Why judge and rebuke Donald Trump?

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TLK Valentine

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...and it turned out that those who "rebuked" the Rosenbergs were right.

The Rosenbergs are an interesting case... the Government knew they were guilty only because of the intel they decoded due to the Verona Project... the existence of which Uncle Sam could not allow to come to light in a public trial... so several witnesses "suddenly" changed their stories to implicate the Rosenbergs for espionage... because their initial testimony left room for reasonable doubt.

Is it possible to frame someone for a crime they did commit? I'll leave that question to the philosophers...

So, no comparison to the current rebuking that is nothing more than sour grapes over having lost the 2016 election.

Wow, you're never going to let that election go, are you?
 
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Perhaps you should consider the following. Politicians and political leader are not "your team", that you need to root for. Politicans are elected to do a job. You, as a voter, as a citizen, have an influence on who does the job, and by that, how you want the job to be done.

But if the person you (s)elected is incompetent in this job, or their behaviour while doing their job casts a bad light on them and their employers (that is: you), it is also your right and duty to criticise them.

If the plumber you hired to unplug your toilet instead sets the house on fire, you can and should criticise them.
If the plumber does his job, but is dirty, drugged and tries to bugger your underage children, you can and should criticise them.

Get it: these people are not your "better", your "leaders" or, by far, your "rulers". They are your employees... and if they don't follow the rules, or their performance is unsatisfactory... well, there's a famous phrase that especially the Trumpists should know well.

"YOU'RE FIRED!"

You presume that the US president has performed poorly. But that isn’t true. In fact, Donald Trump has done an excellent job, especially on the economy and border security.

You can read about the success of the Trump economy here: The Trump Economy  | National Review

Also, the United States has a severe problem with illegal immigration. Trump has worked tirelessly to secure our southern border with a wall along the US-Mexican border. On immigration, I would give him an A+ grade. Something must be done to prevent the illegal invasion, and Trump is handling it well.

Far from being unsatisfactory, Trump’s performance as president is a true class act. He has certainly done an exceedingly better job than the previous Republican president George W. Bush, who was arguably the worst president the United States has ever had. Indeed, Trump will go down in history as perhaps one of the greatest presidents in the history of America.
 
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The American President is being judged on his performance as President, not on his relationship with God.

Please don't confuse the redemptive power of Jesus with anyone's job performance as president. They are NOT the same thing,

Don’t be so disingenuous. I’ve seen countless Democrats and never-Trump Republicans denounce our president for his allegations of adultery. They criticize his supposed immorality as a means of trying to discredit him. How do past marital indiscretions affect our president’s ability to perform well?
 
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Going to America's enemies and trading political favors from them in order to illegally hack elections is very much treason.

...which never happened in the first place.
 
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Many opponents of Donald Trump judge him for his imperfections. They rebuke him for unproven allegations of adultery, claim he is a corrupt liar, or castigate him for wanting to secure our borders with a wall. Romans 5:6 says that Christ died for the ungodly. Which is to say, Christ didn’t come to redeem the righteous; he came to redeem the unrighteous. Everyone is in need of the redemptive power of Jesus: you, me, Trump, and indeed all of us. Therefore, the question must be raised: Why is it fair for anyone to judge our great president because of his imperfections? Aren't we all sinners?
Aren't we all sinners?
Indeed we are.

President Trump is attempting to carry out his promises against all kinds of odds.

The criticisms say more about the ones speaking them than it does about President Trump.
 
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Maybe.

But I'll still go with, you know, democracy.
Ok, I agree, democracy... And include the full constitution, meaning...He may be out early. We'll see.
 
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Many opponents of Donald Trump judge him for his imperfections. They rebuke him for unproven allegations of adultery, claim he is a corrupt liar, or castigate him for wanting to secure our borders with a wall. Romans 5:6 says that Christ died for the ungodly. Which is to say, Christ didn’t come to redeem the righteous; he came to redeem the unrighteous. Everyone is in need of the redemptive power of Jesus: you, me, Trump, and indeed all of us. Therefore, the question must be raised: Why is it fair for anyone to judge our great president because of his imperfections? Aren't we all sinners?
The problem for Trump is a lot of people that are not judgmental, gave him a chance, liked some things he did (like confronting China on trade and theft).... and even still like some things about him (or a little)...

Not judging.
Not hating.
Not "never Trumpers"
Often voted republican

Would even be delighted to host him for dinner at their home....

Now, today, many such have seen enough, and want a better president.
 
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...and it turned out that those who "rebuked" the Rosenbergs were right. So, no comparison to the current rebuking that is nothing more than sour grapes over having lost the 2016 election.
I'm curious when you're going to stop lieing about this Albion.

Please stop bearing false witness against your brothers and sisters.
 
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You don't need a degree in biology to understand the subject. The only difference between us is you over paid for your knowledge.
You're right. Now what was the mechanism by which adenosine diphosphate becomes adenosine triphosphate again?
I also know that when I go to my neighbours and ask him to repair my car, he always laugh at me for shoving my socks under the hood. But guess what? It muffled the sounds when I drive. So guess who is overpaying for their education!!


I also don't accept your blatant appeals to dubious authorities. Ice Core samples from Greenland show that the climate has been quite stable since the end of the ice age, and this far the projections given by your dubious authorities have been nothing but inaccurate.

Your supposed authorities are nothing political actors, bought and paid for.
Don't accept? That's cute. As If you have the choice to throw away data that you don't understand that agrees with your viewpoint while your cursury understanding belies an insufficient understanding of the context.

Throw some specific work for us to discuss I'd you want.
 
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The problem for Trump is a lot of people that are not judgmental, gave him a chance, liked some things he did (like confronting China on trade and theft).... and even still like some things about him (or a little)...

Not judging.
Not hating.
Not "never Trumpers"
Often voted republican

Would even be delighted to host him for dinner at their home....

Now, today, many such have seen enough, and want a better president.
Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. ;)
 
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Many opponents of Donald Trump judge him for his imperfections. They rebuke him for unproven allegations of adultery, claim he is a corrupt liar, or castigate him for wanting to secure our borders with a wall. Romans 5:6 says that Christ died for the ungodly. Which is to say, Christ didn’t come to redeem the righteous; he came to redeem the unrighteous. Everyone is in need of the redemptive power of Jesus: you, me, Trump, and indeed all of us. Therefore, the question must be raised: Why is it fair for anyone to judge our great president because of his imperfections? Aren't we all sinners?
Exactly, as if not the entirety of modern America is not soaked in adultery, corruption, lies, everything they accuse this man of. Their "righteous indignation" if it was righteous would be directed at themselves. Americans love to chide politicians but not themselves, it is a terrible habit.
 
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Speaking of which...I want to get your reaction to this...surprising stuff:
Donald Trump's Donald Trump superlatives

Please let me know what you think.
Well, I'm certainly not going to waste 2 minutes and 10 seconds of my life on a You Tube tape like that one, but I will take a stab at the question. If all that can be said against the president who has done so much good is that he's egotistical (like all the others) and loudmouthed, then I will try to not make that be what determines where my vote goes. I really do want the best for my country and hope not to vote on the basis of some little irritant.

And by the way, what does that crowd of Democrats running for president at present offer by way of contrast? It's embarrassing. Maybe if Franklin Roosevelt or Harry S Truman were running in the 2020 primaries, but Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Bob O'Rourke, and Mayor Whazzisname??? Give me a break!
 
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Indeed we are.

President Trump is attempting to carry out his promises against all kinds of odds.

The criticisms say more about the ones speaking them than it does about President Trump.

Shall we be throwing open the prison doors any time soon?
 
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Going to America's enemies and trading political favors from them in order to illegally hack elections is very much treason.

Also, sexual assault in any other line of work is grounds for immediate termination. But then he becomes this "great, wonderful" President and..."why are we so judgmental??". Innocent face. Even Monica Lewinsky, at least she was consenting.

Republican is your religion. Just like all the George W fannery--he flat out lies about WMD, resulting in 100,000 deaths of Iraqis. But oh, he is anti-abortion! Abortion is murder!
Even if everything you said is true, voters get the politicians they deserve.
 
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Well, I'm certainly not going to waste 2 minutes and 10 seconds of my life on a You Tube tape like that one, but I will take a stab at the question. If all that can be said against the president who has done so much good is that he's egotistical (like all the others) and loudmouthed, then I will try to not make that be what determines where my vote goes. I really do want the best for my country and hope not to vote on the basis of some little irritant.

And by the way, what does that crowd of Democrats running for president at present offer by way of contrast? It's embarrassing. Maybe if Franklin Roosevelt or Harry S Truman were running in the 2020 primaries, but Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Bob O'Rourke, and Mayor Whazzisname??? Give me a break!
That video is hilarious! The last thing , iit iss a waste of time! I mean if my politician spoke like it's be embarrassing to watch it but yeah. It's funny!
 
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brinny said:
Indeed we are.

President Trump is attempting to carry out his promises against all kinds of odds.

The criticisms say more about the ones speaking them than it does about President Trump.
Shall we be throwing open the prison doors any time soon?
What has your response got to do with my post that you quoted?
 
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Many opponents of Donald Trump judge him for his imperfections. They rebuke him for unproven allegations of adultery, claim he is a corrupt liar, or castigate him for wanting to secure our borders with a wall. Romans 5:6 says that Christ died for the ungodly. Which is to say, Christ didn’t come to redeem the righteous; he came to redeem the unrighteous. Everyone is in need of the redemptive power of Jesus: you, me, Trump, and indeed all of us. Therefore, the question must be raised: Why is it fair for anyone to judge our great president because of his imperfections? Aren't we all sinners?
How are you justifying your judgment of others being critical of the president? As a fellow sinner, you’re in no better position to judge them for their character than they are to judge the president for his.
 
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