Is this true: Greek Orthodox Holy Synod recognizes Ukrainian Schismatics?

StanU said:

In the last 300 years, it was also under EP. I said "always", right? For the sake of convenience, the EP officially allowed the MP to consecrate the Metropolitan of Kyiv. MP misinterpreted it, but it remains true nonetheless. The latest time EP said just that officially was in the Tomos granted to Church of Poland (historically part of Metropolis of Kyiv), 1924.
Didn't "create a new sect". Accepted people into existing one. The process actually seems more regular than when the EP accepted any of the ethnic Churches in North America; for example, UOCUSA (which was essentially the old UAOC in exile). Incidentally, MP ALSO believes that North America is their territory (well, OCA's now, so what to make of the ROCOR in USA is anyone's guess). The closer I look at it the less unprecedented things I see.

PS: it is explained in way more detail in these e-books by the Archons. I gave the link above, for your convenience.

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StanU said:

Accepted people into existing one.

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buzuxi02 said:

Well then I guess you belong to a different religion than me if Dumenko simply was reintegrated into an always existing sect (that no one knew about up until 5 minutes ago)

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AMM said:

Just to share something tangentially related - there isn't only bad news!

"At the invitation of His Eminence Metropolitan Joseph, Archbishop of New York and Metropolitan of all North America (Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America-Patriarchate of Antioch and all the East), Their Eminences Archbishop Elpidophoros of America (Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America-Ecumenical Patriarchate) and Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk and Chairman of the Department of External Church Relations of the Moscow Patriarchate met at the headquarters of the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America on Wednesday, October 23, 2019.

After a lunch offered by Metropolitan Joseph, the three hierarchs met privately to exchange views on the current inter-Orthodox situation. At the end of the meeting the two visiting hierarchs exchanged memorable gifts."
Don't know any more about the meeting but it's good to see that there are bishops who will meet with each other even on "both sides of the aisle" so to speak to discuss things.
Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America

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StanU said:

I'm not sure we all agree what constitutes "bad" vs "good" news. But in this case, people talking is certainly not "bad", so there's that.
Met. Hilarion is not a random "bishop willing to talk". He heads ROC diplomacy (if you can call it that, given their usual style and highly defamatory things Hilarion posts about inter alia Archbishop Elpidophoros), and would not go "rogue" so to speak. This is ROC acting; one can assume they concluded bluster doesn't work and cautiously seek some face-saving dialogue. Which is good. In the same vein, ROC's confusing reaction to Church of Greece decision notably stopped short of full break of communion. Of course, with Kremlin in the mix, you never know for sure.

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buzuxi02 said:

Stanu,
So who do you work for??? You go on various Orthodox blogs with new aliases, and only when it's to defend the Phanarites on this geopolitically tinged issue. I like your new novel innovation that the Church in Ukraine ALWAYS belonged to the EP. I guess the GOARCH priests and bishops didnt get the memo on that because they disagree with you. I should know I'm friends with some of them. Heck all I have to do is ask a
few of my well connected GOA relatives and acquaintances to tell me who you are. Or are you a troll for one of those alphabet soup organizations?
Regardless to all my TAW brethren
, if you ever wondered how the trolls play the game and manipulate minds- meet StanU or alias Constantinople or whatever other names you have been using around the internet these past few weeks. Oh have you noticed how your biggest critics have been Greeks such as myself??? All that racial hatred you've been spewing to pit the Greeks against the Slavs and its us greeks who are calling your bluff. Now go back to your handlers for plan B little boy.

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AMM said:

I know Met Hilarion isn't just a random bishop. And I read interestingly enough that Met Hilarion and Abp Elipdophoros actually have known each other for quite some time and Met. Hilarion actually participated in the episcopal consecration of Abp Elpidophoros. Even though they disagree on some matters (like these), it's good to see that they can still be civil with each other - a lesson I think we can all learn from

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Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

Could the next Patriarchal Bishop that comes after he is gone reverse this decision ?

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StanU said:

So let me get this straight: recognizing a Church that has no doctrinal differences with you is an act of schism, while threatening to sever communion is done to promote unity? Did I get Met. Onufry's position right?

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Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

Lord Jesus Christ God please purge out evil people from The Church Amen.


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StanU said:

So let me get this straight: recognizing a Church that has no doctrinal differences with you is an act of schism, while threatening to sever communion is done to promote unity? Did I get Met. Onufry's position right?

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