentile".
Finally:
Most Jews (?) in America reject what is going on in Israel today and even those claiming to be Jewish in israel, there are many who reject what they are doing. Some rabbis actually protest with the Palestinians. These are secrets our pastors never cared to mention when teaching the dispensational view as it creates many problems.
God Bless.
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