Captivity and sword Luke 21:24 Revelation 13:10

Luke 21:24 and Revleation 13:10 showing 70ad destruction of Jerusalem?

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Let's get into some OT verses now, starting with this one:
Zechariah 14:2
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city
.

Luke 21:24
And they shall be falling to mouth of a sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Deuteronomy 28:68/Reve 11:2/13:10]

Now look at Revelation 13:10

Revelation 13:10
If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm
The Destruction of Jerusalem

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover................

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, .................Not less than two thousand laid violent hands upon themselves.
Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND.



 
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Zechariah 14:2
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city
.

Luke 21:24
And they shall be falling to mouth of a sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
Your Zechariah quote refers to the time when the Anti-Christ will break his treaty with New Israel and the half who refused to agree with that treaty will go into exile. [Not 'captivity' or as Interlinea Scripture Analyzer has it; deportation] They are the faithful people of God, taken to safety, as per Revelation 12:14.
This for the 42 months that the world will be under the control of the 'beast' Revelation 13:7
Luke 21-20-24, is fulfilled by the Roman conquest and the 'trampling by Gentiles' until 1967.
 
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Your Zechariah quote refers to the time when the Anti-Christ will break his treaty with New Israel and the half who refused to agree with that treaty will go into exile. [Not 'captivity' or as Interlinea Scripture Analyzer has it; deportation] They are the faithful people of God, taken to safety, as per Revelation 12:14.
This for the 42 months that the world will be under the control of the 'beast' Revelation 13:7
Luke 21-20-24, is fulfilled by the Roman conquest and the 'trampling by Gentiles' until 1967.
Concerning Zech 14:2 ...."half the city shall go into captivity......".
I suppose taken in captivity could also mean exiled?

Let's look at the hebrew word #1473 used in that verse:


1473 gowlah go-law' or (shortened) golah {go-law'}; active participle feminine of 1540; exile; concretely and collectively exiles:--(carried away), captive(-ity), removing.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H1473&t=NKJV

The KJV translates Strong's H1473 in the following manner: captivity (26x), carry away (7x), captive (5x), removing (2x), remove (1x), captivity (with H3627) (1x).

Jeremiah 29:1
Now these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem to the remainder of the elders who were carried away captive/exiled<H1473>—to the priests, the prophets, and all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried-away-captive<1540> from Jerusalem to Babylon.


Here is another hebrew word denoting "exile/captive"

1540
galah gaw-law'
a primitive root; to denude (especially in a disgraceful sense); by implication, to exile (captives being usually stripped); figuratively, to reveal:— advertise, appear, bewray, bring, (carry, lead, go) captive (into captivity), depart, disclose, discover, exile, be gone, open, × plainly, publish, remove, reveal, × shamelessly, shew, × surely, tell, uncover.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H1540&t=KJV
The KJV translates Strong's H1540 in the following manner: uncover (34x), discover (29x), captive (28x), carry away (22x), reveal (16x), open (12x), captivity (11x), shew (9x), remove (6x), appear (3x), miscellaneous (18x).
 
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Concerning Zech 14:2 ...."half the city shall go into captivity......".
I suppose taken in captivity could also mean exiled?
My REBible does say 'exile'.
But that verse fits with Daniel 11:32 and Revelation 12:6-17, where the Christians are divided into two groups; one that violates the Covenant and the other who keeps faithful to their God.
This happens at the mid point of the last 7 years before Jesus Returns, so its a while yet before we need to worry about it.
 
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My REBible does say 'exile'.
But that verse fits with Daniel 11:32 and Revelation 12:6-17, where the Christians are divided into two groups; one that violates the Covenant and the other who keeps faithful to their God.
This happens at the mid point of the last 7 years before Jesus Returns, so its a while yet before we need to worry about it.
I suppose since the Jews of today have already waited almost 2000yrs for their own Messiah to come, I am sure they won't mind waiting another 2000yrs.......
 
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I suppose since the Jews of today have already waited almost 2000yrs for their own Messiah to come, I am sure they won't mind waiting another 2000yrs.......
If you knew the Prophetic Word, you should know that the Jews have had their chance and only a remnant of Messianic Jews will join with their Christian brethren, soon after the Lord's Day of wrath. Jeremiah 50:4-5
Note in Jeremiah 50:6 that the Lord's people are like lost sheep..... It is every faithful Christian who are the 'sheep' and Jesus is the Shepherd. John 10:1-27
The Lord will gather us into the holy Land; Ezekiel 34:11-16, Micah 7:14, Psalms 23:1-4
 
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If you knew the Prophetic Word, you should know that the Jews have had their chance............

The Lord will gather us into the holy Land; Ezekiel 34:11-16, Micah 7:14, Psalms 23:1-4
What makes you think the secular state of Israel is holy today?
 
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What makes you think the secular state of Israel is holy today?
A typical example of jumping to a wrong conclusion.
In no way did I say the people are holy; it is the Land that is holy. It is the Land that God has His eye upon always. Deuteronomy 11:12
The time is soon coming when the Lord will clear and cleanse His Land, Deuteronomy 32:34-43 and only His holy People will live there. Psalms 669:32-36, Isaiah 65:9
 
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A typical example of jumping to a wrong conclusion.
In no way did I say the people are holy; it is the Land that is holy. It is the Land that God has His eye upon always. Deuteronomy 11:12
The time is soon coming when the Lord will clear and cleanse His Land, Deuteronomy 32:34-43 and only His holy People will live there. Psalms 669:32-36, Isaiah 65:9
Don't forget Ezek 39

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Ezekiel 39
11 “On that day I will give to Gog a place for burial in Israel, the Valley of the Travelers, east of the sea. It will block the travelers, for there Gog and all his multitude will be buried. It will be called the Valley of Hamon-gog.d
12 For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 All the people of the land will bury them, and it will bring them renown on the day that I show my glory, declares the Lord God. 14 They will set apart men to travel through the land regularly and bury those travelers remaining on the face of the land, so as to cleanse it. Ate the end of seven months they will make their search. 15 And when these travel through the land and anyone sees a human bone, then he shall set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the Valley of Hamon-gog. 16 (Hamonahf is also the name of the city.)
Thus shall they cleanse the land.
 
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What about Daniel 11 as well?

Daniel 11:
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days .
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

Luke 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Per Daniel 11:32 it is hard to determine what is meant by many days in that verse. But if we allow Luke 21:24 to help us interpret the meaning, according to Luke 21:24, the many days meant in Daniel 11:32 might be meaning Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
I just ran into that while working on Daniel's endtime prophecies...

Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

Daniel 11:33
And ones being intelligent<7919> of people they shall cause to understand to many-ones,
and they stumble<3782> in sword and in blaze<3852>, in captivity<7628> and in plunder<961> days

Ezekiel 39:23
“The Gentiles shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity; because they were unfaithful to Me, therefore I hid My face from them.
I gave them into the hand of their enemies, and they all fell by the sword.


Luke 21:24
And they shall be falling to mouth of sword
and shall be being led captive<163> into all the nations............

Amos 9:4
Though they go into captivity before their enemies,
From there I will command the sword, And it shall slay them.
I will set My eyes on them for harm and not for good.”

Revelation 13:10
If any to-captivity<161> into captivity<161> is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints.

Deuteronomy 32:42
I will make My arrows drunk with blood,
And My sword shall devour flesh,
With the blood of the slain and the captives,
From the heads of the leaders of the enemy.” '

Jeremiah 20:4
“For thus says the LORD: ‘Behold, I will make you a terror to yourself and to all your friends; and they shall fall by the sword of their enemies, and your eyes shall see it. I will give all Judah into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall carry them captive to Babylon and slay them with the sword.

Amos 4:10
“I sent among you a plague after the manner of Egypt;
Your young men I killed with a sword, Along with your captive horses;
I made the stench of your camps come up into your nostrils;
Yet you have not returned to Me,”
Says the LORD.

Amos 7:
11“For thus Amos has said:
‘Jeroboam shall die by the sword,
And Israel shall surely be led away captive
From their own land.' ”


17 “Therefore thus says the LORD:
‘Your wife shall be a harlot in the city;
Your sons and daughters shall fall by the sword;
Your land shall be divided by survey line;
You shall die in a defiled land;
And Israel shall surely be led away captive
From his own land.' ”
 
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Let's get into some OT verses now, starting with this one:
Zechariah 14:2
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city
.

Luke 21:24
And they shall be falling to mouth of a sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Deuteronomy 28:68/Reve 11:2/13:10]

Now look at Revelation 13:10

Revelation 13:10
If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm
The Destruction of Jerusalem

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover................

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, .................Not less than two thousand laid violent hands upon themselves.
Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND.





Since you brought up Zechariah 14:2, something to compare to that might be the following.

Isaiah 13:15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
 
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Since you brought up Zechariah 14:2, something to compare to that might be the following.

Isaiah 13:15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
Luke mentions the "daughters of Jerusalem" and their children

DO NOT WEEP!!!!! The Great City

Luke 23:27
Followed yet to Him a-vast multitude of the people, and of-women were. And grieved and wailed over Him.
28 Being-turned yet toward them, the Jesus said "Daughters of-Jerusalem no be-weeping<2799> over Me, moreover for yourselves be-weeping<2799>, and upon the children of ye. [Isaiah 4:4]

Revelation 18:9
and weep<2799> over Her, and smite/koyontai <2875> (5695) themselves for Her, shall the kings of the earth, who with Her did commit whoredom and did revel, when they may see the smoke of her burning,
 
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Just found an OT link to Luke and Revelation...Jeremiah 15:2

Luke 21:24
And they shall be falling to mouth of a sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Deuteronomy 28:68/Reve 11:2/13:10]

Revelation 13:10
If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints.

Jeremiah 15:2
“And it shall be, if they say to you, ‘Where should we go?' then you shall tell them, ‘Thus says the LORD:
“Such as are for death, to death;
And such as are for the sword, to the sword;
And such as are for the famine, to the famine;
And such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.” '
 
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Which choice did you vote for?

I must have forgotten to make the voters public......egads!!!
[I can't edit it in]

I voted:

I am not sure but am willing to learn
I changed my vote to "yes".........

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Luke 21:24 is perhaps one of the most revealing that is also unique to Revelation.

Let's break it down:

First, the phrase "mouth of a sword"

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

4750. stoma probably strengthened from a presumed derivative of the base of 5114;
the mouth (as if a gash in the face); by implication, language (and its relations); figuratively, an opening (in the earth); specially, the front or edge (of a weapon):--edge, face, mouth.

The word "mouth" is never used in Mark's Gospel and neither in Matt 24.
This phrase is unique to Luke 21 in the Gospels and Revelation, thus again showing Luke's 70ad Temple/Jerusalem discourse unique relation to the book of Revelation.

Luke 21

15 “for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist.
24 "And they shall be falling<4098> by mouth/edge<4750> of a sword<3162>, and they shall be being led captive<163> into all the Nations<1484>.
And Jerusalem shall be being trampled<3961> by nations<1484> until which may be being filled/plhrwqwsin <4137> Times<kairos<2540>of Nations/eqnwn <1484> [Ezekiel 30:1/Daniel 12/Revelation 11:2/ 13:10]
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A few OT verses:

Job 5:15
He saves the needy from the sword in their mouth; he saves them from the clutches of the powerful.
Psa 149:6
Let the high praises of God be in their mouth,
And a two-edged sword in their hand,
Isa 1:20
but if you resist and rebel, you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.
Isa 49:2
He made my mouth like a sharpened sword, in the shadow of his hand he hid me;
he made me into a polished arrow and concealed me in his quiver.
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Luke 21:24 "And they shall be falling<4098> by mouth<4750> of a sword<3162>, and they shall be being led captive<163> into all the Nations<1484>.

Rev 1:16

In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, two edged sword<4501>. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.
Rev 2:16
Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword<4501> of my mouth.
Rev 19:15
Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword<4501> with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[fn] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.
Rev 19:21
The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth<4501> of the rider on the horse,
and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
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Now for the word "sword".

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

Luke 21:24
"And they shall be falling<4098> by mouth<4750> of a sword<3162>,
and they shall be being led captive<163> into all the Nations<1484>.

3162. machaira probably feminine of a presumed derivative of 3163;
a knife, i.e. dirk; figuratively, war, judicial punishment:--sword.

This word is unique and used only in Luke of the 70ad Jerusalem/Temple discourse.

1st time used:

Mat 10:34
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the land.
I did not come to bring peace but a sword<3162> [Revelation 6:4]
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Used when James was killed:

Act 12:2
Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword<3162>.

Rom 13:4
For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword<3162> in vain;
for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
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3 times in Revelation

Rev 6:4
and there went forth another horse -- red, and to him who is sitting upon it, there was given to him to take the peace from the land,
and that one another they may slay, and there was given to him a great sword<3162> [Ezekiel 38:21 Luke 21:24].
Ezekiel 38:21 Then will I call against him every terror, declareth My Lord Yahweh.
The sword of every man against his brother shall be;
[Matthew 10:34 Revelation 6:4]

Rev 13:10
if any one a captivity doth gather, into captivity he doth go away; if any one by sword<3162> doth kill, it behoveth him by sword<3162> to be killed;
here is the endurance and the faith of the Saints. [Luke 21:24]

Rev 13:14
and it leadeth astray those dwelling on the land, because of the signs that were given it to do before the beast,
saying to those dwelling upon the land to make an image to the beast that hath the stroke of the sword<3162> and did live,
 
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LittleLambofJesus said:
The Lord did come like a thief in the night in 70AD
Notice that the return of Christ is after the "times of the Gentiles" comes to fullness. See also Romans 11:25 for a reference to the times of the Gentiles.
Luk 21:24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
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Hello BAB....Let's address 1 verse at at time................
Do you or do you not view Luke 21:24 and Revelation 13:10 as the same event?

Daniel 11:33
And ones being intelligent<7919> of people they shall cause to understand to many-ones,
and they stumble<3782> in sword and in blaze<3852>, in captivity<7628> and in plunder days<3117>
[Sword and captive/captivity are mentioned together in only 2 verses of the NT:]


Luke 21:24

And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Deuteronomy 28:68/Revelation 11:2 Revelation 13:10]

Revelation 13:10
If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.

Here is the endurance<5281> and the faith of the Saints
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Jeremiah 15:2
“And it shall be, if they say to you, ‘Where should we go?' then you shall tell them, ‘Thus says the LORD:
“Such as are for death, to death;
And such as are for the sword, to the sword;
And such as are for the famine, to the famine;
And such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.” '

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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted


The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover................

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, .................Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND.

........the tallest and most beautiful youths, together with several of the Jewish nobles were reserved by Titus to grace his triumphal entry into Rome. After this selection, all above the age of seventeen were sent in chains into Egypt, to be employed there as slaves, or distributed throughout the empire to be sacrificed as gladiators in the amphitheatres ; whilst those who were under this age, were exposed to sale.[Deuteronomy 28:68]
 
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Do you or do you not view Luke 21:24 and Revelation 13:10 as the same event?

No.

Rev 13:1 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.
Rev 13:2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.
Rev 13:4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"
Rev 13:5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.
Rev 13:6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.
Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
Rev 13:14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
Rev 13:15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Rev 13:16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
Rev 13:17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

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