The Paraclete, He Who Overcometh.

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Throughout Revelation Jesus refers to a figure of mystic distinction; a figure known as “Who He Overcometh”. He is given divine attributes specific to Jesus which he himself received from his Father.

A common theory or assumption is that this figure refers esoterically to the church as a whole but there is one grave issue that prevents this from being true. Imagine the scene of Jesus at the right hand of his elder form, his Father then imagine this figure “He Who Overcometh” at the right hand of Jesus; below this scene Revelation describes another distinction group in the hierarchy, The 24 Elders of Revelation 4.

“The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” - Revelation 4:10-10

If the frivolous assumption that this title referred to the church was correct, would the 24 Elders be actually the least of the church as they hadn’t received “Authority and The Morningstar”?

Remember “He Who Overcometh” is at the right hand of Christ/God and receives the Authority only afforded to Jesus before while the 24 Elders are below in prostration.

“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”- Revelation 3:21

“And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” - Revelation 2:26-29
 

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Throughout Revelation Jesus refers to a figure of mystic distinction; a figure known as “Who He Overcometh”. He is given divine attributes specific to Jesus which he himself received from his Father.
Give a specific example please.
I don't think I could find one. (after reading the Bible for decades, and using the search engines for many years also) ....
 
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Give a specific example please.
I don't think I could find one. (after reading the Bible for decades, and using the search engines for many years also) ....
The specific examples are the verses in the OP. As well, you could also include any verse in Revelation which mentions “He Who Overcometh”.
 
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Oh since you say so it must be.
No one I knew, know, or read about, in Scripture, or anywhere, ever, thinks otherwise.

Also, in harmony with all scripture, it must be people who overcome. The other idea has never even come up until this thread, and while I might 'guess' (educated guess, but a guess) where it originated centuries ago, it is better not to I think. Perhaps Yahuweh will reveal this ?
 
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No one I knew, know, or read about, in Scripture, or anywhere, ever, thinks otherwise.

Also, in harmony with all scripture, it must be people who overcome. The other idea has never even come up until this thread, and while I might 'guess' (educated guess, but a guess) where it originated centuries ago, it is better not to I think. Perhaps Yahuweh will reveal this ?
What’s you’re justification for the 24 Elders? Below the throne or at the right hand? Starting to sound like Islam logic bro
 
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