Was the holocaust due in part to the Jewish people rejecting Jesus?

a lot of people have rejected Jesus and bad stuff happens to everyone. it's the fallen world we live in.

doesn't stand to reason that this community of jewish converts is one of the most wealthy and affluent group of people on the planet while continuing to reject the messiah.

JackRT said:

Once he was in power Hitler went right for the communists and trade unionists. Hey! That sounds a lot like some Republicans.

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At the behest of the bankers. ... Oh... guess nothing changes

THE W said:

jewish converts is one of the most wealthy and affluent group of people on the planet while continuing to reject the messiah.

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Thats the whole point. They reject the Kingdom of God for one of their own making. Its a human thing.

NothingIsImpossible said:

I am still sad to see so many christians of any denomination/view that refuse to support Jews or Israel. Though thats another subject.

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what exactly are we supporting?

I believe God still punishes people and nations. This didn't change after Christ and I don't think it's changed in the more recent past either, though you have to be careful in such proclamations.

We can see in the working out of history how certain actions impacted later generations. God allowed the destruction of the Byzantium Empire but also allowed the Spanish to reconquer their land and settle south America. God allowed six million Jews to die alongside of six million poles, twenty six million Russians, seven million Germans and more.

The Jews shouldn't think themselves above the punishment of God and neither should we. This also extends to not only Jews but everyone. If God did punish the Jews he has not only punished them but many entities.

NothingIsImpossible said:

I'm sure this topic may stir up some but I am simply looking for opinions.

I've seen people before say because Jews had rejected Jesus, it is why bad things seem to happen to them. Thus some people say the holocaust would happen no matter what. What do you think?

I personally don't think it would be fair to say that since God would not punish them for such a thing. They are lost, but still his children. Then again I may be wrong. I do remember hearing that anti-semitism existed before Hitler ever existed. Many Catholic Europeans before Hitler had held Jews responsible for Jesus death. Again, this is what I read. Not saying this part is true or not.

I am still sad to see so many christians of any denomination/view that refuse to support Jews or Israel. Though thats another subject.

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Christians of Jewish descent were rounded up and killed too. Because of their Jewish descent.

NothingIsImpossible said:

Well they are still Gods chosen people.

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Yes they are, but so are we as Christians. Are you saying we should be doing something to show our support? Wearing shirts? Waving a banner?

There are people around of every persuasion who believe the holocaust on the Jews, the genocide on native Americans and the moon landing were all hoaxes. Being Christian has nothing to do with it. I could just as easily say all blond girls are dumb because I know someone who is. Meaning its a generalization and not true.

David Neos said:

I thought the Holocaust wasn't only about Jews but other people.

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Certainly, but Hitler didn't write entire letters (like this one) to friends about "other people," as early as 1919:

Adolf Hitler's First Anti-Semitic Writing

"The deduction from all this is the following: an antisemitism based on purely emotional grounds will find its ultimate expression in the form of the pogrom*. An antisemitism based on reason, however, must lead to systematic legal combating and elimination of the privileges of the Jews, that which distinguishes the Jews from the other aliens who live among us (an Aliens Law). The ultimate objective [of such legislation] must, however, be the irrevocable removal of the Jews in general." -- Adolf Hitler -- The Gemlich Letter

* Pogrom in Russian means devastation. Until recently, the term described exclusively the organized or spontaneous massacres of Jews.

Is there an expiration date on how long a holocaust can be milked?

timothyu said:

Is there an expiration date on how long a holocaust can be milked?

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Apart from what could only be called Hitlers satanic obsession that wanted to wipe out the entire race of Gods chosen people, the Jews( yes we as Christians are too, having been grafted in)
The importance of remembering the Holocaust is also to remember the depths of evil a man without God can sink to.
The church was also exposed as to whether those who said they were Christians really were. The fruits were very apparent.

NothingIsImpossible said:

I'm sure this topic may stir up some but I am simply looking for opinions.

I've seen people before say because Jews had rejected Jesus, it is why bad things seem to happen to them. Thus some people say the holocaust would happen no matter what. What do you think?

I personally don't think it would be fair to say that since God would not punish them for such a thing. They are lost, but still his children. Then again I may be wrong. I do remember hearing that anti-semitism existed before Hitler ever existed. Many Catholic Europeans before Hitler had held Jews responsible for Jesus death. Again, this is what I read. Not saying this part is true or not.

I am still sad to see so many christians of any denomination/view that refuse to support Jews or Israel. Though thats another subject.

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The destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem in 70 AD was due to this. The Holocaust was due to the same effect that causes persecution of the Jews throughout history, basically envy because they know how to live successfully under depressed circumstances whereas the dominant population fail to live according to the precepts of God and fail.

NothingIsImpossible said:

Well they are still Gods chosen people.

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they are God's chosen people... when they choose God. OT history is pretty clear on that.

the entire NT deconstructs this idea that God's chosen people only fits into a specific racial tribe, then all of a sudden we read Revelations and we interpret it as only the Jews. Why are we so one dimensional in Revelation?

plus how exactly are we to support a reprobate historical chosen people of God? What does "I support Isreal" even mean? If they have not accepted Christ they are our mission, not our charity.

NothingIsImpossible said:

I'm sure this topic may stir up some but I am simply looking for opinions.

I've seen people before say because Jews had rejected Jesus, it is why bad things seem to happen to them. Thus some people say the holocaust would happen no matter what. What do you think?

I personally don't think it would be fair to say that since God would not punish them for such a thing. They are lost, but still his children. Then again I may be wrong. I do remember hearing that anti-semitism existed before Hitler ever existed. Many Catholic Europeans before Hitler had held Jews responsible for Jesus death. Again, this is what I read. Not saying this part is true or not.

I am still sad to see so many christians of any denomination/view that refuse to support Jews or Israel. Though thats another subject.

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“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36 (KJV 1900)

NothingIsImpossible said:

I'm sure this topic may stir up some but I am simply looking for opinions.

I've seen people before say because Jews had rejected Jesus, it is why bad things seem to happen to them. Thus some people say the holocaust would happen no matter what. What do you think?

I personally don't think it would be fair to say that since God would not punish them for such a thing. They are lost, but still his children. Then again I may be wrong. I do remember hearing that anti-semitism existed before Hitler ever existed. Many Catholic Europeans before Hitler had held Jews responsible for Jesus death. Again, this is what I read. Not saying this part is true or not.

I am still sad to see so many christians of any denomination/view that refuse to support Jews or Israel. Though thats another subject.

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That the Jews rejected Jesus is stated numbers of times in the Bible. They were continuing a long tradition of rejecting God and His messengers. God made a covenant with Israel that they broke repeatedly. The curses therefore came upon them. However, God promised to restore the nation, which He has done.
If you look into the Jewish religion, you will find it a far cry from OT practices and beliefs. There is a great deal of the occult in the modern Jewish religion. At the extremes, it is as violent and discriminatory as Islam. If a Jew becomes a Christian, it is considered a disgrace and often the convert will be disowned by the family.
I personally support Israel, not because they are pro-God, but because they are still His covenant people through the patriarchs. One day, Israel will repent and turn to God. At last.

Aussie Pete said:

However, God promised to restore the nation, which He has done.

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This is not true. God removed the unbelievers from Israel and only if any accept Christ, will they be reattached. The State of Israel is not Biblical Israel. And never did Israel return to the land apart from repentance.

Dave L said:

This is not true. God removed the unbelievers from Israel and only if any accept Christ, will they be reattached. The State of Israel is not Biblical Israel. And never did Israel return to the land apart from repentance.

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Your opinion. I know there are several schools of thought. I happen to subscribe to the one I've stated.

Aussie Pete said:

Your opinion. I know there are several schools of thought. I happen to subscribe to the one I've stated.

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You need to prove it from scripture. You cannot have genuine faith which comes from hearing the word unless you can.

Dave L said:

You need to prove it from scripture. You cannot have genuine faith which comes from hearing the word unless you can.

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The creation of the state of Israel is in accordance with God's word. They were scattered according to God's word and some have come back, as prophesied. I wonder if any Jews repented after 6 million were slaughtered by the Nazis under Hitler? Did any of the survivors cry out to God as Israel did in Egypt? It is a miracle that Israel survived the first onslaught, the day that they declared independence. It's a miracle that they still survive, in spite of being surrounded by nations that would cheerfully exterminate every Jew. If you are interested and open minded, a gentleman named Derek Prince was living and ministering in Israel when independence was declared. He had troops billeted in his home and got constant updates. He and his team were praying constantly, as you would expect. Check out his report on the events during that period of time. It makes for fascinating reading.