Future New World Order One World Government...in the Bible?

Is a future NWO biblical?

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Well said. I agree with 90% of what you said there. God does want us to know who the LAST antichrist is though so we need to study Bible prophecy and be aware of what is going on.
Perhaps. Although, unlike my fellow Christians of whatever stripe they be, I'm not one to quickly feel that I can just pin down more than a small handful of the dozens upon dozens of apocalyptic metaphors we find strewn throughout the Bible. So, I'm not going to be so keen to jump to any conclusions about the nature of various anti-christs who manifest or have already manifest over the past 2,000 years. I'm not sure we'll know 'who' the Last One will be, although like other Christians, I do 'feel' something is rather odd and moving about in the World. ;)

I believe God already fulfilled the promise to bring them back into the land as that prophecy was given before they returned from Babylon as many other prophecies were fulfilled that many are putting 2,000 years into the future.
The Exile and Return of the Israelite Remnant from Babylon can very well be seen as a fulfillment of prophecy, but where I may differ is that I see don't see 'fulfillment' as necessarily, in all cases, merely one-offs, but the presence of God's patterning for how He'll continually address and judge various shortcomings He may find among His people(s). So, just because the Return from Exile is a fulfillment doesn't mean that wasn't to be any other fulfillments of the same pattern.

Other things to note, God never brought them back into the land unless there was national repentance first.
.... maybe. But I think that the flow and wording of Leviticus 26, especially in verses 43-46 may, at the least, leave a small loophole for God to just do what He wants out of mercy---just 'because' He's God. But, who knows for sure? It might turn out that you're right. It's just that I don't want to jump to any conclusions one way or another. At least not yet. I'm not one to sit on the edge of the couch like I'm watching a football game, just hoping to see the other team fall to defeat.

All of a sudden dispensationalists reject this fact. Under their view, not yours, their pre-trib rapture had to take place before 1988 came if 1948 is truly God's work. They keep moving the goalpost back because something is wrong with their theology.
Yeah, I understand that they keep moving goalpost, which is one reason I like to take a more casual, less certain, more widely hermeneutical approach to my study of God's Word and not try to force-fit sacred apocalyptic literature into some kind of preconceived time-table. As you know, some Christians do, and then when it all falls apart, they make Christians look like laughing-stocks. I'd rather keep the outside laughing down to a low roar, if possible.

Repentance never happened. AS a matter of fact ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians immediately started under Menachin Began (spelling?) as soon as the Balfour Declaration became a reality. They went from losing 52% of their land overnight to now about 85%. Many are Christians over there. Israel is now the gay capital of the world so either one of God's attributes, Immutability (unchanging), is now no longer true or we are seeing things wrong. Israel per capita is also possibly the biggest abortion country now too.
Then we have the problem with their DNA. Only 5% to 12% are even considered DNA Jews so which Jews are we talking about- the ones Paul called Jews (ones circumcised in heart who really are the ones going to inherit the land as we will even judge angels) or modern theology? Check out Dr. Elkan's DNA testing. He is a Jewish DNA scientist. Then we have the modern state of Israel actually rejecting the migration of true Ethiopian Jews because they are black. the whole thing reeks with scam to me.
Yeah, I can understand all of that, too. And there are the various human rights issues that are all tied up into this whole thing, on both sides really, so it's a mess for everyone.

My final thoughts:
What do you think of this passage as to me it says God fuliflled His promises to the natural seed already.
God DID fulfil ALL His promises to Israel? - Joshua 21:45 Not one of the good promises which the LORD had made to the house of Israel failed; all came to pass. Joshua 23:14 "Now behold, today I am going the way of all the earth, and you know in all your hearts and in all your souls that not one word of all the good words which the LORD your God spoke concerning you has failed; all have been fulfilled for you, not one of them has failed. 1 Kings 8:56 "Blessed be the LORD, who has given rest to His people Israel, according to all that He promised; not one word has failed of all His good promise, which He promised through Moses His servant.
What do I think? Hermenuetically speaking, I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that I think those verses in those passages pertain to fulfillments of God's Patterned Blessings and Curses that were appropriate at that time. This isn't to say that they were the only fulfillments of those patterns.

What did Jesus mean by this?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
The way I read it is that Jesus was saying that by the refusal that some of His fellow Jewish folks continued to express in rejecting Him as Messiah, they were setting themselves up for judgment, and moreover, the 'Good News' of the New Covenant would be ALSO carried out (as originally intended anyway) to the Gentiles of the nations as well as to those fellow Jews living abroad in the Diaspora who were destined to become Christians.

The word nation here in the Koine greek is "pagan heathen Gentile".

Finally:
Most Jews (?) in America reject what is going on in Israel today and even those claiming to be Jewish in israel, there are many who reject what they are doing. Some rabbis actually protest with the Palestinians. These are secrets our pastors never cared to mention when teaching the dispensational view as it creates many problems.

God Bless.
Fortunately, I've never simply gone with the word of a singular pastor, so I can't say I know what it is like to be prone to their 'secret keeping.' ;)
 
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I'm 4% Ashkenazi by the way. I could care less about my jewish or italian heritage. God looks at the heart. Always has. He rejected most of the Israelites under the old covenant (only 2 entered the promised land) and many other times He rejected NATURAL Israelis but always grafted in Gentiles under the old covenant. it all came down to if you truly followed Yahweh under the Old and Jesus under the New if you were a true Jew. The bride of Christ is now being replaced with a fake bride that still curses the name of Jesus. That is the replacement theology we are really dealing with today. I'm talking of course modern day Judaism and the witchcraft side of Kabbalah. Not all Jews hold to this. About 50% are irreligious or atheist nowadays according to their own newspapers. I guess you can be an atheist and still be God's people if you are Jewish but if a Gentile you are not? Pope Francis agrees to that.
Indeed He does!

3629 kilyah k feminine of 3627 (only in the plural); a kidney (as an essential organ); figuratively, the mind (as the interior self):--kidneys, reins.

Jeremiah 17:10 I Yahweh, searching heart, examining the affections/kidneys<3629 kilyah>
and giving to man ways of him, as fruit of his doings. [Revelation 2:23]

Kindgdom Bible Studies Revelation Series

Revelation 2
“These things saith the Son of God, who hath His eyes like unto a flame of fire, and His feet are like fine brass; .............
The church in Thyatira has a longer message delivered to it from Jesus Christ than any of the seven churches,
3510. nephros of uncertain affinity; a kidney (plural), i.e. (figuratively) the inmost mind:--reins.

Revelation 2:23
And the offspring of Her[Jezebel] I shall be killing in death, and shall be knowing all the Out-Calleds that I AM HE searching kidneys/nefrouV <3510> and hearts
and I shall be giving to Ye each according to the works of Ye. [Jeremiah 17:10]

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Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.


"That is why Christ comes back with church age saints to Armageddon to destroy Israel’s enemies and raise them up as a nation under God Joel 3; Zechariah 14 and Revelation 16:16.

Then will Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-12 be fulfilled."


2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.



Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.




The New Covenant: Bob George



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baberean2,

1. John 10:16 is really talking about my about Israel and Judah because they are the two sticks that have to become one Ezekiel 37:16-28 not the church. They have to have one shepherd and be one fold. Understand correct Bible context.
If it meant the church then we are already one fold with the Jews. But we are not with the nation of Israel for the are backslidden. But you won’t say nothing to this because you jus refer to Jews loosely as a remnant or in the body of Christ.
You don’t look at the nation itself having a specific covenant without being under the auspices of the church which is the body of Christ.. There is no scriptual context for that.

2. 2 Corinthians 3:6 and Hebrews 8:5 has nothing to do with the time factor of the whole nation of Israel receiving the NC.
It has to do with all men, both Jew and Gentile receiving the NC under the church age John 3:16.
The only link for the Jew is there was a remnant of grace of Jews so the nation would still have an identity for the future purpose after 70 A.D, to 1948 and to the last days.

3. Once again you are wrong and the only thing you keep proving is that you will not answer to my rebuttals with scriptures and that you will not admit that your position is wrong and that you continue to misrepresent Dispensationalism.

4. How do you refute 2 Samuel 7:1-8; 1 Chronicles 28:13-16 about Israel’s unconditional Davidic Covenant about the Kingdom as I have shown time and time again without spiritualizing your spiritual Jew theory?
Isaiah 66:8 and 12; how do you rebut scripturally without spiritualizing your spiritual Jew theory about the dna of Israel and its posterity inheriting it’s promised land in the future with David as their future King to whom the promise was made?

5. I’ve already dealt with the Jeremiah passage and it’s context.
All you can do is disagree, use circular reasoning, spiritualize, exegete scripture context wrong and it’s time factors as well.
6. As long as you rob Israel of its gifts and callings in your post and position you will never come to the truth.
As long as you replace the church in Israel place in your post and position you will continue to do a great disservice to correct Biblical exegesis and God’s promises which are Amen and Amen.

7. As far as pre-Trib how do you answer to the feast order that cannot be changed?
I’ve given you three questions; can you answer any of them because you haven’t yet. Jerry Kelso
 
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Hi Jerry,
I noticed you are unwilling to answer my ONE question as Ice and thousands of others refuse to try. I feel like I am talking to Hebrew Roots people sometimes but on a different topic. Why? When it comes down to it, I ask them one simple question, "Is the apostle Paul a false prophet?" I finally had one seething with hostility say yes, and only two others answered me and said Peter said Paul said hard things to understand and you non-hebrew roots people just don't get it. But the many tohers were unwilling to answer it.

You threw out a lot of red herrings but refuse to answer the pre-trib rapture challenge question. I'm okay with you believing in a pre-trib rapture. I know you are 1,000% wrong (that's how sure I am of it being false) as it is eisogesis and I have easily shown it isn't true. But you sound pretty sound in the faith so a pre-trib rapture not happening probably will not effect you. But the countless lukewarm Christians who are banking on it, had they known it was a false doctrine, may have searched their hearts to make sure they are right with God and then would have the strength to not be deceived and the strength to endure great persecution. Jesus said He personally would spit out the lukewarm. Do you believe this? How about answering my question? Is it because like I said it creates an obvious logical fallacy and God's word cannot lie? The underlying Greek brings out everything I am saying also. God Bless brother! Just sharpening people's iron out there. WE need to question all this end times stuff. It is very different than what the early church taught and what the Protestant Reformers beleived. It is a new-fangled thing.


sacred cow tipper,

1. I already refuted your position and you couldn’t rebut it. All you can do is disagree and say I am throwing out red herrings.
Your accusations are very disingenuous.

2. Why do you think Paul was a false apostle?
Even to think that shows how little knowledge you have in Exegesis or scholarship of the word.
If you would like to amuse me give me your answer to why Paul was a false apostle.

3. If you were a 1000% sure I was wrong then why could you not rebut what I said about the pre-Tribute rapture according to the feasts of the Lord?

4. If you’re lukewarm God will spit you out.
Two they are not sold out to God and three they don’t know the word.
We are to be ready to give our lives at any time for the sake of the call right now and millions do around the world.
There are plenty people who have been persecuted in other countries and come to America and said it was worse hear because of sexual demons and other things. They said they would rather be in persecution again because at least they had each other in the faith in close relation. Satan likes to use deception that many never think of.

5. You are relying on wrong early church teachers and reformers on these subjects.

6 Also, I believe you are still using that same argument about pre-tribbers and the date setting nonsense such as what you accused Hal Lindsey after I corrected you and told what he really said. That is disingenuous as well.
Why is that? Jerry Kelso
 
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baberean2,

1. John 10:16 is really talking about my about Israel and Judah because they are the two sticks that have to become one Ezekiel 37:16-28 not the church. They have to have one shepherd and be one fold. Understand correct Bible context.
Jerry, I agree with BaB on this issue. It is you that doesn't understand the Bible truth about who is the Israel of God.

The true Christian Ecclesia is Israel:
Those believers who love the Lord and keep His commandments, that is: every faithful Christian person are designated by God to be Israelites. Galatians 6:14-16 The New Testament writings are clear: there is only one Israel, who are the only one Church, only one elect, be they Jew or Gentile by birth.

1/ Israel, the chosen people of God: Exodus 15:13, Deuteronomy 33:3, Ezra 3:11

Christians, chosen of God: Romans 9:25, Ephesians 5:1, Col. 3:12, 1 John 3:1, Rev. 7:9

2/ Israel, the children of God: Deut. 14:1, Isaiah 1:2-4, Isaiah 63:8, Hosea 11:1

Christians, the children of God: John 1:12, Romans 8:14-16, Galatians 4:5-7, 1 John 3:1

3/ Israel, the scattered sheep of God: Psalms 78:52, Isaiah 40:11, Jer. 23:1-4, Ezekiel 34:12

Christians, His sheep: among the nations: John 10:14-16, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 2:25

4/ Israel, God’s household: Hebrews 3:5, 1 Chronicles 29:14-18

Christians are God’s household: Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 10:20-21, I Timothy 3:15, 1 Cor.3:9

5/ Israel are the priests of God: Exodus 19:6, Deuteronomy 27:9

Christians are the priests of God: Isaiah 66:21, 1 Peter 2:5-9, Rev. 1:6, Revelation 5:10

6/ Israel is the bride of God: Isaiah 54:5-6, Jeremiah 2:2, Ezekiel 16:32, Hosea 1:2

Christians are the bride of Christ: Isaiah 62:4-5, 2 Corinthians 11:2, Ephesians 5:29-32

7/ Israel is the vine and the olive tree: Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10, Hosea 14:6-7

Christians are the vine and the olive: Luke 20:16, Romans 11:24

8/ Israelites are the circumcised: Genesis 17:9-14, Judges 15:18

Christians are the ‘circumcised’: Romans 2:25-29, Philippians 3:3, Col. 2:11

9/ Israelites are the children of Abraham: 2 Chronicles 20:7, Psalms 105:5-6, Isaiah 41:8

Christians are the spiritual children of Abraham: Romans 4:13-18, Gal. 3:7& 29, John 4:23

10/ The Covenant is with Israel: Deuteronomy 4:31, 2 Kings 17:34-36, Psalms 105:7-10

The New Covenant is with Christians: 1 Corinthians 11:25, Hebrews 8:6-10, Ezekiel 34:25


The above 10 proofs totally negate any argument that the Church and Israel are 2 separate entities. That premise is held and promoted by the pre-trib rapture exponents, who must have 2 groups; one removed to heaven, [themselves] and the Jews, [Israel] who remain on earth to face the Great Tribulation.
 
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You don’t look at the nation itself having a specific covenant without being under the auspices of the church which is the body of Christ.. There is no scriptual context for that.



You are advocating some form of Dual Covenant Theology, based on race.
Paul reveals your error of depending on genealogies in Titus 3:9.

You are replacing the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.




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5. You are relying on wrong early church teachers and reformers on these subjects.

Spoken by a genuine modernist.

The prophetic faith, vision, and sacrifice of the historical defenders of the true faith is the reason you are on this forum today attempting to impugn them.

But of course, cultic dispensational modernism must ever pay faithful obeisance to the counterfeit dogma of its godfather:

John Nelson Darby
"I do not admit history to be, in any sense, necessary to the understanding of prophecy."

That is, "It is now John Nelson Darby who is necessary to the understanding of prophecy".

No cult ever issued a more supercilious declaration.
 
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correct Biblical exegesis and God’s promises which are Amen and Amen.

Here's the Scripture you forgot to include:

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in Him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Not in Israel.
Not in Jews.
In Him.
 
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Jerry, I agree with BaB on this issue. It is you that doesn't understand the Bible truth about who is the Israel of God.

The true Christian Ecclesia is Israel:
Those believers who love the Lord and keep His commandments, that is: every faithful Christian person are designated by God to be Israelites. Galatians 6:14-16 The New Testament writings are clear: there is only one Israel, who are the only one Church, only one elect, be they Jew or Gentile by birth.

1/ Israel, the chosen people of God: Exodus 15:13, Deuteronomy 33:3, Ezra 3:11

Christians, chosen of God: Romans 9:25, Ephesians 5:1, Col. 3:12, 1 John 3:1, Rev. 7:9

2/ Israel, the children of God: Deut. 14:1, Isaiah 1:2-4, Isaiah 63:8, Hosea 11:1

Christians, the children of God: John 1:12, Romans 8:14-16, Galatians 4:5-7, 1 John 3:1

3/ Israel, the scattered sheep of God: Psalms 78:52, Isaiah 40:11, Jer. 23:1-4, Ezekiel 34:12

Christians, His sheep: among the nations: John 10:14-16, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 2:25

4/ Israel, God’s household: Hebrews 3:5, 1 Chronicles 29:14-18

Christians are God’s household: Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 10:20-21, I Timothy 3:15, 1 Cor.3:9

5/ Israel are the priests of God: Exodus 19:6, Deuteronomy 27:9

Christians are the priests of God: Isaiah 66:21, 1 Peter 2:5-9, Rev. 1:6, Revelation 5:10

6/ Israel is the bride of God: Isaiah 54:5-6, Jeremiah 2:2, Ezekiel 16:32, Hosea 1:2

Christians are the bride of Christ: Isaiah 62:4-5, 2 Corinthians 11:2, Ephesians 5:29-32

7/ Israel is the vine and the olive tree: Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10, Hosea 14:6-7

Christians are the vine and the olive: Luke 20:16, Romans 11:24

8/ Israelites are the circumcised: Genesis 17:9-14, Judges 15:18

Christians are the ‘circumcised’: Romans 2:25-29, Philippians 3:3, Col. 2:11

9/ Israelites are the children of Abraham: 2 Chronicles 20:7, Psalms 105:5-6, Isaiah 41:8

Christians are the spiritual children of Abraham: Romans 4:13-18, Gal. 3:7& 29, John 4:23

10/ The Covenant is with Israel: Deuteronomy 4:31, 2 Kings 17:34-36, Psalms 105:7-10

The New Covenant is with Christians: 1 Corinthians 11:25, Hebrews 8:6-10, Ezekiel 34:25


The above 10 proofs totally negate any argument that the Church and Israel are 2 separate entities. That premise is held and promoted by the pre-trib rapture exponents, who must have 2 groups; one removed to heaven, [themselves] and the Jews, [Israel] who remain on earth to face the Great Tribulation.


keras,

1. You can agree with ba but you are still wrong.

2. I never said that Christians can’t be called Spiritual Jews in a spiritual sense according to Romans 2:28-29.
But even that context was directly to the Jew not the gentile for the Jews blasphemed God in front of the Gentiles. Read the context.
It is wrong to make it a doctrine that the church replaces Israel according to their gifts and callings Romans 11:25-29.

3. Peter said Paul wrote an epistle to the Jews 2 Peter 3:15-16.
In the oldest MSS Hebrews follows Galatians with the title “To the Hebrews” indicating it was a part of the Galatian letter. If this be true, the authorship stated in Galatians 1:1 applies to both books.
This would explain why Paul speaks of Galatians as a large letter 6:11. The Israel of God of Galatians 6:16 would be an appropriate introduction to the book of Hebrews.
In any case, Galatians separate as many as Walk according to this rule which would be gentiles.
Peace be upon them and mercy (gentiles) and upon the Israel of God (Jews). This is the correct context for verse 12-13 are talking to Jews and why they wanted gentiles to keep the law.
Vs 14-16 are three reasons why neither Jews or gentiles should not keep the law.
So the spiritual Jew doctrine to the extreme is wrong.

4. Your 10 reasons of similarities doesn’t negate the nation of Israel and the church being two different physical identities with two different callings of different positions of authority.
Israel will be at the head of the nations Isaiah 2:1-5.
There is nowhere that says that about the church age saints.
Israel will have David specifically as King over them in the land of Israel Ezekiel 37:24. Nothing about the church here in the future.

5. 2 Samuel 7:13-16; 1 Chronicles 28:1-8 is the unconditional covenant of the Davidic Covenant for Israel the nation.

6. The last 3 feasts of the Lord that haven’t been fulfilled are
a). the feast of trumpets which is the rapture
b). the feast of atonement which is the time of Jacob’s trouble for Israel Zechariah 13:1;12:10
c). the feast of tabernacles which is the millennial kingdom Matthew 17:4 and the order cannot be changed.
Sorry, but you are agreeing with the wrong position. Jerry Kelso
 
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4. Your 10 reasons of similarities doesn’t negate the nation of Israel and the church being two different physical identities with two different callings of different positions of authority.
Yes; the Jewish State of Israel does have another destiny than the Church. It is the one Jesus said would happen to those who killed the landowners son. Luke 20:9-16, Isaiah 22:14, +

Scripture is perfectly clear; there is only one people of God, one chosen group and they consist of people from every tribe of Israel, every race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10
But in order for God to fulfil His promises to the Patriarchs, the majority of the Israel of God are now, people who have actually descended from Jacob. From the ten Northern tribes, the lost House of Israel, whom Jesus was sent to save. Matthew 15:24
Jesus did not fail in His mission, the House of Judah rejected and killed Him, but Israel; scattered among the nations since 722BC, are the ones who mainly; have accepted Christianity.
You and me. Praise God for sending to us our Redeemer!
 
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Yes; the Jewish State of Israel does have another destiny than the Church. It is the one Jesus said would happen to those who killed the landowners son. Luke 20:9-16, Isaiah 22:14, +

Scripture is perfectly clear; there is only one people of God, one chosen group and they consist of people from every tribe of Israel, every race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10
But in order for God to fulfil His promises to the Patriarchs, the majority of the Israel of God are now, people who have actually descended from Jacob. From the ten Northern tribes, the lost House of Israel, whom Jesus was sent to save. Matthew 15:24
Jesus did not fail in His mission, the House of Judah rejected and killed Him, but Israel; scattered among the nations since 722BC, are the ones who mainly; have accepted Christianity.
You and me. Praise God for sending to us our Redeemer!

keras,

1. A separate destiny for the nation of Israel and the church and that is the point.
Ba is saying that is not true.

2. As I’ve said before God is no respect of person and all saved people are on the same level of ground in that respect whether old or New Testaments.
So spiritually there is one people of God, especially in the church because of Calvary Ephesians 2:14-15.

3. God knows every hair on our head and he will send Elijah before the great and dreadful day and he will tell the Jew what tribe he belongs to.

4. Jesus didn’t fail in his mission is true.
The Jews missed the suffering Savior so they could have the conquering Savior.
Their rejection is why 70 A.D. happened which Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24:1-2.

5. The physical KoH reign and the Jews destiny and the churches destiny is in abeyance till after the second coming of Christ.

6. It is not too hard to understand but some just want to misrepresent Dispensationalism and go out on a limb and out of context. Jerry Kelso
 
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Spoken by a genuine modernist.

The prophetic faith, vision, and sacrifice of the historical defenders of the true faith is the reason you are on this forum today attempting to impugn them.

But of course, cultic dispensational modernism must ever pay faithful obeisance to the counterfeit dogma of its godfather:

John Nelson Darby
"I do not admit history to be, in any sense, necessary to the understanding of prophecy."

That is, "It is now John Nelson Darby who is necessary to the understanding of prophecy".

No cult ever issued a more supercilious declaration.

jgr,

1. I am not interested in man’s opinions whether Darby or Calvin.
God’s truth is not a cult. Jerry Kelso
 
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Here's the Scripture you forgot to include:

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in Him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Not in Israel.
Not in Jews.
In Him.

jgr,

God’s promises are in Christ.
He promised Israel unconditionally the throne of David 2 Samuel 7:13-16; 1 Chronicles 28:1-8. Jerry Kelso
 
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God’s promises are in Christ.
He promised Israel unconditionally the throne of David 2 Samuel 7:13-16; 1 Chronicles 28:1-8. Jerry Kelso
Jesus Christ WILL have the Kingdom of the earth, when He Returns. Revelation 19:11
And His followers; people from every tribe, race, nation and language, will be His priests and co rulers. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 5:9-10
Until then, we Christians must stand firm in our faith and trust the Lord for our protection, enduring until He comes. 1 Corinthians 10:13

Only those Jewish people who have that faith will participate in the Kingdom, along with all of the true Israelites of God. John sees us there, in the holy Land, in Revelation 7:9
 
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Jesus Christ WILL have the Kingdom of the earth, when He Returns. Revelation 19:11
And His followers; people from every tribe, race, nation and language, will be His priests and co rulers. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 5:9-10
Until then, we Christians must stand firm in our faith and trust the Lord for our protection, enduring until He comes. 1 Corinthians 10:13

Only those Jewish people who have that faith will participate in the Kingdom, along with all of the true Israelites of God. John sees us there, in the holy Land, in Revelation 7:9

keras,

1. Revelation 7:9; Those are the great multitude in Heaven before the throne and the lamb.
It is not the Holy Land on earth.
The lamb is seen in Heaven and the King of Kings and Lord of Lords comes to earth Revelation 19:11-15. Jerry Kelso
 
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jerry,

God’s promises are in Christ.

Why did you omit "all"?

Here's the Scripture again:

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in Him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

He promised Israel unconditionally the throne of David 2 Samuel 7:13-16; 1 Chronicles 28:1-8.

Since all the promises of God are yes and amen in Christ, that must include David's throne.

Which it does. Since Christ's resurrection.

Acts 2
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
 
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keras,

1. Revelation 7:9; Those are the great multitude in Heaven before the throne and the lamb.
It is not the Holy Land on earth.
The lamb is seen in Heaven and the King of Kings and Lord of Lords comes to earth Revelation 19:11-15. Jerry Kelso
Your normal practice is to add to scripture? Especially Revelation!
Heaven is not mentioned anywhere in Revelation 7:1-17 That whole chapter depicts earthly events. God's Throne can be seen from the earth, if He wills it. Ezekiel 1:1, Acts 7:56
 
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jerry,



Why did you omit "all"?

Here's the Scripture again:

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in Him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.



Since all the promises of God are yes and amen in Christ, that must include David's throne.

Which it does. Since Christ's resurrection.

Acts 2
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

jgr,

1. I never left the word “all” out.
Your point was that the promises were in him and not man. I agreed.
God builds the kingdom not man.
So what’s your point? Jerry Kelso
 
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Your normal practice is to add to scripture? Especially Revelation!
Heaven is not mentioned anywhere in Revelation 7:1-17 That whole chapter depicts earthly events. God's Throne can be seen from the earth, if He wills it. Ezekiel 1:1, Acts 7:56

keras,

1. Revelation 7:1-17 is the first parenthetical between the 6th and 7th seals.

2. Vs. 1-8 is on earth for the 144,000 have to be sealed before judgement on the earth, sea, and the trees v3.

3. Vs. 9-17 is about the great multitude that stands before the throne and before the lamb, clothed with white robes and palms in their hands v9.
This is all a picture of Heaven because the lamb is on the throne in Heaven not on earth through the tribulation and the Holy City; a Look at Revelation 5:6,8,12,14,17; 12:11;14:1,4,10; 19:7,9,21:9,14.
All these scriptures have the lamb in Heaven.
It is not till the New Heaven and the New Earth you see the lamb on earth but, is in the Holy City Revelation 21:22,23,27, Revelation 22:3.
So it doesn’t matter the word “Heaven” is used in Revelation 7.

4. V13 has the elder in Heaven answering John about those arrayed in white robes which were those that came out of great tribulation on earth.
They have made it to Heaven for that is where the throne of God and his lamb are.

5. Ezekiel 1:1; Acts 7:56 has nothing to do with the context of Revelation 7:1-17.
Sorry, you are wrong in context. Jerry Kelso
 
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