Does 1 Cor 15:50-58 speak of the rapture or not?

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Yes; the 2 Witnesses are taken to heaven.
Then, to think this means a general 'rapture' follows, is an impossible stretch of the imagination and is nowhere to be found in the Bible.

On the REnewed earth.

Never is it said that the present earth will be destroyed before the GWT.
The Sixth Seal event will destroy out modern infrastructure and kill millions, also the Great Tribulation will cause some devastation and deaths.
For the final 3 1/2 years, I will be where the prophets say the Lord's faithful people will be; in the holy Land or; I hope, in the place of safety somewhere on earth.



2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe_3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
 
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Never is it said that the present earth will be destroyed before the GWT.
It indicates that the present earth and heaven are destroyed before the Great White Throne judgement in Revelation 20:11-13. There will be no place found for the current earth and its heaven of the sun and the planets.

The Great White Throne judgement is before God's Throne, in the realm of the third heaven.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

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Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The first heaven (of the sun and the planets) and the first earth were passed away in Revelation 20:11 above, before the Great White Throne judgment in the third heaven in Revelation 20:12 above.
 
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Putting on immortality means you become immortal. The scriptures show you are wrong.
The bible doesn't call anyone an immortal except Jesus who is God. Incorruptible is a better word than immortal because incorruptible implies no longer will decay. The reason being there will be no sin in the resurrected and raptured redeemed bodies.
 
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The bible doesn't call anyone an immortal except Jesus who is God.

It does actually as I have proven. There is no purpose in going in the same circle over and over.
 
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Scripture doesn't say that.
Could you please clarify what specific part(s) you disagree with?

"The Great White Throne judgement is before God's Throne, in the realm of the third heaven."
 
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Could you please clarify what specific part(s) you disagree with?

"The Great White Throne judgement is before God's Throne, in the realm of the third heaven."

I would say because heaven fled from the place where the GWTJ is held.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

So this is not in Heaven but elsewhere....the LOF is there so that's where the GWTJ happens.
 
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I would say because heaven fled from the place where the GWTJ is held.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

So this is not in Heaven but elsewhere....the LOF is there so that's where the GWTJ happens.
There are multiple heavens. (1) the earth's atmosphere and the solar system, (2) the cosmos, (3) the third heaven where God's throne is.

(2)the second heaven - the cosmos, the stars parted like a scroll, Revelation 6:13-14.

the second heaven - Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

(1) the first heaven - the earth's atmosphere and the solar system - Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

(3) the third heaven - 2Corinthians 2:12 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth ; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
 
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There are multiple heavens.

Again, heaven fleeing from the face of God would indicate the third heaven where God normally dwells. Also, as I mentioned, the GWTJ happens where the LOF is and we know that is not in heaven. It's a special place where God has the LOF, and brings the unsaved dead for judgment and punishment. That means it's not happening in Hades either.
 
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Again, heaven fleeing from the face of God would indicate the third heaven where God normally dwells.
That is not what it means at all. On Mt. Sinai, Moses saw God's back here on earth, but was not allowed to see His Face. It is this earth and the first heaven of the earth's atmosphere and the solar system that will flee away from God's Face, meaning it will be destroyed.

Jesus said in My father's house there are many mansions. Do think God is going to destroy those? Plus His Throne?

Also, as I mentioned, the GWTJ happens where the LOF is and we know that is not in heaven. It's a special place where God has the LOF, and brings the unsaved dead for judgment and punishment. That means it's not happening in Hades either.
"special place on the shore of the lake of fire?" really? I don't think so.

More likely a portal that will open in the third heaven at the Great White Throne Judgment to reveal the lake of fire - because a thousand years earlier, the false prophet and the beast will have been cast alive into the lake of fire, at a time when this present heaven and earth is still around. Revelation 19:20
 
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