- Statement of Purpose - Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose
- Partial Preterism: holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.
- The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.
- Amillennialism: "no millennium", rejects the theory that Jesus Christ will have a thousand-year-long, physical reign on the earth. The amillennial viewpoint holds that the thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20 is a symbolic number, not a literal description; that the millennium has already begun and is identical with the current church age.
It is possible to interpret the "
resurrection" Mr. Preston highlights as a "
spiritual resurrection of [true spiritual] Israel" = "gentiles grafted in to the rootstock of Abraham and trunk of the Jewish Apostles" = Church
Church = "body of Christ" on earth
Church triumphant after all "spiritual stones in spiritual temple" had been scattered by the Crucifixion = Spiritual Resurrection of True Spiritual Israel (John 2:21)
It is possible to distinguish that
Spiritual Resurrection of True Spiritual Israel as the Church... from the physical bodily resurrection at Final Judgement after the Second Coming
BABerean2 said:
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Erik, Instead of reporting this post to the administrators of this forum, I would like to ask you personally to remove the video of Full-Preterist Don K. Preston from this thread.
I'm not accepting his conclusions
I'm showing how he's actually supporting conventional partial preterism
His "Resurrection", as he himself defines from Isaiah 27, obviously refers to the spiritual "resurrection" of spiritual Israel as the Church
Hello Eric. Good response......
It is called "discernment", and something the pre-70AD Jewish Rulers lacked, as prophecied.
NKJV)
Pro 19:25
Strike a scoffer, and the simple will become wary;
Rebuke one who has understanding,
and he will discern knowledge.
Isa 6:10
“Make the heart of this people dull, And their ears heavy, And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And return and be healed.”
Jhn 9:41
Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin;
but now you say, ‘We see.' Therefore your sin remains.
Mat 16:3 “and in the morning,
‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.'
Hypocrites![fn] You know how to discern the face of the sky,
but you cannot discern the signs of the times.
Luk 12:56 “
Hypocrites! You can discern the face of the sky and of the earth,
but how is it you do not discern this time?
Job 15:34 For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.
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According to Josephus's writings, he was also Preterist/Amill..........
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted
By George Peter Holford
(Written in 1805)
"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else
to support Christianity, as
absolutely irresistible."
(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)
PREFACE
History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived ; the solemn warnings and admonitions which they hold out to all nations, but especially such as are favoured with the light and blessings of REVELATION ; together with the impressive and terrific grandeur of the events themselves -- are circumstances which must always insure to the subject of the following pages more than ordinary degrees of interest and importance. Many eminent and learned men have employed their pens in the illustration of it ;.........................
Upon the execution of the tract, generally, the public will determine. Usefulness is the writer's main object ; and if a perusal of it shall contribute, under the DIVINE BLESSING, to confirm the wavering faith of only one Christian, or to shake the vain confidence of a single Unbeliever, his labour will be abundantly rewarded.
G.H.
Our Lord now retired to the Mount of Olives, to which place the disciples followed him, in order to make more particular inquiries relative to the time when the calamitous events, foretold by him, would come to pass. We have already intimated, that, the Mount of Olives commanded a full view of Jerusalem and the temple. No situation, therefore, could have been better adapted to give energy to a prediction which related chiefly to their total ruin and demolition.; and if we suppose (and the supposition is highly probable) that our LORD, While in the act of speaking, pointed to the majestic and stupendous edifices, whose destruction he foretold, every word which he then uttered must have been clothed with inexpressible sublimity, and derived from the circumstances of the surrounding scenery a force and effect, which it is not possible adequately to conceive
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread
Matthew 24:3 Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall
these be being? and
what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and
full-consummation<4930> of the Age?
Mark 13:3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own 4 Tell us!
when these shall be? and
what the sign whenever may be being about<3195>
all these to be fully-consummated<4931>.
Luke 21:7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!
when then shall
these be being?
And
what the sign whenever may be being about<3195>
these to becoming<1096>?
"Tell us, when shall these things be ? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled ?" Such were the questions of the disciples, in answer to which our LORD condescended to give them a particular account of the several important events that would precede, as well as of the prognostics which would announce, the approaching desolations ; including suitable directions for the regulation of their conduct under the various trials to which they were to be exposed. He commences with a caution : "Take heed," says be, "that no man deceive you ; for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ
, and shall deceive many." The necessity for this friendly warning soon appeared ; for within one year after our Lord's ascension, rose Dositheus the Samaritan, who had the boldness to assert that he was the Messiah, of whom Moses prophesied ; while his disciple Simon Magus deluded
multitudes into a belief that he, himself, was the " GREAT POWER OF GOD." About three years afterwards another Samaritan impostor appeared, and declared that he would shew the people the sacred utensils, said to have been deposited by Moses, in mount Gerizim. Induced by an idea that the Messiah, their great deliverer, was now come, an armed
multitude assembled under him, but Pilate speedily defeated them, and slew their chief. While Cuspius Fadus was procurator in Judea, another deceiver arose, whose name was Theudas.
[4] This man actually succeeded s O far as to persuade a
very great multitude to take their effects and follow him to Jordan, assuring them, that the river would divide at his command. Fadus, however, pursued their with a troop of horse, and slew many of them, and among the rest the impostor himself, whose head was cut off and carried to Jerusalem. Under the government of Felix, deceivers rose up daily in Judea, and persuaded the people to follow them into the
wilderness, assuring them that they should there behold conspicuous signs and wonders performed by the ALMIGHTY...................
If one believes
Josephus to be a reliable witness concerning the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem, then how could one not view MUCH if not all of the OD as fulfilled?
JOSEPHUS, OLIVET DISCOURSE AND BOOK OF REVELATION
History of the Destruction of Jerusalem & Josephan Studies Archives
Flavius Josephus, a Jewish priest and Pharisee, was put in command of the national resistance in Galilee at the time of Israel's revolt against Rome. When he was captured at Jotapata; his life was spared upon his prediction to rival Vespasian, that the Roman general would soon become emperor. Upon the fulfillment of this prophecy shortly thereafter, he was commissioned to provide his captors with a history of the Jewish people, although he initially wrote a history of the Roman-Jewish war suited for both a Roman and a Jewish audience. His works, disputed though they may be regarding accuracy,
are an indispensable source on the history of Roman Judea..........
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Was Josephus a reliable witness to Jerusalem 70ad?
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Yes, it appears he was
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- I don't think he was
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- Who was Josephus?
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Josephus was correct concerning the fulfillment of the Olivet Discourse
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"Ye will hear of battles and rumors of battles" 1st century concluding in Judea/Jerusalem 70ad
Matthew 24:6
“Yet ye shall be being about to be hearing
battles and tidings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled<2360>, for is binding to becoming,
but not as yet
the End<5056>
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Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive
CAST OF CHARACTERS:
Roman: Emperor Nero |
General Vespasian |
General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus |
Factional Leaders in Jerusalem ||
Administrators of Roman Judea Targets:
Jerusalem |
Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline
CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR
Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70
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