Are Revelation 12:6 & Revelation 12:14 the same events or different events?

BABerean2 said:

If you ignore all of the passages, like Matthew 25:31-46, and John 5:27-30, and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1, and Revelation 11:18, which prove the Premill doctrine is wrong, then maybe you can make the above work.

You have certainly made a good effort to accomplish that goal.

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Let me try and simplify things. Let me try asking it like this then. Which verses in Revelation 12:2-17 are taking place while satan is bound a thousand years? And which verses in Revelation 12:2-17 are taking place while satan is having his little season following the thousand years? That's not an unreasonable request is it?

Obviously some of the verses in Revelation 12:2-17 have to be taking place during the thousand years, and some during satan's little season, if satan's thousand year binding and loosing occur in this age prior to the 2nd coming. If Revelation 12:2-17 covers none of that, even though those verses obviously cover at least 2000 years, why are Amils even claiming satan is bound a thousand years in this age, followed by him being loosed a little season, if they can't show which verses in Revelation 12:2-17 occur during the thousand years, and which ones occur during satan's little season?


And another request just came to mind. There are 19 chapters before we get to Revelation 20. Can Amils produce any passages where the events that are taking place, that they are taking place during the thousand years while satan is bound?

BABerean2 said:

We have covered this ground before, and you have said in the past that you do not believe the Book of Revelation is in chronological order.

The "time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18 proves it.

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That aside then. Why can't you at least show in Revelation 12:2-17, which verses occur during the thousand years, and which ones occur during satan's little season? I'll even go first. I will tell you exactly which ones. None of them. If you disagree with that, show me which ones that occur during the thousand years, and which ones occur during satan's little season. This is not rocket science. If the millennium has been going on for 2000 years now, and that Revelation 12:2-17 covers some of these same 2000 years, that obviously means some of these verses in Revelation 12:2-17 occur during the thousand years, and some occur during satan's little season. So either point these out or admit you can't show with Scriptures that the thousand years have been ongoing for at least 2000 years now like you all have been claiming.

LittleLambofJesus said:

I am curious about that also.................

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Let's look at some of Revelation 12 again.

Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Does it look like satan is in the pit a thousand years during any of this?

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

What about during this time? Does it sound like satan is bound in the pit a thousand years during any of this?

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Obviously verse 9 is referring to verse 12, and that verse 13 is referring to the first thing satan sets out to do when he sees he has been cast unto the earth. Does it look like satan is in the pit a thousand years during any of this? Let's keep in mind what precedes him being cast out of heaven unto the earth. That being he still had access to heaven, followed by a war in heaven. If he is bound a thousand years in this age it would have to fit while he still had access to heaven before getting cast out, except it can't fit there since that would be ludicrous. And it can't fit once he cast unto the earth. What else is left? Nothing.


Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Does it look like satan is in the pit a thousand years during any of this?

The above verses I submitted involve at least 2000 years, the same amount of years Amils insist are meaning the thousand years in Revelation 20. So why can't the thousand years in Revelation 20 be found in one single place in all of Revelation 12? It's obvious why they can't. The thousand years don't occur in this age, because if they did they would have to logically fit somewhere within Revelation 12, and that Amils would be able to show exactly where.