The program anomaly, man's will...

SkyWriting · Oct 20, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
People are changing, I can tell by "my interactions with them", more confused, unhappy, "etc", (lets's just say "ect" OK?) anyhow, "more than ever", I think they're in trouble, and that's about as simple as I can say or make it right now...

I worry about that, etc, due to what I'm seeing and/or hearing by my interactions with them, how they have changed and what they are changing into, etc...

And I know it's not just the people I am interacting with, but everyone, society as a whole, etc...

Anyhow,

God Bless!

For purposes of brevity, we should stick to specific dialogue you have had with people.
While on your bike rides around the globe, I guess.
I have ridden my bike with my dog daily in past years.
I have been taken to court because I ride with my dog off-leash.
I have had conversations with homeless people who sleep in the park.
Who are you referring to?

A_Thinker · Oct 20, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
For believers in Christ only...?

What about the rest of the world who is very quickly abandoning any kind of faith in God or Jesus Christ, or faith in any kind of God in general, or whatsoever, or are willingly following false gods (other religions and spiritual beliefs, etc) and are more and more so abandoning faith in the true and real God, for false gods, etc...

What do you think will happen if we continue on this course...?

God Bless!

The world shall go the way of the world.

We, who are Christ's, have been rescued from such folly ...

SkyWriting · Oct 20, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
The program anomaly, man's will.The program anomaly, that if left unchecked that spells an escalating probability of disaster, that is systemic and threatens the entire system or this planet's and or mankind's continued existence, if left unchecked, is and always has been, man's own will, and our own supposedly free will of choice and choices...

Scripture does not prophesy the decline of morality.
It says many things about the end times, but not that.
So no.

renniks · Oct 20, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
The program anomaly, man's will.

The program anomaly, that if left unchecked that spells an escalating probability of disaster, that is systemic and threatens the entire system or this planet's and or mankind's continued existence, if left unchecked, is and always has been, man's own will, and our own supposedly free will of choice and choices...

I say "supposedly" because I both believe and hope that from a certain one's perspective or point of view it's actually not, otherwise we are and will be forever doomed by our own will and our own wills, and man and mankind's own will...

That is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision, or that is otherwise, could be, supposedly "perfect", etc... But, right now, that if left unchecked, etc...

So far the only solution has been to destroy or greatly devastate it, before we can destroy ourselves and our own planet and ruin all life on earths continued existence, and "reset" it all, and set it back quite a ways, sometimes a long, long ways back, and let it essentially start over again, etc... or let or allow it to happen "again" until it becomes a very serious issue and/or problem "again", then "reset it again", allow it to go and happen "again", etc, etc, etc, so on and so forth, and that is how it is and has been kept "in check" so far or thus far...

But it never ever gets to go beyond a certain point yet, because it can't yet or cannot be allowed to yet, cause the whole thing, including us, our planet, etc, would all be gone permanently or forever if it was allowed to (go past a certain point) right now, etc...

So, we are "reset" from time to time right now...

It's an imperfect solution to an imperfect (or perfect) "problem" right now...

So who created the anomaly in the program? Why does it exist? And why is it impossible, or why is it seemingly impossible to create or make it without it, etc...

We know it as the fundamental problem inherent to any program or creating or making any kind of system or program right now, etc... The anomaly just happens and keeps coming up and there seems to be no way to create or make a system, and/or a system or program without it or them happening and/or existing, etc... Right now, etc...

This is our God's problem right now and has been from the very beginning, the anomaly, man's (own) will, etc...

Did "someone" or "another God", or perhaps a "higher God" create the anomaly? If so then "why"? Should we appeal to that One?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Obviously, God decided to allow free will, so it's not an anomaly. It's both the thing that makes life worthwhile and the thing that can drive us to frustration with ourselves and others, but what would life be without it? Boring, I think.

AvisG · Oct 20, 2019

I have a friend who has been one of the mega-stars of the UFO field for decades. He's very anti-Christian - won't even listen. His quasi-theology is that we actually live in a virtual reality, a cosmic software program, that has been corrupted by a virus. I won't go into all the details, but I always tweak him by pointing out that his quasi-theology is almost the mirror image of Christianity and there is nothing inherently un-Christian about the notion that our reality is a virtual reality! The notion that our reality actually is essentially a cosmic software program is by no means laughed at within physics. For that matter, to God how could our reality be anything other than a "virtual" reality?

The obvious "flaw" in the "program" - i.e., the mysterious propensity of humans to act in evil and counterproductive ways - is one of the great truths of Christianity even if someone doesn't accept the Christian explanation. But I don't see any "reset" happening this side of the Second Coming. I see an accelerating exacerbation of what human nature has always been, to a degree that is unmistakable and difficult to explain except in supernatural terms.

SkyWriting · Oct 20, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
People are changing, I can tell by "my interactions with them", more confused, unhappy, "etc", (lets's just say "ect" OK?) anyhow, "more than ever", I think they're in trouble, and that's about as simple as I can say or make it right now...

I worry about that, etc, due to what I'm seeing and/or hearing by my interactions with them, how they have changed and what they are changing into, etc...

And I know it's not just the people I am interacting with, but everyone, society as a whole, etc...

Anyhow,

God Bless!

I trying to be clear I think your assertion is groundless.
But I am giving opportunity in every post I make to
encourage you to back your claims.

But I can't force you to do so. All I can do is keep asking
till the cows come home.

Maria Billingsley · Oct 20, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
The program anomaly, man's will.

The program anomaly, that if left unchecked that spells an escalating probability of disaster, that is systemic and threatens the entire system or this planet's and or mankind's continued existence, if left unchecked, is and always has been, man's own will, and our own supposedly free will of choice and choices...

I say "supposedly" because I both believe and hope that from a certain one's perspective or point of view it's actually not, otherwise we are and will be forever doomed by our own will and our own wills, and man and mankind's own will...

That is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision, or that is otherwise, could be, supposedly "perfect", etc... But, right now, that if left unchecked, etc...

So far the only solution has been to destroy or greatly devastate it, before we can destroy ourselves and our own planet and ruin all life on earths continued existence, and "reset" it all, and set it back quite a ways, sometimes a long, long ways back, and let it essentially start over again, etc... or let or allow it to happen "again" until it becomes a very serious issue and/or problem "again", then "reset it again", allow it to go and happen "again", etc, etc, etc, so on and so forth, and that is how it is and has been kept "in check" so far or thus far...

But it never ever gets to go beyond a certain point yet, because it can't yet or cannot be allowed to yet, cause the whole thing, including us, our planet, etc, would all be gone permanently or forever if it was allowed to (go past a certain point) right now, etc...

So, we are "reset" from time to time right now...

It's an imperfect solution to an imperfect (or perfect) "problem" right now...

So who created the anomaly in the program? Why does it exist? And why is it impossible, or why is it seemingly impossible to create or make it without it, etc...

We know it as the fundamental problem inherent to any program or creating or making any kind of system or program right now, etc... The anomaly just happens and keeps coming up and there seems to be no way to create or make a system, and/or a system or program without it or them happening and/or existing, etc... Right now, etc...

This is our God's problem right now and has been from the very beginning, the anomaly, man's (own) will, etc...

Did "someone" or "another God", or perhaps a "higher God" create the anomaly? If so then "why"? Should we appeal to that One?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Jesus Christ of Nazareth did the final "reset". We are now on the path towards His second appearance which is on the Lord's Day aka the Day of Judgment.
Blessings

danielmears · Oct 20, 2019

The system is already perfect, a righteous system where it is done unto you as you believe. Faith or fear is the question. Christ came to show us how to overcome our will, to be unified, one with God as prayed in John 17:21. You are right in saying our will is the problem but there is an answer. Overcoming is possible! With God all things are possible!

His student · Oct 20, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
.....how is sin or man's will still not a threat to the system...? And are we in a process of someone (like God) maybe "developing" (His) software through us maybe...? If so, what would you think would be the "end result"...? Certainly could explain a lot of "this" maybe...? And then, do we still have to worry about sin or man's will still being a problem...? Or not...?

We need not think that the virus we are all experiencing was a surprise to the creator of the universe. The scriptures are clear that it was not.

We don't have to worry about sin, and the free will of angels or man's will still being a problem when this particular program has finished running - is deleted - and a new program is inserted in the computer that is God's creation.

The software that is to finally correct and delete the virus that is our sin was inserted by God a couple of thousand years ago and is now running. Give it a little more time to do it's work and we can all have a virus free experience for the rest of eternity.

"For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the first fruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."

HopeInJesusOnly · Oct 20, 2019

SkyWriting said:
Scripture does not prophesy the decline of morality.
It says many things about the end times, but not that.
So no.

Of course it does. It's right there in Revelations. I believe you even quoted the text.

Cement · Oct 20, 2019

One of my favorite scenes of all time is in the ending of the Matrix where Neo calls the Machines and tells them that he will set humanity free.

Don Maurer · Oct 20, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
The program anomaly, man's will.

The program anomaly, that if left unchecked that spells an escalating probability of disaster, that is systemic and threatens the entire system or this planet's and or mankind's continued existence, if left unchecked, is and always has been, man's own will, and our own supposedly free will of choice and choices...

I say "supposedly" because I both believe and hope that from a certain one's perspective or point of view it's actually not, otherwise we are and will be forever doomed by our own will and our own wills, and man and mankind's own will...

That is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision, or that is otherwise, could be, supposedly "perfect", etc... But, right now, that if left unchecked, etc...

So far the only solution has been to destroy or greatly devastate it, before we can destroy ourselves and our own planet and ruin all life on earths continued existence, and "reset" it all, and set it back quite a ways, sometimes a long, long ways back, and let it essentially start over again, etc... or let or allow it to happen "again" until it becomes a very serious issue and/or problem "again", then "reset it again", allow it to go and happen "again", etc, etc, etc, so on and so forth, and that is how it is and has been kept "in check" so far or thus far...

But it never ever gets to go beyond a certain point yet, because it can't yet or cannot be allowed to yet, cause the whole thing, including us, our planet, etc, would all be gone permanently or forever if it was allowed to (go past a certain point) right now, etc...

So, we are "reset" from time to time right now...

It's an imperfect solution to an imperfect (or perfect) "problem" right now...

So who created the anomaly in the program? Why does it exist? And why is it impossible, or why is it seemingly impossible to create or make it without it, etc...

We know it as the fundamental problem inherent to any program or creating or making any kind of system or program right now, etc... The anomaly just happens and keeps coming up and there seems to be no way to create or make a system, and/or a system or program without it or them happening and/or existing, etc... Right now, etc...

This is our God's problem right now and has been from the very beginning, the anomaly, man's (own) will, etc...

Did "someone" or "another God", or perhaps a "higher God" create the anomaly? If so then "why"? Should we appeal to that One?

Comments...?

God Bless!

The matrix series was all very interesting and fascinating and I enjoyed it very much. If I had to pick a favorite movie series, I might possible pick the Matrix. If it is not my favorite, it is up close to the top. What I am about to say, should not be taken in the sense that I do not like the Matrix series.

This is not to say I agree with the world view of the the Wachowski's (I believe they wrote and directed the matrix). Their world view is non-Christian.

First notice the Eastern or nearly Buddist concepts.
--- There is balance the architect is balanced by the Oracle. (Close to Ying Yang balance of good and evil). *There is good and evil in Christianity, but all is under Gods control and leads to God's final glory in the end when God judges evil and rewards good.
--- There is a cyclical view of human history. There were 6 anomalies before Neo, all 6 choose the door on the right which resets the Matrix (Matrix rebooted). Neo of course chooses the door on the left. * In Christianity, the history of mankind is linear. It begins with Adam and ends in Revelation at the judgement throne of God.
--- In the Matrix, God is not sovereign, but his sovereignty is shared by human choice. It is the one thing that cannot be controlled by the Architect (God), in making a perfect system (universe). In Christianity mans choice is not sovereign. If mans choice were sovereign, Jonah would have made it to Tarshish, and not Nineveh. If mans choice was in any way sovereign, how would prophecy occur? I recognize there are certain forms of so called Christianity that would agree with the Matrix would view on this point (IE "Open Theism").

CONCULSION
Mans ability to choose is not the anomaly, but it is a part of the equation. When God programed the first atoms and molecules to go into motion, he already knew when each atom and molecule would come into collision, and what the response would be. Man is not the anomaly, nor is the free will the anomaly. From Gods perspective, the chose of man is totally predictable and the outcome guaranteed. God already knows the psyche of man and the choices each and every man will make. The math of our system is totally balanced and perfect. There is nothing out of order. There is good, and there is evil, and in the end, both Good and Evil will bow before the glorious God. The final judgement of the book of Revelation is not a system crash, it is fully and absolutely intended already. The 2nd coming is going to happen exactly as planned from eternity past.

I love the Matrix, but as theology, it is closer in concept to Buddism that to Christianity. This is not to mean that I do not recognize that there are concept also borrowed from Christianity. The Scene were on of the guardians blows away Neo, but he come back to live as some sort of superman, seems almost like a resurrection. Neo is truly a Messianic figure, but he ain't Christ.

Sola Deo Gloria

devin553344 · Oct 20, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
The program anomaly, man's will.

The program anomaly, that if left unchecked that spells an escalating probability of disaster, that is systemic and threatens the entire system or this planet's and or mankind's continued existence, if left unchecked, is and always has been, man's own will, and our own supposedly free will of choice and choices...

I say "supposedly" because I both believe and hope that from a certain one's perspective or point of view it's actually not, otherwise we are and will be forever doomed by our own will and our own wills, and man and mankind's own will...

That is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision, or that is otherwise, could be, supposedly "perfect", etc... But, right now, that if left unchecked, etc...

So far the only solution has been to destroy or greatly devastate it, before we can destroy ourselves and our own planet and ruin all life on earths continued existence, and "reset" it all, and set it back quite a ways, sometimes a long, long ways back, and let it essentially start over again, etc... or let or allow it to happen "again" until it becomes a very serious issue and/or problem "again", then "reset it again", allow it to go and happen "again", etc, etc, etc, so on and so forth, and that is how it is and has been kept "in check" so far or thus far...

But it never ever gets to go beyond a certain point yet, because it can't yet or cannot be allowed to yet, cause the whole thing, including us, our planet, etc, would all be gone permanently or forever if it was allowed to (go past a certain point) right now, etc...

So, we are "reset" from time to time right now...

It's an imperfect solution to an imperfect (or perfect) "problem" right now...

So who created the anomaly in the program? Why does it exist? And why is it impossible, or why is it seemingly impossible to create or make it without it, etc...

We know it as the fundamental problem inherent to any program or creating or making any kind of system or program right now, etc... The anomaly just happens and keeps coming up and there seems to be no way to create or make a system, and/or a system or program without it or them happening and/or existing, etc... Right now, etc...

This is our God's problem right now and has been from the very beginning, the anomaly, man's (own) will, etc...

Did "someone" or "another God", or perhaps a "higher God" create the anomaly? If so then "why"? Should we appeal to that One?

Comments...?

God Bless!

The bible spells out that man's will has been affected by the fall in the garden of Eden. After obtaining the knowledge of good and evil. Nothing is spelled out in the bible that indicates a reset will happen.

But now given the knowledge of good and evil, we must learn Gods will for us, which is spelled out in the bible and especially in the NT. Matthew 25:35-40

SkyWriting · Oct 20, 2019

HopeInJesusOnly said:
Of course it does. It's right there in Revelations. I believe you even quoted the text.

Well then you can take my word for it, or you can take my word for it, I guess.

Anguspure · Oct 20, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
No, we are all about to be reset (again) (all of us)...

This is the reset code and it must be entered freely:
Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again. a ”

“How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” John 3

HopeInJesusOnly · Oct 20, 2019

SkyWriting said:
Me too. I don't identify with any specific christian denomination.
But I read 1000 times more scripture now compared to attending church days.
Many (very very large churches) are finding the leadership has been hiding sex crimes for decades. I expect about 30% of those people to leave the Christian faith of their childhood and family. It's a very old problem surfacing now.

But if you are a follower of Christ, you are, by default A CHRISTIAN, regardless of denomination, i.e., you believe in Jesus Christ. You would tick (check) "yes" to this category regardless of church membership. You would self-identify as "Christian."

You seem to be missing the point.

If one identifies as "none," they are self-described atheists. Why are you complicating the matter?

Neogaia777 · Oct 21, 2019

The fundamental flaw in the program is man's own will (apart from God's, etc)...

Has been true from the beginning...

Had to exist or be included "for some reason"...

It has always been a problem from the very beginning...

How many times do we hear of God trying to get us to choose His will over our own, can you even count them?

Is it still a problem though, or did He or They (God and Christ) (or God with Christ) (and maybe the Holy Spirit) find a way "around it"...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Oct 21, 2019

@SkyWriting Look, just use your eyes and ears, OK, and you will "see", other than that I'm pretty much done discussing the matter, as it's not really important to the OP, K...?

Just some side track we got on that I'm pretty much done with now, K...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Oct 21, 2019

Don Maurer said:
The matrix series was all very interesting and fascinating and I enjoyed it very much. If I had to pick a favorite movie series, I might possible pick the Matrix. If it is not my favorite, it is up close to the top. What I am about to say, should not be taken in the sense that I do not like the Matrix series.

This is not to say I agree with the world view of the the Wachowski's (I believe they wrote and directed the matrix). Their world view is non-Christian.

First notice the Eastern or nearly Buddist concepts.
--- There is balance the architect is balanced by the Oracle. (Close to Ying Yang balance of good and evil). *There is good and evil in Christianity, but all is under Gods control and leads to God's final glory in the end when God judges evil and rewards good.
--- There is a cyclical view of human history. There were 6 anomalies before Neo, all 6 choose the door on the right which resets the Matrix (Matrix rebooted). Neo of course chooses the door on the left. * In Christianity, the history of mankind is linear. It begins with Adam and ends in Revelation at the judgement throne of God.
--- In the Matrix, God is not sovereign, but his sovereignty is shared by human choice. It is the one thing that cannot be controlled by the Architect (God), in making a perfect system (universe). In Christianity mans choice is not sovereign. If mans choice were sovereign, Jonah would have made it to Tarshish, and not Nineveh. If mans choice was in any way sovereign, how would prophecy occur? I recognize there are certain forms of so called Christianity that would agree with the Matrix would view on this point (IE "Open Theism").

CONCULSION
Mans ability to choose is not the anomaly, but it is a part of the equation. When God programed the first atoms and molecules to go into motion, he already knew when each atom and molecule would come into collision, and what the response would be. Man is not the anomaly, nor is the free will the anomaly. From Gods perspective, the chose of man is totally predictable and the outcome guaranteed. God already knows the psyche of man and the choices each and every man will make. The math of our system is totally balanced and perfect. There is nothing out of order. There is good, and there is evil, and in the end, both Good and Evil will bow before the glorious God. The final judgement of the book of Revelation is not a system crash, it is fully and absolutely intended already. The 2nd coming is going to happen exactly as planned from eternity past.

I love the Matrix, but as theology, it is closer in concept to Buddism that to Christianity. This is not to mean that I do not recognize that there are concept also borrowed from Christianity. The Scene were on of the guardians blows away Neo, but he come back to live as some sort of superman, seems almost like a resurrection. Neo is truly a Messianic figure, but he ain't Christ.

Sola Deo Gloria

And @EVERYONE,

Man's will is part of the equation to which God...?

God in and of the OT...?

Cause that's not what we see with Him or that One...?

God Bless!

SkyWriting · Oct 21, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
@SkyWriting Look, just use your eyes and ears, OK, and you will "see", other than that I'm pretty much done discussing the matter, as it's not really important to the OP, K...?

Just some side track we got on that I'm pretty much done with now, K...

God Bless!

Specifically what is it you have seen and where are you seeing it?
If you can't substantiate a conclusion then it is not valid.
I have a non ending list of specific examples that are counter to your conclusion.
But if you have any data or even random local examples to support your claim
you are encouraged to provide them.

I thought when you asked for "Thoughts?" you were asking for more than
"Right on brother!" responses. But it seems that all you want to hear.
Over all, world conditions are improving at an exponential rate.
But if your neighborhood is going downhill fast, that is a valid local complaint
about where you live.

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