Paul's Man of Sin Doesn't Enter the Jewish Temple

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In Rev the first beast is an empire made up of ten smaller kings and kingdoms spanning the area of 7 mountains. The second beast is a person who is the ruler over this large empire. There is no other individual in the text who is another ruler and no one is above the false prophet except satan.
I don't disagree that the ten horns are ten kings (leaders) of that kingdom (the fourth empire). But the kingdom spanning the area of 7 mountains - no, that is not implied in the text.

Initially, the little horn is the person over the ten kings. And later the little horn person in the role of the beast (first beast), the ten kings offer up their kingdom to him to rule as dictator.

The second beast, the false prophet, does the miracles in the presence of the first beast (Revelation 13:14 and Revelation 19:20) . Therefore, the second beast is lesser in authority than the first beast.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The false prophet is not a ruler or king in the same sense as the first beast.
 
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It is because it says there are ten horns on the heads of the beast which means the kingdoms do in fact span the area of 7 mountains.
Do a copy and paste of the verse where you are reading that.
 
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I don't have to. Horns are on the head of a beast...they aren't on the arms or feet of a beast are they?
You made the statement -

"It is because it says there are ten horns on the heads of the beast which means the kingdoms do in fact span the area of 7 mountains."

You cannot produce a text, a verse, because you are making up where the horns are on the beast.

In the above, you also say "the kingdoms". Where-as in Revelation 13, when referring to a kingdom, it is one kingdom because in Revelation 17:12 and Revelation 17:17. it says of the ten horns (those kings) they have no kingdom yet, singular. One kingdom, which is the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7's four kingdoms.

1. It doesn't say in the text where the horns are on the beast. They could be on one head; several heads; all of the heads; none of the heads at all but on the shoulders or back of the beast.

2. It is not a normal beast such as an ox, because it has seven heads and has a composite body parts of four different beasts, including three former kingdoms of a bear, leopard, lion.

If anything, the ten horns are on one head - the 7th head - because the kingdom of the ten horns does not come into power until the little horn person (king 7 of Revelation 17:10) is in place. So for you to say that the kingdom of the little horn or beast spans 7 mountains is without merit. The ten horns are associated with only one of the heads - on the beast. If with any of the heads at all.
 
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That's false of course. The horns are on the heads.

Dan 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

This is the same beast John described so the horns are on the heads like where horns always are.
You keep making the same wrong assertion - of saying the ten horns are on the "heads (plural)" of the Revelation 13 beast. The ten horns are not on the heads plural but on one of the heads of the Revelation 13 beast.
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In Daniel 7, there is one head on the fourth kingdom. There are a total of 11 horns. Agree?

In Revelation 13 first beast (the fourth kingdom), there are seven heads on the fourth kingdom. Which of the 7 heads have the ten horns?

The 7th head on the Revelation 13 first beast is the little horn of Daniel 7. The ten horns are associated with him. The ten horns are on the 7th head.

The 7th head (the little horn person) + the ten horns (on the 7th head) = the 11 horns on the Daniel 7 fourth kingdom.
 
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You are contradicting everything you said about horns not being on the head/heads. Why even argue against what I said when you end up taking a similar position to what I did. You wasted both of our time doing that.
What I was disagreeing with was your assertion that the horns are on the heads plural.
 
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Great post and info.
The word Paul uses is "Sanctuary" not "Temple", which was inside the Temple complex and contained the Holy Place and Most Holy Place.
[The word Temple is also not used in Revelation]...........

YLT
2Th 2:3
let not any one deceive you in any manner, because -- if the falling away may not come first, and the man of sin be revealed -- the son of the destruction,
2Th 2:4
who is opposing and is raising himself up above all called God or worshiped, so that he in the Sanctuary of God as God hath sat down, shewing himself off that he is God -- the day doth not come.
Josephus records Titus himself entering the Sanctuary of the Temple where also the Jewish Menorah is shown to be taken.

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY


Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833>[Priests/Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
And the holy City they shall be treading<3961>forty two months.
===========================
Some Preterist commentaries:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12: A Preterist Commentary-The Man of Lawlessness Revealed! - Revelation Revolution

A Preterist Commentary on 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12: Summary and Highlights

Josephus says that Titus entered the Holy of Holies with his generals in A.D. 70. 1 Shortly thereafter, Titus was worshipped in the Temple in A.D. 70 as was customary of someone declared imperator in fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2:4: “He sets Himself up in God’s Temple proclaiming Himself to be God.” Josephus writes, “And now the Romans . . . brought their ensigns to the temple and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator.”2 A metallic image of Vespasian and Titus was also worshipped at that time. The image of Vespasian and Titus was found on the ensign called the numina legionum which was a large coin-shaped bust or image of the emperor and his favorites (i.e. Titus) held aloft on a pole.


Vespasian miraculously healed a blind man and a lame man or a man with a withered hand around the time of Titus’ return to Jerusalem to besiege the city and immediately prior to his triumphal entry into Rome as its new emperor literally fulfilling 2 Thessalonians 2:9: “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders . . .” Three different Roman historians recorded this miracle wherein Vespasian spit on eyes of the blind man and stepped on the hand of the cripple, healing both men: “With a smiling expression and surrounded by an expectant crowd of bystanders, he [Vespasian] did what was asked. Instantly the cripple recovered the use of his hand and the light of day dawned again upon his blind companion.”3
There were also many miracles recorded around the time Titus returned with the Roman army to besiege Jerusalem as well as afterwards when he returned to Rome to celebrate the triumph with his father.

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Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive

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General Titus Entering the Holy of Holies


destruction_complete.jpg

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What About Paul's Man of Sin? by John Noe @ PreteristArchive.com

Josephus records that the Roman General Titus had no intention of destroying the Temple. The Romans wanted to preserve it as a trophy and monument of their conquest. Even Josephus personally pleaded with John of Gischala to surrender. But such a "madness" swept through him and his Jewish followers that they taunted the powers of Rome and refused to listen. This man, John, through the power of Satan and the delusion sent by God upon the Jewish people, forced the Roman armies to act. Instead of accepting Jesus as Messiah, King, and Deliverer, the unbelieving Jews placed their hopes in this false messiah a man of deceit and wickedness.

They looked to the "man of sin" to lead them to victory and independence. The priesthood, which stood in their way, had been removed. And by August or September of A.D. 70, Paul's entire "man of sin" prophecy of 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-12 was fulfilled. The city and the Temple were burned and destroyed. The covenant nation of Israel and biblical Judaism were forever destroyed.

Only within this first century context does the Apostle Paul's "man of sin prophecy make sense and have its greatest significance. No justification exists for separating Paul's words from either the Temple standing at the time of his writing or the end of the Jewish age. John of Gischala, the son of Levi, was a contemporary of Paul. He was Paul's "man of sin."

The eyewitness account of Josephus, a Jewish-Roman historian
, truthfully and impartially documents his treachery and his critical role in Jerusalem's demise. No one else in history-Gains Caesar, Nero, Titus, or Domitian comes as close to fulfilling this prophecy as this most influential and deceiving Zealot leader John of Gischala took over the forces of iniquity He stood in the Temple itself and exalted himself above all that is called God. He put himself above both God and Caesar. He regarded neither the laws of God nor those of man. He therefore "set himself up" in the Temple, taking the place of God.

Judas betrayed Jesus. John of Gischala betrayed the Jews, fulfilling Paul's "man of sin" prophecy to a tee.

In dramatic paralleled fashion, Scripture gives this "man of sin" John of Gischala, the son of Levi- the name of" the one doomed to destruction" or "the son of perdition," the same name given to another infamous betrayer, Judas Iscariot (compare Jn. 17:12 with 2Th. 2:3 KJV).
Both appeared in the same "last days" time frame of the Old Covenant age. Judas betrayed Jesus. John of Gischala betrayed the Jews, fulfilling Paul's "man of sin" prophecy to a tee.

He was that 1st-century man who had to be revealed before the day of Christ in A.D. 70, and who was destroyed when it came. No future "man of sin" need come and fulfill this prophecy; it has already been fulfilled.
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Finding it impossible to restrain the impetuosity and cruelty of his soldiers, the Commander in chief proceeded, with some of his superior officers, to take a survey of those parts of the edifice which were still uninjured by the conflagration. It had not, at this time, reached the inner Temple, which Titus entered, and viewed with silent admiration. Struck with the magnificence of its architecture, and the beauty of its decorations, which even surpassed the report of fame concerning them ; and perceiving that the sanctuary had not yet caught fire, he redoubled his efforts to stop the progress of the flames. He condescended even to entreat his soldiers to exert all their strength and activity for this purpose, and appointed a centurion of the guards to punish them if they again disregarded him : but all was in vain. The delirious rage of the soldiery knew no bounds. Eager for plunder and for slaughter, they alike contemned the solicitations and menaces of their General. Even while he was thus intent upon the preservation of the sanctuary, one of the soldiers was actually employed in setting fire to the door- posts, which caused the conflagration to become general. Titus and his officers were now compelled to retire, and none remained to check the fury of the soldiers or the flames.

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins ; and the Roman army as in triumph on the event, came and reared their ensigns against a fragment of the eastern gate, and, with sacrifices of thanksgiving, proclaimed the imperial majesty of Titus, with every possible demonstration of joy.



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LLOJ,



I first encountered the notion that John of Gischala is the Man of Sin in a book called Leaving the Rapture Behind by Larry Pechawer, who is a seminary professor. Unfortunately, I loaned the book to a minister and never got it back.

There are problems with John of Gischala as the Man of Sin. You say that he was "destroyed" with the destruction of the Temple in AD 70. On the contrary, all historical sources agree that he was captured by the Romans, paraded with other captives by the Roman General Titus. He was taken to Rome and sentenced to life imprisonment. All sources agree that he died in a Roman prison, although no one seems to know exactly when. He may have survived for years after 70 AD. An unenviable fate, but it doesn't fit the claim that he was "destroyed" at the destruction of the Temple.

In contrast, Eleazar ben Simon, which I discussed in post #8, was killed by the Romans at the destruction of the Temple.

Many regard John of Gischala as an egomaniac or a madman who provoked the Romans and led the Jews into a war they couldn't win. This is the view of the Preterists. However, Jews have a more positive view of John of Gischala.

LLOJ, you quote John Noe, a Preterist, who describes Josephus as a truthful, impartial eyewitness. Yet Josephus was a Jewish general when Jerusalem was under siege. He is too close to the conflict to be impartial. Many Jews regard Josephus as a traitor and Josephus has been called a "mortal enemy" of John of Gischala. In short, many Jews prefer John of Gischala to Josephus.

Jews do not generally regard John of Gischala as an egomaniac who proclaimed himself to be the messiah and desecrated the Temple. They regard him as a patriot and a military leader who defended Israel, Jerusalem, and the Temple. They say that he did not invade the Temple and take its treasures because he thought he was equal to God or some such thing, he only did so as an emergency measure in desperate times.


From the Jewish Encyclopedia:
"Here he [John of Gischala] persuaded the people that it was better to repulse the Romans from behind strong walls than to die to no purpose in the small towns of Galilee. "

"When Eleazar disappeared from the scene, John took possession of the Temple."

"As the people had nothing more of which they could be robbed, John laid hands upon the vessels of the Temple."


From the Jewish Virtual Library:
"As the siege intensified, John did not hesitate to melt down the vessels of the Temple to provide weapons and used the Temple's supplies set aside for ritual purposes to ease the famine. "


Links
JOHN OF GISCALA (Johanan ben Levi) - JewishEncyclopedia.com
and
John of Giscala
 
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Great post and info.
The word Paul uses is "Sanctuary" not "Temple", which was inside the Temple complex and contained the Holy Place and Most Holy Place.
[The word Temple is also not used in Revelation]...........

YLT
2Th 2:3
let not any one deceive you in any manner, because -- if the falling away may not come first, and the man of sin be revealed -- the son of the destruction,
2Th 2:4
who is opposing and is raising himself up above all called God or worshiped, so that he in the Sanctuary of God as God hath sat down, shewing himself off that he is God -- the day doth not come.
Josephus records Titus himself entering the Sanctuary of the Temple where also the Jewish Menorah is shown to be taken.

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY


Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833>[Priests/Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
And the holy City they shall be treading<3961>forty two months.
===========================
Some Preterist commentaries:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12: A Preterist Commentary-The Man of Lawlessness Revealed! - Revelation Revolution

A Preterist Commentary on 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12: Summary and Highlights

Josephus says that Titus entered the Holy of Holies with his generals in A.D. 70. 1 Shortly thereafter, Titus was worshipped in the Temple in A.D. 70 as was customary of someone declared imperator in fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2:4: “He sets Himself up in God’s Temple proclaiming Himself to be God.” Josephus writes, “And now the Romans . . . brought their ensigns to the temple and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator.”2 A metallic image of Vespasian and Titus was also worshipped at that time. The image of Vespasian and Titus was found on the ensign called the numina legionum which was a large coin-shaped bust or image of the emperor and his favorites (i.e. Titus) held aloft on a pole.


Vespasian miraculously healed a blind man and a lame man or a man with a withered hand around the time of Titus’ return to Jerusalem to besiege the city and immediately prior to his triumphal entry into Rome as its new emperor literally fulfilling 2 Thessalonians 2:9: “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders . . .” Three different Roman historians recorded this miracle wherein Vespasian spit on eyes of the blind man and stepped on the hand of the cripple, healing both men: “With a smiling expression and surrounded by an expectant crowd of bystanders, he [Vespasian] did what was asked. Instantly the cripple recovered the use of his hand and the light of day dawned again upon his blind companion.”3
There were also many miracles recorded around the time Titus returned with the Roman army to besiege Jerusalem as well as afterwards when he returned to Rome to celebrate the triumph with his father.

============================
Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive

1860_litho1.jpg

General Titus Entering the Holy of Holies


destruction_complete.jpg

==================
What About Paul's Man of Sin? by John Noe @ PreteristArchive.com

Josephus records that the Roman General Titus had no intention of destroying the Temple. The Romans wanted to preserve it as a trophy and monument of their conquest. Even Josephus personally pleaded with John of Gischala to surrender. But such a "madness" swept through him and his Jewish followers that they taunted the powers of Rome and refused to listen. This man, John, through the power of Satan and the delusion sent by God upon the Jewish people, forced the Roman armies to act. Instead of accepting Jesus as Messiah, King, and Deliverer, the unbelieving Jews placed their hopes in this false messiah a man of deceit and wickedness.

They looked to the "man of sin" to lead them to victory and independence. The priesthood, which stood in their way, had been removed. And by August or September of A.D. 70, Paul's entire "man of sin" prophecy of 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-12 was fulfilled. The city and the Temple were burned and destroyed. The covenant nation of Israel and biblical Judaism were forever destroyed.

Only within this first century context does the Apostle Paul's "man of sin prophecy make sense and have its greatest significance. No justification exists for separating Paul's words from either the Temple standing at the time of his writing or the end of the Jewish age. John of Gischala, the son of Levi, was a contemporary of Paul. He was Paul's "man of sin."

The eyewitness account of Josephus, a Jewish-Roman historian
, truthfully and impartially documents his treachery and his critical role in Jerusalem's demise. No one else in history-Gains Caesar, Nero, Titus, or Domitian comes as close to fulfilling this prophecy as this most influential and deceiving Zealot leader John of Gischala took over the forces of iniquity He stood in the Temple itself and exalted himself above all that is called God. He put himself above both God and Caesar. He regarded neither the laws of God nor those of man. He therefore "set himself up" in the Temple, taking the place of God.

Judas betrayed Jesus. John of Gischala betrayed the Jews, fulfilling Paul's "man of sin" prophecy to a tee.

In dramatic paralleled fashion, Scripture gives this "man of sin" John of Gischala, the son of Levi- the name of" the one doomed to destruction" or "the son of perdition," the same name given to another infamous betrayer, Judas Iscariot (compare Jn. 17:12 with 2Th. 2:3 KJV).
Both appeared in the same "last days" time frame of the Old Covenant age. Judas betrayed Jesus. John of Gischala betrayed the Jews, fulfilling Paul's "man of sin" prophecy to a tee.

He was that 1st-century man who had to be revealed before the day of Christ in A.D. 70, and who was destroyed when it came. No future "man of sin" need come and fulfill this prophecy; it has already been fulfilled.
==============================
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Finding it impossible to restrain the impetuosity and cruelty of his soldiers, the Commander in chief proceeded, with some of his superior officers, to take a survey of those parts of the edifice which were still uninjured by the conflagration. It had not, at this time, reached the inner Temple, which Titus entered, and viewed with silent admiration. Struck with the magnificence of its architecture, and the beauty of its decorations, which even surpassed the report of fame concerning them ; and perceiving that the sanctuary had not yet caught fire, he redoubled his efforts to stop the progress of the flames. He condescended even to entreat his soldiers to exert all their strength and activity for this purpose, and appointed a centurion of the guards to punish them if they again disregarded him : but all was in vain. The delirious rage of the soldiery knew no bounds. Eager for plunder and for slaughter, they alike contemned the solicitations and menaces of their General. Even while he was thus intent upon the preservation of the sanctuary, one of the soldiers was actually employed in setting fire to the door- posts, which caused the conflagration to become general. Titus and his officers were now compelled to retire, and none remained to check the fury of the soldiers or the flames.

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins ; and the Roman army as in triumph on the event, came and reared their ensigns against a fragment of the eastern gate, and, with sacrifices of thanksgiving, proclaimed the imperial majesty of Titus, with every possible demonstration of joy.



Pompey-enters-Holy-of-Holies.jpg






Let me enlarge on my first reply to your post #12, which was mostly history.


Paul warned the Thessalonians about the Man of Sin. Yet to the Thessalonians, John of Gischala was only one of a number of Jewish leaders who lost a revolt against Rome. The Thessalonians were never tempted to become supporters of John of Giscala. Why would Paul bother to warn the Thessalonians against John of Gischala? From this we see that he cannot be the Man of Sin that Paul warned the churches in Greece about. The person that Paul warned them about would have to be someone who would be a danger to their salvation, or a danger to the salvation of their descendants.
 
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...Consider the impact of these letters and later events on the Thessalonians if we assume that the Thessalonians thought that Paul meant the Temple in Jerusalem. First, Paul tells them that at some time in the future, before the Second Coming, a Man of Sin will enter the Jewish Temple and commit sacrilege. Then, before this prophecy is fulfilled, a Roman army tears the Temple down. There is no realistic prospect of it being rebuilt. The Romans will not allow a Jewish Temple to be rebuilt. If the Jews had somehow managed to rebuild the Temple, the Romans would simply tear it down again. The most likely result is that the Thessalonians would lose faith in Paul and in the religion that he taught.

Suppose that Paul did know and understand the future in considerable detail. Suppose that he meant to refer to the Jewish Temple, and he knew that it would be destroyed and not rebuilt for hundreds of years. If these things had to happen before his prophecy was fulfilled, surely he would have said so. Paul would not have imperiled the faith of the Thessalonians by failing to mention that point...

Not necessarily. Only many centuries later did "that Prophet" that Moses had so vaguely referred to (the Christ) finally show up.

The NT Scriptures repeatedly blame unbelieving Israelites for their having failed to believe on Christ; not once does the NT blame Moses.

In short, your above reasoning has a hole in it.

Nevertheless, Romans 5: 6-8 - in each...our stead.

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I don't believe that Jews can be saved without accepting Jesus. I have heard ministers (Dispensationalists?) waffle on this point. I am inclined to believe that at some point, the Jews remaining on this earth will realize that Jesus really is the Jewish Messiah.

So do you also believe that Jews will be given a greater chance to be saved than non-Jews?
 
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So do you also believe that Jews will be given a greater chance to be saved than non-Jews?


No, not at all. I do believe that at some point the centuries-old resistance to Jews taking Jesus of Nazareth seriously will be broken down.
 
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No, not at all. I do believe that at some point the centuries-old resistance to Jews taking Jesus of Nazareth seriously will be broken down.
Well I believe it already has as per the 70 Week Prophecy. If you take the 70 week prophecy as all the other time prophecies and do not insert a inexplicable gap in between it, the prophecy would end with the stoning of Stephen If you review Stephen's speech/sermon he recapped the entire history of Israel and made an appeal for them to accept him and the Jewish Leaders not only rejected, but killed him. If you look at the few details about how he died, what he said, etc, it resembles when Jesus died. Then right after this, Paul is converted and sent to the Gentiles. It is no coincidence that Paul gets sent to the gentiles right after the 70 week prophecy was completed.
 
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No, not at all. I do believe that at some point the centuries-old resistance to Jews taking Jesus of Nazareth seriously will be broken down.

It has been broken down since Calvary for all of those who, of their own free will, in faith and obedience, receive and follow Christ.

What other "breaking down" is necessary?
 
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It has been broken down since Calvary for all of those who, of their own free will, in faith and obedience, receive and follow Christ.

What other "breaking down" is necessary?


I don't understand why I'm being pummeled with questions on this subject. I haven't said anything about the Jews that is controversial. I believe that Jews should convert to Christianity. I believe that they should accept that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. I am in favor of evangelism. Beyond that, when it happens is between them and God.
 
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I don't understand why I'm being pummeled with questions on this subject. I haven't said anything about the Jews that is controversial. I believe that Jews should convert to Christianity. I believe that they should accept that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. I am in favor of evangelism. Beyond that, when it happens is between them and God.

No pummeling intended. Simply attempting to reinforce Scripture's message that God's criteria for identifying His Chosen People are faith and obedience exclusively.

And that ethnicity, bloodline, and physical DNA are irrelevant.

That is, spiritual DNA; and nothing else.
 
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I don't understand why I'm being pummeled with questions on this subject. I haven't said anything about the Jews that is controversial. I believe that Jews should convert to Christianity. I believe that they should accept that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. I am in favor of evangelism. Beyond that, when it happens is between them and God.

Well understand that it is in keeping with the topic. The idea that an Antichrist is going to stand in a rebuild Jewish Temple comes from an interpretation of the 70 week prophecy in Daniel 9 that was proposed by Jesuit Priest, Francisco Ribera. So in terms of my questioning, it is to point out that understanding this properly is important to this entire subject.
 
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The Man of Sin, Little Horn, Anti-Christ are all the same, a MAN/Beast. Rev, 12 is the Dragon Beast Satan as denoted by the CROWNS on the 7 Heads, in Luke 4 we see Satan tells Jesus that ALL these Kingdoms are his to do as he wills with, so the CROWNS on the 7 Heads denote Satan as that Beast. The CROWNS in the 10 Horns/Kings in Rev. 13 DENOTE the Anti-Christ man as that Beast, the 10 Kings freely give their power unto the Beast. A beast just represents an OPPRESSOR. The Rev. 17 Beast is Apollyon, the King of the Bottomless Pit who WAS....IS NOT....YET IS. He has NO CROWNS.

I understand that via scripture, but I also had a vision in 1986 about the Man of Sin, and to affirm this to a young Christian {we have a tendency as young Christians to ignore things} I had another vision where I was in this HUGE Auditorium, and there was Jimmy Swaggart preaching to about 10 people, I was one. A week or 2 later God took his ministry from him, but I saw that before it happened !! So I then took the Man of Sin very serious, God said very loudly in my vision where I was running from some evil dudes with two small kids.........THE MAN OF SIN IS HERE..........That was 1986. The bible easily confirms who the Man of Sin is.



Matthew 24:15-17 tells the Jews to FLEE when they see the Abomination of Desolation, that stands where it ought not to stand. Daniel tells us that the Sacrifice is taken away and the holy of hollies is defiled. So the IMAGE of Rev. 13 is placed in the Temple no doubt, because the False Prophet is a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason under Antiochus. The TWO TYPES were together !! Jason's real name was Yeshua, he bribed Antiochus to be named the High Priest, then tried to Hellenize the Jews, thus his Greek name of Jason, the Jews rebelled {Maccabean Revolt}. The False Prophet will also be a High Priest who tries to turn the Jews into WORLDLY TYPES and tries to get them to forsake their God.


Hes the Beast and hes cast into hell in Dan. 7:11 and Rev. 19:20, as a MAN, his body is DESTROYED and hes cast into Hell. The False Prophet is a RELIGIOUS Beast.



RT: "The Man of Sin, Little Horn, Anti-Christ are all the same, a MAN/Beast. Rev, 12 is the Dragon Beast Satan as denoted by the CROWNS on the 7 Heads, in Luke 4 we see Satan tells Jesus that ALL these Kingdoms are his to do as he wills with, so the CROWNS on the 7 Heads denote Satan as that Beast. "

I don't know how you claim to know that the Little Horn in Daniel, a political and military leader, is the same person as Paul's Man of Sin, a religious leader. You say that "Satan tells Jesus that ALL these Kingdoms are his" during the Temptation of Christ. Maybe Satan exaggerates what he can deliver.

RT: "The Rev. 17 Beast is Apollyon, the King of the Bottomless Pit who WAS....IS NOT....YET IS. He has NO CROWNS."

You seem to be contradicting yourself. Revelation Chapter 9 tells us that Apollyon is the King of Locusts. Most likely Apollyon is another name for Satan and calling him the King of Locusts is simply portraying the horror people will feel as their food supply is consumed by hordes of insects. Since Apollyon is King of Locusts, he must have a crown in that capacity so it makes no sense to identify him as having no crowns. In addition, you just called him "the King of the Bottomless Pit," awarding another crown to Apollyon. You are saying that Apollyon does and doesn't, have a crown. A title like King of the Bottomless Pit plainly shows us that Apollyon is almost certainly another name for Satan.

RT: "THE MAN OF SIN IS HERE..........That was 1986. The bible easily confirms who the Man of Sin is."

I don't see how the Man of Sin was evident in 1986 or the present.

RT: "The False Prophet will also be a High Priest who tries to turn the Jews into WORLDLY TYPES and tries to get them to forsake their God. "

The Second Beast, or False Prophet, is introduced in Revelation 13. Let's look at the passage.

14 Because of the signs it [the Second Beast] was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it [the Second Beast] deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It [the Second Beast] also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads ...
Revelation 13: 14-17 NIV


RT, your interpretation says that the Second Beast/False Prophet is a Jewish High Priest, presumably at a Temple that hasn't been built yet. Yet the text of Revelation doesn't say that the First Beast or the Second Beast are Jews. It doesn't say that they have set up their headquarters in Israel. What it does say is that the Second Beast deceives "the inhabitants of the earth" and forces "all people" to receive the Mark of the Beast. It sounds much more like this is a worldwide occurrence, a worldwide movement, not something that happens in Israel or among Jews.
 
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I don't know how you claim to know that the Little Horn in Daniel, a political and military leader, is the same person as Paul's Man of Sin, a religious leader. You say that "Satan tells Jesus that ALL these Kingdoms are his" during the Temptation of Christ. Maybe Satan exaggerates what he can deliver.


Christ also said that Satan was the ruler of the world (John_14:30) so what Satan claimed there is true. Satan also performed a type miracle or expression of power as well:

Luk 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

But as we know, Christ was not impressed by any of this and rebuked satan.
 
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