Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine, of modern Dispensational Theology, would be a part of those deceived. It is a form of Dual Covenant Theology, based on race. However, nobody has given us the DNA standard of those involved.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
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baberean2,
1. You amaze me with your circular reasoning which is because you cannot prove anything by your intellect or out of the scriptures.
2. Those who believe in the Spiritual Jew theory and replacement theology are the real ones deceived and I have proved numerous times that those contexts are wrong.
3. You are wrong on all the accounts above.
Everyone in the millennial kingdom that are saved , whether the church of today
or Israel on earth will be one in Christ for all will be saved under the New Covenant.
Just because they are two separate groups of heritage that God has given with two separate callings doesn’t mean they are not one spiritually.
I don’t know why you think that cannot be. All you want to do is put everyone in the church today and do away Israel’s eternal covenants God made with them 1 Chronicles 28:1-7 and 2 Samuel 7:13-16. You don’t even bother to try and answer to that except by disagreeing.
4. At the same time physical Israel will inherit the land promised them in the Abrahamic Covenant Ezekiel 3:16-28.
This is plain to see because Israel and Judah will no longer be two sticks but one in the Land of Israel with David as their King and the Lord will reside from Jerusalem as King Over all the earth Zechariah 14.
Physical DNA has nothing to do with salvation like your accusations you put it.
Physical DNA of Israel has to do with their physical posterity that will inherit the land of Israel.
When Jesus said, Blessed are the meek they shall inherit the earth he was talking to Israel specifically and their land and it will happen in the millennial kingdom because in the time of Jacob’s trouble Jeremiah 30:7-9 he shall save them and make them a nation born in one day Isaiah 66:8 for as Zion travails she will bring forth her children.
Verse 12 says that the Lord will extend peace to her like a river and the glory of the gentiles like a flowing stream.
There is nothing about the church receiving the glory of the gentiles.
So yes, the DNA of Israel will inherit their specific land of Israel in that day and be at the head of the nations where Christ law will go forth from Zion Isaiah 2:1-4.
I didn’t say that God’s word said that.
5. You can twist it all you want and spiritualized and think DNA doesn’t have a part in the physical land and that everything has to be labeled under the auspices of the church and you will always be wrong.
Physical DNA has nothing to do with receiving salvation and never has. Even the law itself couldn’t save a person, it could only say thou shalt not.
It took the blood of Jesus Christ Hebrews 9-17.
You ought not to misrepresent Dispensationalism because it results in false accusations.
6. Your assessment of Jeremiah 31:31-34 is totally wrong and shows ho w little understanding you really have about Israel’s gifts and callings Romans 11:29.
7. To say Israel received the New Covenant as a nation at the Day of Pentecost is to call Christ a liar when he said the time of the kingdom coming to fruition was not for them to know Acts 1:6-7.
If they had received it as the kingdom the Kingdom of Heaven would have started then and all creation would have blossomed and the curse lifted Joel 2 and animal life would have had the lion lay down with the lamb and the leopard with the kid etc. Isaiah 11:6-8 and they wouldn’t hurt or destroy in all God’s holy mountain: for all the earth would be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.
8. The New Covenant for the whole world John 3:16 was what happened at Calvary and the Church was born to make one new man which Paul called he mystery of the Church Ephesians 2:14-15.
You cannot mix the Kingdom of Heaven message to the Jews that Jesus preached to them with the birth of the church.
That is why your position is flat out wrong.
The New Covenant for Israel in the future is when the KoH will be set up and their nation will be saved spiritually and physically.
That is why Christ comes back with church age saints to Armageddon to destroy Israel’s enemies and raise them up as a nation under God Joel 3; Zechariah 14 and Revelation 16:16.
Then will Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-12 be fulfilled.
9. Hebrews 10:16-18; The Jeremiah passage in this chapter will not be fulfilled till the end of Jacob’s trouble
Acts 1:6-7; Isaiah 2:2-4; 9:6-7; Ezekiel 37:16-28; Joel 2-3; Zechariah 14.
Putting their laws into their minds and hearts and remembering their sins no more hasn’t happened as a nation for they are still as backslidden today as they were in Jesus day Matthew 23:37-39 and in the beginning stages of the early church with Stephen’s address to the Jews Acts 7.
Acts 7:51: Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, te do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye......
They stoned him verses 54-60.
They were backslidden in Acts 28:25-31 as a nation and that is why Paul left the Jews and started his ministry to the gentiles.
And Christ had already told about Israel’s rejection in Matthew 23:37-39 and prophesied the judgement on them in Matthew 24:1-2 that came to pass in 70 A.D. which is also a historical and scriptural fact.
10. 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 and Hebrews 12:22-24 pertain to the church and not Israel the nation’s deliverance and salvation under the NC.
So your linkage to the Jeremiah passage is completely wrong and out of context.
11. Pre- Trib rapture is the feast of trumpets 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
The time of Jacob’s trouble is the feast of Atonement Zechariah 13:1; 12:10.
The feast of tabernacles is the millennial kingdom and the order cannot be changed.
You are wrong again and will always be wrong in your position. Jerry Kelso