Why does God only create things that can be explained by natural processes?

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That's not the way God works. We are not "punished" for our actions like that.

Life.... is life... Christians don't get to move to the luxury line and get a softer and easier go of it...

Our lives are our lives... Christian or non believer.....God is just and He is the one that decides what our lives will hold.

Some Christians die in car accidents, have miscarriages, have illnesses, get robbed, get great jobs, struggle to make ends meet..... live to be 100 or die at 40 from a heart attack.....

All is for His glory. How we deal with it will shine for Him.

We are to count our blessings and know that He is good.... His will be done..

It's tough as Christians sometimes to understand His working... only when we get to paradise will we know.

God has actually punished people with sickness throughout the Bible, for one example the Egyptians. He also punished all of humanity from the very beginning.

Genesis 3:16-19
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

We all have sicknesses because we are all sinners. I've been sick multiple times throughout my life. The good news is that if we don't lose our faith through all of our hardships we can all be rid of sickness once we pass into the next life. Remember Job.
 
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God has actually punished people with sickness throughout the Bible, for one example the Egyptians. He also punished all of humanity from the very beginning.

Genesis 3:16-19
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

We all have sicknesses because we are all sinners. I've been sick multiple times throughout my life. The good news is that if we don't lose our faith through all of our hardships we can all be rid of sickness once we pass into the next life. Remember Job.

Are you saying you were sick because of a specific sin you committed, or are you saying we all get sick, in general, because of the choice Adam and Eve made in the garden?
 
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Are you saying you were sick because of a specific sin you committed, or are you saying we all get sick, in general, because of the choice Adam and Eve made in the garden?

We all get sick in general because of the choices we make. Adam and Eve got sick and had hardships because of their sin and the same goes for us.
 
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We all get sick in general because of the choices we make. Adam and Eve got sick and had hardships because of their sin and the same goes for us.

So when an eight-month-old dies, what sin did he commit? Is he paying for a sin his parents committed???
 
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So when an eight-month-old dies, what sin did he commit? Is he paying for a sin his parents committed???

When an eight month old dies, that is just God's will. He will enter heaven because he is a human who has no sin. I'm not trying to guess on why God does everything he does. I was talking about lifetimes of pain and suffering, not instances where people die. All Christians die and they will go into heaven as well.
 
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When an eight month old dies, that is just God's will. He will enter heaven because he is a human who has no sin. I'm not trying to guess on why God does everything he does. I was talking about lifetimes of pain and suffering, not instances where people die. All Christians die and they will go into heaven as well.

Personally, I think that child is lucky. He gets to go straight to heaven without all the suffering. Just saying.

Thanks for your candor. God bless.
 
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If I get on an aeroplane to fly to another country, I can have reasonable faith that I will arrive at my destination unharmed. If I didn't have that faith, I wouldn't get on the plane. So yes, a certain amount of faith is useful. HOWEVER, my faith is not blind faith, my faith is based on the following facts:

1. The Science behind aeroplanes being able to fly is very well known & well-proven.
2. The particular plane I am boarding has done many successful flights before
3. I am assuming the plane is well maintained according to Civil Aviation regulations
3. I know that the pilots are well trained
4. I know that air flight is one of the safest forms of travel, safer than most other forms of transport.

So my faith is based not just on somebody telling me that it is safe to fly on the plane, my faith is based upon solid EVIDENCE!

The Bible contains history, which is confirmed by other sources and archaeological discoveries. Countries such as Greece, Egypt, Israel, Spain, and places like Rome, Jerusalem, Damascus and so on that are mentioned in the Bible still exist today.
If there is evidence to confirm that some things written in the Bible were true, it is harder to dismiss as nonsense and makes it likely that other events, and teachings, were true also.

So for a god to expect people to believe in him based on FAITH alone, is quite cruel.

He doesn't.
We have the whole of creation, the Bible and the testimonies of thousands of Christians who have, or have had, a relationship with God, discovered that he answers prayer, helps them in times of trouble, heals, encourages and blesses them. The events of the OT are accepted by Muslims and Jews as well as by Christians. Muslims, Jews and others believe that Jesus existed, they just don't accept that the was the Messiah, the Son of God.
There are also scientists who are Christians - and may even have become Christians through their study of science/the universe.

Because god also knows that:
1. If people are expected to believe on faith alone with no solid evidence provided, many (well over 2/3rds the world's population) will choose the wrong religion to believe in, based upon their culture, or the religion that their parents believe in.

There is evidence; people may not want to accept it.

2. There is always going to be a percentage of the population that cannot believe through faith alone. A certain percentage of the population is always going to require solid evidence before they believe certain things.

God can be neither proved nor disproved - but there is evidence, if they choose to see and accept it.

3. Without compelling evidence to support it, there is no reason for believers in one religion to change to another religion, because they may be leaving the true religion for a false religion.

What would you accept as "compelling evidence"?
Reading the Bible, maybe? Praying to God as the Bible tells us and finding that he answers? Being healed by God? Hearing the testimony of another Christian who believes in, and talks to, God?

So the only conclusion that one can come to, is that heaven is a fairly small place.

That is one conclusion that you could draw from the argument you have put forward; doesn't mean it's the only one or even that it's correct.

So god needs to keep the numbers low, so it won't be too crowded there,

?? We're not talking about a broom cupboard in the sky here or a celestial game of sardines. We are spirits in heaven - how much room does a spirit take up?

& he has deliberately rigged the system so that less than a 1/4 of the world's population ends up in heaven.

He hasn't rigged anything.
Jesus told us to preach the Gospel to the whole world, and even those who never hear have creation, etc, and will be judged on how they have lived their lives. God wants everyone to be saved, have eternal life and be with him forever - if we don't, that's our doing, not his.
 
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That's why it's vital to be a member of the one, holy Apostolic Church, whose Tradition is handed down and Living, as well as Life-giving because the Holy Spirit is breathing within it.
In the second and third century Christian literature, what can be verified, is that there were a plethora of Christian churches and these were scattered across the Roman empire. Not one apostolic church was even mentioned by the authors in those two centuries after Jesus died and rose again.

You seem to deny the historical facts of Christian history, that there was not one single church movement. There were a collection of churches that voted in a democratic way on points of doctrine and church life.
Just because someone, (or many of such someone's) believes in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, does not mean that they know Who Christ is, or teach correctly about Who He is.
It depends on the sources that are cited.

If you use the Bible to establish the identity of the Christ, then you are using the apostolic declaration of the Christ.

If you depend solely on church tradition, then you are reliant on that church tradition being a sound tradition.
The Tradition of the Apostles is preserved in the historical Church of the Apostles. There's no sense in looking anywhere else for it, except when circumstances dictate otherwise.
Depends on which church traditions you are using, Eastern tradition, Roman tradition, the wider church tradition, Laodicea tradition, e.t.c.

Spin the traditional chocolate wheel and see where it stops.
 
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God has actually punished people with sickness throughout the Bible, for one example the Egyptians. He also punished all of humanity from the very beginning.

Pharaoh and Egypt was punished because God was trying to get him to free His people. It's a bit different than getting sick because you committed some sins.

God didn't punish the people with the flood as much as He cleaned house and started over... That is still different than you getting sick or in an accident or anything else... because you committed some sin.

We all have sicknesses because we are all sinners. I've been sick multiple times throughout my life. The good news is that if we don't lose our faith through all of our hardships we can all be rid of sickness once we pass into the next life. Remember Job.

Yes, there is sickness and other things like thistles and we have to "break our back to earn our day of leisure" to quote John Lennon...

However, this is not like someone getting sick because they committed a sin. This is the entire world.
 
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You have no statistics to support that. I used to be agnostic until I started doing some research on different religions including atheism and found that Christianity the only 100% valid and true religion. Most of the Christians I know are converts so to say 98% of them are only Christian because of how they were brought up is just false. If you wanted to say that about a religion like Islam then that might be true. I recommend you look up David Wood debating John Loftus and he'll give you an understanding of the evidence behind Christianity. The use is because truth matters. I don't think you understand what faith means. It means that you have complete belief and trust in God. It doesn't mean you just believe because. That would be blind faith that really has nothing to do with religion. I'd say atheists more than anyone operate on blind faith. Again, if you want evidence, all you have to do is look for it. The crucifixion of Jesus isn't even disputed among atheist scholars. They just say he didn't rise, but if you look at the possibilities, that's the only possibility. If you believe in Plato and Aristotle then you have to believe in Jesus because he has far more historically valid evidence that passes textual criticism much more easily. If you're not bothered to search for the evidence then you don't have a very high regard for truth.
I didn't say that the way you were bought up is the only factor that influences the religion you choose. I said that it was either that OR the culture you have been raised in. You have been raised in a culture where the majority of religious believers are Christian, so that has a HUGE influence on the religion that you choose. You are correct that I don't have the actual statistics, but I have a gut feeling that I wouldn't be far off the mark.

It is no coincidence that the majority of people who are born in Thailand are Bhuddist, the majority of people born in India are Hindu, the majority who are born in Pakistan are muslim, the majority who are born in the USA are Christian.

If you were going to choose ANY religion, it was always a good bet that you would choose the Christian religion, because that is the religion that you are most familiar with. It would have had very little to do with the evidence (probably less than 10%), & 90% to do with the culture you were raised in. The region is also likely to influence the particlar church that you join. In the phillipines, the majority are not only Christian, they are also Catholic (over 80%).
 
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That's why it's vital to be a member of the one, holy Apostolic Church, whose Tradition is handed down and Living, as well as Life-giving because the Holy Spirit is breathing within it.

Just because someone, (or many of such someone's) believes in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, does not mean that they know Who Christ is, or teach correctly about Who He is. The Tradition of the Apostles is preserved in the historical Church of the Apostles. There's no sense in looking anywhere else for it, except when circumstances dictate otherwise.
What and where is the holy Apostolic Church?
 
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What and where is the holy Apostolic Church?
It's on the corner of Cottage Street and Cross Street in Auburn, NY, whenever the Good Shepherd is present with His sheep who gather there. It's in thousands of other places too, just so long as the Good Shepherd is present with His sheep who gather in such other places.
 
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Science has a fairly good understanding of the processes that created the universe after the big bang, it dosn't need a supernatural explanation, because it can all be explained by natural forces.

The same goes for biology, evolution is a good explanation of all of the different life forms that exist on the planet.

So why dosnt/didnt god ever create anything that cant be explained naturally. Something that has no other possible explanation other than being created by a god?

For example, when god wrote the 10 commandments, why use stone, which was the technology of the day, when God would have to have known it would only get broken. Why not carve the 10 commandments on a metal that could not possibly have existed back then, such as titanium, or even a metal that hasnt been invented yet. Something that would last for thousands of years & still be around today, & that could not possibly have a natural explanation?

And why rely on humans to write the bible? Why not write it himself, again on a medium that hadnt been invented in the day instead of papyrus that is prone to fall to bits. It could have been a magical book, that never deteriorates, & that automatically translates itself into whatever language the person reading it unnderstands? Again this could not be explained by natural forces, or even humans creating it, because the technology never existed, & still dosnt exist even today.

This could have avoided all the copying & translation errors that have occured, as well as the problem of people changing the text to suit their own ends that happened in the early days. It could also have avoided all of the arguments over how to interpret the bible, that has resulted in (apparently) around 30,000 different christian denominations in the world today, all with their own interpretations of what the text means.
what has been explained by science is how humans describe reality. We come up with calculations and physical laws to explain how things work. But those explanations/descriptions don't tell us how these things happened in the first place. This is our perspective of things. If you think about gravity, what is gravity in the overall scene of things, what is space. Gravity allows for large heavy and solid objects to be suspended in space which would seem like magic. Maybe we are just describing Gods creative ability. Gravity may be some other force in the greater scheme of things that we do not understand and may never be able to comprehend.

This may go for many things like matter in the universe and how according to the theory of relativity there does not seem to be enough to hold things together. So we have come up with another explanation in dark matter an invisible force and also dark energy that is causing the universe to expand increasingly faster which all seems counter intuitive. Quantum physics presents some interesting findings that we find hard to fit into the classical view of physics. So who knows what is happening in the greater scheme of things.

Explanations have no creative power they just describe. Those explanation may not be correct and there may be some other things going on that we don't know about. Even so there will be a materialistic view for which science uses and there may be a metaphysical view which moves beyond this. It seems that the scientific explanation is falling short more and more nowadays and the scientific view is having to appeal more to ideas that step beyond the classical explanations so maybe things need to be revised.
 
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Science has a fairly good understanding of the processes that created the universe

That's not entirely true. Science needs a multiverse model to explain the physics parameters brought our universe here, which however is not falsifiable. Even to science how we came as a sheer coincidence remains a mystery.
 
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