Noah's Ark Part 2: Marsupial Edition

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Well, since the courses you took were not taken with the true history of this creation as fact, and since they looked to disprove the Word of God on purpose and to hide all the evidence that supports the Word of God on creation, I do not believe you have any degrees that will help you understand Truth of the Creation that is out there for those who have a heart to know.
The teachers who you took your courses under had no love of truth, and only regurgitated what they were told to regurgitate to keep the Truth of Creation from being believed, and to discredit the Word of God.
True geology supports the Biblical history of creation and the flood.
True biology supports special creation.
And also, true history shows that the American continents were known about and nations in the western continents were traded with by all sea faring nations and were settled from ancient times.
You might look into that. It’s true history that is easy to find out about in this Information Age.
. Scientists don’t give a rat’s behind about disproving God . Their job is to figure out how natural phenomena works . The true history of the universe is written in the universe. Scientists have figured out how to read the earths true history by looking at the earth not in Bronze Age allegorical stories

The humans in the Americas walked over the land bridge that used to connect Russia with Alaska during the last ice age. American Indians came from the area that is now China and east Russia
 
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The fantasy world of creationists does not exist . Science facts are like dominoes. Push here and you get consequences. Any version of a global flood would cause the planet’s surface temperature to become high enough to melt lead . Fast moving tectonic plates is also equally impossible as a land mass like India moving from the side of Africa to Asia in a few months, would cause major damage to the planet including changing the length of the day . The bolide that wiped out the non avian dinosaurs wasn’t even 1/10 that size . View attachment 265315
You’ll have to google the page that’s a photo

What you are missing is the fact that the flood, like the virgin birth, like the resurrection of Jesus, like creation, were all miracles. A supernatural event caused by God. The flood of the Bible wasn't simply a great catastrophic event that occurred, it was a supernatural event. We know this because God told Noah to build the ark, God called the animals into the ark and God closed the door of the ark. Miracles are exactly that, events NOT supported by science. If you want every single thing to tick the science boxes then you can't have Jesus healing the blind, raising Lazarus from death or any other miracle in the Bible. Science would say all of these is a total impossibility. Yet we believe -or I assume you do in other Bible miracles, I don't know anything about the Episcopalian church.
 
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. Scientists don’t give a rat’s behind about disproving God . Their job is to figure out how natural phenomena works . The true history of the universe is written in the universe. Scientists have figured out how to read the earths true history by looking at the earth not in Bronze Age allegorical stories

The humans in the Americas walked over the land bridge that used to connect Russia with Alaska during the last ice age. American Indians came from the area that is now China and east Russia
Au contraire!
The so called scientists of whom you speak are either very disinterested in truth, or are interested in hiding that which would prove the Word of God as truth.
There are other scientists who are much into Truth, The Word, and studying God’s creation from the basis of His Word, which is True from the beginning.
And FYI: The creation is supernatural. The Creator is supernatural, and the creation is upheld supernaturally by the Word of God, who created all things and in whom all things exist.
No one can reproduce the creation, so no one can study it, because we live in it, and we did not exist when God brought it into being.
He did, however tell us the order He created it in, and the time that He chose to do it in, and how long ago it was.
 
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What you are missing is the fact that the flood, like the virgin birth, like the resurrection of Jesus, like creation, were all miracles. A supernatural event caused by God. The flood of the Bible wasn't simply a great catastrophic event that occurred, it was a supernatural event. We know this because God told Noah to build the ark, God called the animals into the ark and God closed the door of the ark. Miracles are exactly that, events NOT supported by science. If you want every single thing to tick the science boxes then you can't have Jesus healing the blind, raising Lazarus from death or any other miracle in the Bible. Science would say all of these is a total impossibility. Yet we believe -or I assume you do in other Bible miracles, I don't know anything about the Episcopalian church.
Since there’s no evidence for a global Flood and creationists are also well documented as making up silly just-so stories about it, I’ll take any so called evidence for the Flood with a grain of salt . ( Stupid impossible things like fast moving tectonic plates and hydrological sorting that has oaks running faster than ferns ...... really! )

Episcopalians accept mainstream science as we decided that God created THIS universe and the people who wrote the Bible didn’t create anything
 
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Au contraire!
The so called scientists of whom you speak are either very disinterested in truth, or are interested in hiding that which would prove the Word of God as truth.
There are other scientists who are much into Truth, The Word, and studying God’s creation from the basis of His Word, which is True from the beginning.
And FYI: The creation is supernatural. The Creator is supernatural, and the creation is upheld supernaturally by the Word of God, who created all things and in whom all things exist.
No one can reproduce the creation, so no one can study it, because we live in it, and we did not exist when God brought it into being.
He did, however tell us the order He created it in, and the time that He chose to do it in, and how long ago it was.
Yes, scientists know the order that the universe was formed in and the time it was done in and how long ago it was . And .... this is the good part, scientists have got the evidence for their claims!!!! ! The most I’ve ever seen with scientists making a mistake was in minor stuff which creationists will take WAY out of proportion.For example, complaining about Gingerich saying that mesonychids are whale ancestors when they’re just close cousins . This is tempest in a teapot stuff and you’d have to compare that with the fact there’s no evidence for any creationist ideas about nature- zero ,zip ,nada ,none ! The most I’ve ever seen from creationists is a convoluted form of denial mixed with impossible fantasy versions of how things happened and commonly some outright lies.
 
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Since there’s no evidence for a global Flood and creationists are also well documented as making up silly just-so stories about it, I’ll take any so called evidence for the Flood with a grain of salt . ( Stupid impossible things like fast moving tectonic plates and hydrological sorting that has oaks running faster than ferns ...... really! )

Episcopalians accept mainstream science as we decided that God created THIS universe and the people who wrote the Bible didn’t
I’m sorry for you. I’m certain that there are some Episcopalians who DO NOT accept the consensus of opinion that you stated above and who do believe that GOD spoke through the prophets of old and used them to write what He wanted them to write.

In Genesis, after God created Adam from the dust of the earth and breathed into him the breath of life, God “took” Adam (the Hebrew word for took/laqach means to remove from one place to another, to go get, to marry), and set him in the Garden of Eden/Paradise, to guard it -the literal word translated “set” means to work, labor, and the word translated to keep it means to guard it -and the word is the Hebrew root for the Japanese word, “samurai”. -I just threw that in for free, for you :)

The most interesting thing for a real seeker of Truth from the Word, is that Paradise, in Eden, is in the third heaven, as Paul so states in 2 Corinthians 12:1-4. He was caught up ( the Greek word means to rapture), to the third heaven, to Paradise.
So, when we read the Word of God, it tells us that God stretched out the heavens from the globe of waters on day 2, and that those stretched out heavens were made in “stories”, as it says in one of the prophets...I’ll check.
Here it is: Amos 9:6 It is he that buildeth his stories/ascensions in the heaven, and hath founded his troop/firmament in the earth;

But you can believe anything you want, and not believe in the supernatural creation, and you can miss all the wonderful delights of things in His Word revealed when you go seeking to find His truths. I choose to believe His Word, and to be delighted in His revelations of His power and Wisdom in His Word, and I reject any teachings of men who reject the Facts He laid out in His Word, in Genesis 1 -3, and after, about what He did, how long He took to do it, and then, with the chronological records, how long ago He did it.
 
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That's because we don't need evidence. There are creationists who go on about proof and evidence-I am not normally one of them. I think that is completely the wrong way to look at it. It's easy to get drawn into that occasionally though. The fact remains that creation is a miracle, a supernatural event that can't be tested or proven, it has to be taken on faith and faith alone. My argument is that it is a part of the Bible, the author meant for it to be taken literally, Jesus and Paul both quote back to it a few times. So either the whole Bible is to be taken seriously and believed or none of it should be. How can you say Jesus rose from the dead but God couldn't create in 6 days. The Bible says both, so either the whole thing is a reliable text or it isn't.
I see creatures that evolutionists say is the ancestor to this or that, because that is what they take it to be. I can look at those same creatures and simply say God made a lot of different animals.
 
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That’s the official stance of my church we accept mainstream science facts. Individuals believe what they want! Scientists can’t believe what they want if they’re doing science. Everything has to evidence based . Science has no room for beliefs. You can have questions that can be answered but aren’t yet - testable hypotheses. Science deals with those and tries to find answers for them by looking for evidence.
You can have questions which can’t be answered like , do we have verifiable evidence of God? And science doesn’t deal with those simply because it’s a waste of time and money to research a question you can’t actually answer. .

You claimed that scientists want to deny God . That’s not true. Scientists like atheist Richard Dawkins are expressing their opinions , which they’re entitled to. But scientific facts are not opinions and accepting facts is not optional . If facts been verified to the point that denial makes you a crackpot then you’re a crackpot if you deny them . Creationists are at that crackpot stage and have been skating on thin ice there for at least the last 400 years . We live in a heliocentric solar system. The solar system is not the universe. The same atoms make up plants animals and humans. The earth is very old , the universe is even older and the common descent of all the life on earth is a fact . Stop living in the 16th century this is the 21st.
 
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I’m sorry for you. I’m certain that there are some Episcopalians who DO NOT accept the consensus of opinion that you stated above and who do believe that GOD spoke through the prophets of old and used them to write what He wanted them to write.

In Genesis, after God created Adam from the dust of the earth and breathed into him the breath of life, God “took” Adam (the Hebrew word for took/laqach means to remove from one place to another, to go get, to marry), and set him in the Garden of Eden/Paradise, to guard it -the literal word translated “set” means to work, labor, and the word translated to keep it means to guard it -and the word is the Hebrew root for the Japanese word, “samurai”. -I just threw that in for free, for you :)

The most interesting thing for a real seeker of Truth from the Word, is that Paradise, in Eden, is in the third heaven, as Paul so states in 2 Corinthians 12:1-4. He was caught up ( the Greek word means to rapture), to the third heaven, to Paradise.
So, when we read the Word of God, it tells us that God stretched out the heavens from the globe of waters on day 2, and that those stretched out heavens were made in “stories”, as it says in one of the prophets...I’ll check.
Here it is: Amos 9:6 It is he that buildeth his stories/ascensions in the heaven, and hath founded his troop/firmament in the earth;

But you can believe anything you want, and not believe in the supernatural creation, and you can miss all the wonderful delights of things in His Word revealed when you go seeking to find His truths. I choose to believe His Word, and to be delighted in His revelations of His power and Wisdom in His Word, and I reject any teachings of men who reject the Facts He laid out in His Word, in Genesis 1 -3, and after, about what He did, how long He took to do it, and then, with the chronological records, how long ago He did it.

That's because we don't need evidence. There are creationists who go on about proof and evidence-I am not normally one of them. I think that is completely the wrong way to look at it. It's easy to get drawn into that occasionally though. The fact remains that creation is a miracle, a supernatural event that can't be tested or proven, it has to be taken on faith and faith alone. My argument is that it is a part of the Bible, the author meant for it to be taken literally, Jesus and Paul both quote back to it a few times. So either the whole Bible is to be taken seriously and believed or none of it should be. How can you say Jesus rose from the dead but God couldn't create in 6 days. The Bible says both, so either the whole thing is a reliable text or it isn't.
I see creatures that evolutionists say is the ancestor to this or that, because that is what they take it to be. I can look at those same creatures and simply say God made a lot of different animals.
. I can say that my mother gave birth to me . I can say that my great grandmother is an ancestor. Since I don’t look like her the way to confirm that is to look at our DNA . I can do that with all other humans and reliably say that we’re related within 40 generations . I can look at that same DNA and add chimps to close human relatives, then other primates , other mammals , other vertebrates, other bilaterians , other eucaryotes , archaean bacteria, and the eubacteria . Every other life form on the planet is my relative and you feel sorry for me!!!! I feel sorry for you that you deny most of your true family.
 
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How is looking at a group of extinct animals and saying this is the ancestor of this, such as dinosaurs became birds, how is that not opinion?
Yes, the same atoms make up animals and humans, I agree. It also doesn't prove anything. God can't use the same atoms to make both? Similarities between animals is not proof of evolution, its proof there are similarities.
I also agree that Dawkins has a right to his opinion, but so do we.
The main issue with evolutionists is they can't see anybody else's point of view except their own and result to being rude ^. Also, this really isn't the place for debate on this.
 
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. I can say that my mother gave birth to me . I can say that my great grandmother is an ancestor. Since I don’t look like her the way to confirm that is to look at our DNA . I can do that with all other humans and reliably say that we’re related within 40 generations . I can look at that same DNA and add chimps to close human relatives, then other primates , other mammals , other vertebrates, other bilaterians , other eucaryotes , archaean bacteria, and the eubacteria . Every other life form on the planet is my relative and you feel sorry for me!!!! I feel sorry for you that you deny most of your true family.

You really don't understand creation. We do think all things are related because God used the same materials to make it all. God made kinds and those kinds contained a wealth of DNA. Adam and Eve were the human kind containing all the varieties that we see in people today, from eye colour to skin colour to various body shapes. All people are related. What we don't believe is that some animal changed into an ape like creature which changed into man. We believe each kind must stay its own kind. That apes are apes and that humans are human. There is great diversity within a kind, but a cat will never become a dog and a an ape will never become a human.
 
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How is looking at a group of extinct animals and saying this is the ancestor of this, such as dinosaurs became birds, how is that not opinion?
Yes, the same atoms make up animals and humans, I agree. It also doesn't prove anything. God can't use the same atoms to make both? Similarities between animals is not proof of evolution, its proof there are similarities.
I also agree that Dawkins has a right to his opinion, but so do we.
The main issue with evolutionists is they can't see anybody else's point of view except their own and result to being rude ^. Also, this really isn't the place for debate on this.
. Well if you look at a sauropod and say that’s not a bird ancestor . I’d agree with you ! But you can’t look at a theropod and say that . Especially since we know that we have a Dino-bird like archaeopteryx which is pretty much half bird and half dinosaur . There are a lot of these and we have the DNA and other evidence. Why would you pretend that these don’t exist ? You’re in Denial !


Creationists used to deny atomic theory back in the 1700s . You’ve been on the losing side for a while . I guess you think that it’s rude to point out that creationists have been wrong for centuries
 
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dear Brightmoon,
The Word of God states that God created a globe of primal waters, in darkness, and the firmament of His powers to suspend that globe in. In those primal waters He created every element which He would use to form every thing that He would bring forth from those waters.
Every element existed in those primal waters. Every created thing comes from those waters. -Get it?
Everything!
How He used those elements to form every thing that is, is His Amazing Wisdom!
Fools try to leave His Wisdom out of His Amazing Creation, and make up fairy tales and call them "science".
 
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I have never said things don't exist, you are looking at the wrong creationist.
As for archaeopteryx, yes I know you all like to call that a feathered dinosaur. I say it was a bird. It's easy to find a whole lot of arguments in various articles about archaeopteryx.
I can find scientific facts on things like that as well.

Chinese paleontologists have used numerical phylogenetic analysis, cladistics, that compares anatomical features of many individuals. The idea is that the more similar the fossils, the closer they are related by evolution. But the researchers also admit: “It should be noted that our phylogenetic hypothesis is only weakly supported by the available data.” They go on to add that other phylogenetic analyses have demonstrated just the opposite, that Archaeopteryx is a basal bird.

To me it doesn't matter if it is similar or not. Evolutionists claim that similarities prove evolution, no they only prove they are similar. God can make animals as similar as he likes.
 
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Au contraire!
The so called scientists of whom you speak are either very disinterested in truth, or are interested in hiding that which would prove the Word of God as truth.
There are other scientists who are much into Truth, The Word, and studying God’s creation from the basis of His Word, which is True from the beginning.
And FYI: The creation is supernatural. The Creator is supernatural, and the creation is upheld supernaturally by the Word of God, who created all things and in whom all things exist.
No one can reproduce the creation, so no one can study it, because we live in it, and we did not exist when God brought it into being.
He did, however tell us the order He created it in, and the time that He chose to do it in, and how long ago it was.
Where did you learn all this stuff about scientists?
 
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You both keep mentioning fossils as if that all the data we have . A bunch of bones which look like others is not how anatomists classify things . If that were true then dolphins would be in the same grouping as ichthyosaurs as one of your kinds . seals and manatees together would be together. Their anatomy alone tells us what they are and how they’re classified. Dolphins belong with whales ,ichthyosaurs are reptiles, seals are Carnivora , manatees are sirenians . Whale ancestors were obvious artiodactyls even though modern whales have lost some of their artiodactyl traits like 4 legs with hoofs. Then you add DNA confirmation. Most animals can be classified just on their anatomy alone as being related to other specific organisms . This is why humans are classified as a type of great ape or as a primate or as a euarchontaglires which is a grouping of primates and rodents and their close relatives.
 
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