Perhaps the Time is Now for Republican Leaders to Force Trump to Resign

Kentonio said:

Calling people ‘spastic’ is a reference to disabled people. Its use in this kind of context is basically saying that they’re acting crazy and/or idiotic, and comparing that to the disabled.

It might not be considered as big a deal in the US, but in the UK it’s considered highly offensive and it can be extremely hurtful to disabled people.

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theoneandonlypencil said:

Ah, I see. Well, in their defense, this is the world wide web--and seeing as they're from the US, I don't think they meant it in the way that it's used in the UK.

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It has a similar meaning in the US, and people with diseases like Cerebral Palsy find it insulting. As an example, here is the definition from dictionary.com, "Slang: Offensive. awkward or clumsy." Though perhaps I know about it because I've had a couple of friends that suffered from diseases that caused muscle spasms.

Kentonio said:

Trump has to answer for his crimes, otherwise the US Presidency is deeply sullied moving forwards.

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Hmmm... I started to agree, but then thought...Trump is just Trump. A one time bad thing. I'd expect a good president after him, because millions of voters will have learned a lesson.

Replacing Trump would require GOP lawmakers to grow spinal columns. Not likely.

AvilaSurfer said:

Trump’s not going anywhere. And the more the Trump haters yap, the better chance he has in 2020. So keep yapping.

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If Trump came to my house I'd be delighted, and invite him in, and truly love him. I'd love if he stayed for dinner.

Really.

But, I certainly cannot vote for him, even though I like some key things he has done like confronting China on trade.

Got that? I love him. (but not quite a lot of bad things he's done -- don't love those wrong things)

I'd never vote for him!

I'm not a liberal. I'm an independent who has voted for more republicans than any other party.

Kentonio said:

Calling people ‘spastic’ is a reference to disabled people. Its use in this kind of context is basically saying that they’re acting crazy and/or idiotic, and comparing that to the disabled.

It might not be considered as big a deal in the US, but in the UK it’s considered highly offensive and it can be extremely hurtful to disabled people.

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No, it's extremely serous here in the U.S. And, for a majority. Many don't even know what Trump did.

By itself it would show he's not fit for this job.

theoneandonlypencil said:

Ah, I see. Well, in their defense, this is the world wide web--and seeing as they're from the US, I don't think they meant it in the way that it's used in the UK.

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usexpat97 said:

Yeah, I don't get it. Trump is an embarrassment to the Republican party. The embarrassment has already been done; we know that already. Cut your losses and move on. Constantly defending Trump in an attempt to avoid embarrassment, won't--and it only makes it worse on both Republicans AND Democrats.

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They'll never convince him to resign unless they can show him that he won't survive an impeachment... this will not happen because:

1: honestly, Donald will survive an impeachment. He still has enough sycophants in Congress that the moderates -- you know, "human scum" -- would be committing political hara-kiri to go forward.

2. Even if the Senate GOP did have the votes, they'd never convince him... the man has utterly unshakable faith in his own greatness.

By itself, alone, this video at bottom would be enough for someone like me that has voted mostly for republicans to vote for anyone but Trump.

Even just by itself, alone.

Even before other evils, like the much greater one of slandering Mexican immigrants by suggesting they are less law abiding than average people (they are actually more law abiding than native born Americans).

In reality:
The results in this updated brief show that in Texas in 2017, illegal immigrants were 47 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime than native-born Americans and legal immigrants were about 65 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime than native-born Americans. The conviction and arrest rates for illegal immigrants were lower than those for native-born Americans but higher than those for legal immigrants. This result holds in just about every case, including homicide, sex crimes, larceny, and most other crimes.
Criminal Immigrants in Texas in 2017: Illegal Immigrant Conviction Rates and Arrest Rates for Homicide, Sex Crimes, Larceny, and Other Crimes
This holds nationally also:
All immigrants have a lower criminal incarceration rate and there are lower crime rates in the neighborhoods where they live, according to the near-unanimous findings of the peer-reviewed evidence.
Illegal Immigrants and Crime – Assessing the Evidence

But, by itself, just this would be enough that I could not vote for Trump:

His resignation would enable the nation to move on with minimal disruption. The next best option would be a clear electoral defeat next year. However, he seems to be becoming ever more erratic. He has already done much damage to the economy and to the national image. Impeachment might just be the only way out but it will be hugely divisive.

JackRT said:

His resignation would enable the nation to move on with minimal disruption. The next best option would be a clear electoral defeat next year. However, he seems to be becoming ever more erratic. He has already done much damage to the economy and to the national image. Impeachment might just be the only way out but it will be hugely divisive.

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Yeah; though I may be a little more optimistic. If Trump is removed, I think about 85%-95% of Americans will move on promptly and not even listen to his tweets anymore.

I think the tide is turning.

Most people were content for wait for the November 2020 election.

But Trump continues to do things most people find unacceptable.

Our U.S. Constitution provides for that possibility. Congress is starting to realize they have to respond, and can't just play along.

Even republicans.

Democrats too: for many the political calculation might have been that democrats were better off with Trump in office -- he would continue to push more voters over to democrats.

But, even despite this big advantage to keeping him in office, it's finally gotten to be too much, and now democrats may be realizing they have to do their duty to the nation, or their own voters will begin looking to have some 3rd political party, to replace them!

Halbhh said:

No, it's extremely serous here in the U.S. And, for a majority. Many don't even know what Trump did.

By itself it would show he's not fit for this job.

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Huh, odd. I've heard the term 'spastic' for years as just another adjective meaning crazy or unpredictable. Never heard anyone talk about it related to cerebral palsy, so that's my bad I guess.

theoneandonlypencil said:

Huh, odd. I've heard the term 'spastic' for years as just another adjective meaning crazy or unpredictable. Never heard anyone talk about it related to cerebral palsy, so that's my bad I guess.

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No, you're correct about that.

But...in a whole different way, the same concept could be used as a really cutting and just evil put down, depending on the tone and intent.

See video just above.

No doubt.

Given the likelihood that a Democratic candidate may actually exist on the left wing of the spectrum, you'd think they'd want to run someone more appealing for moderates. Easy election I would think.

If Trump resigns…what stops him from running again?

zephcom said:

First the article which brought this thought on:

Bill Taylor testimony 'reverberating' among House Republicans, GOP sources say - CNNPolitics

If Trump has become so much of a liability that they can no longer defend him, getting him to resign now would give them the chance to back Mike Pence for the election. If they wait until they become forced by the massive amount of evidence to support the impeachment, it will be too late for Pence to mount a campaign and they will surely lose to whoever the Democrats run.

I'm just saying, sometimes one just has to cut their losses and move on.

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All the conspiracy stuff Trump fuels has a life of its own, if the Republican Party drops him their base of voters, who believe in all that stuff, will be furious.

Tom Farebrother said:

All the conspiracy stuff Trump fuels has a life of its own, if the Republican Party drops him their base of voters, who believe in all that stuff, will be furious.

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On the flip side, when Trump is no longer President, he can be charged based on things the various investigations have found (Trump Foundation, Stormy Daniels payoff, obstruction of justice, fraud on taxes and/or bank loan applications etc). It will be interesting to see how those trials turn out (which could effect his ability to run again, particularly if he gets prison time) and how his supporters will react if he is found guilty of various crimes.

Halbhh said:

I think the tide is turning.

Most people were content for wait for the November 2020 election.

But Trump continues to do things most people find unacceptable.

Our U.S. Constitution provides for that possibility. Congress is starting to realize they have to respond, and can't just play along.

Even republicans.

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What do you mean even republicans? You mean Mitt Romney? List all the names of Republicans you think are going to oppose him? Sorry but that's a mere fantasy you're entertaining.

SimplyMe said:

On the flip side, when Trump is no longer President, he can be charged based on things the various investigations have found (Trump Foundation, Stormy Daniels payoff, obstruction of justice, fraud on taxes and/or bank loan applications etc). It will be interesting to see how those trials turn out (which could effect his ability to run again, particularly if he gets prison time) and how his supporters will react if he is found guilty of various crimes.

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From what I’ve seen on threads here, anything Trump does produces some initial surprise but then the desire to believe takes over and people start bending reality into all kinds of shapes favourable to Trump. Over a long career of playing loose with the rules Trump has become an expert at delay and deflection , if he ever is convicted of anything many will still view it as some plot by the ‘deep state’.

The_Barmecide said:

The party will, sooner or later, give him the option of leaving. Frankly I'm surprised it has taken up to this point!

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They haven't hit critical mass. (or at least they don't know if they have critical mass or not)
They have to be able to find out who is also willing to ouster Trump.
It's very dangerous territory for them.

If a person shows dissent then Trump fires him or gets supporters to vote for a more loyal Trumper.
I'm sure Trump is testing some people's loyalty by getting them to do questionable things. Get them into a position where they need his support and protection (because he knows of the questionable things they have done and can rat them out if he wants, this way he gains power over them), so they will then have no choice but to be 100% loyal.

It's what I would do if I was that way inclined. I'd have my spies, I'd instill fear into my subordinates, make them fear talking about anything other than 100% loyalty. I'd make public and humiliating examples of dissenters.
I'm sure Trump is putting lots and lots of effort into keeping them towing the line.