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Has anyone here been watching the brexit news lately? Britain is supposed to leave the EU by Oct 31, deal or no deal, after multiple extensions past the original deadline. But there has been high drama building because Boris Johnson the PM has been trying to work out a deal with the EU, which is actually more of a treaty, than leave deal, that would trap Britain under the EU governement, with no say to the rules.

This Saturday, House of Commons parliament is supposed to debate the deal. If it is rejected (likely imo), then Boris is in theory supposed to ask for yet another extension according to some act the re-mainer members of parliament connected.

Boris has committed himself to leaving by Oct 31 no matter what So it is hard to say what is going to happen.

Somewhere along the line the EU is going reorganize to have the ten leader form of government over which will be the little horn. Personally, I think it is heading that direction right now.
 

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The little horn person is supposed to remove three kings. It doesn't say whether the three kings are part of the ten kings or not.

Maybe the three kings nations is referring to Scotland, Ireland, England making up Britain - if they are kicked out of the EU, or some forthcoming treaty.
 
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The little horn person is supposed to remove three kings. It doesn't say whether the three kings are part of the ten kings or not.

Maybe the three kings nations is referring to Scotland, Ireland, England making up Britain - if they are kicked out of the EU, or some forthcoming treaty.
They are not being kicked out of the EU, they decided to leave in a public vote.

The only thing the EU wants now is that the UK decides what it wants. Its like a girl in a bar that says "I will leave at 10 pm" and stays till midnight.
 
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Has anyone here been watching the brexit news lately? Britain is supposed to leave the EU by Oct 31, deal or no deal, after multiple extensions past the original deadline. But there has been high drama building because Boris Johnson the PM has been trying to work out a deal with the EU, which is actually more of a treaty, than leave deal, that would trap Britain under the EU governement, with no say to the rules.

This Saturday, House of Commons parliament is supposed to debate the deal. If it is rejected (likely imo), then Boris is in theory supposed to ask for yet another extension according to some act the re-mainer members of parliament connected.

Boris has committed himself to leaving by Oct 31 no matter what So it is hard to say what is going to happen.

Somewhere along the line the EU is going reorganize to have the ten leader form of government over which will be the little horn. Personally, I think it is heading that direction right now.
Doug, sometimes 10 in the bible/in prophecy, means the fullness thereof. It doesn't always mean 10 exactly. It could therefore be 25 and a few countries left, maybe even 1/3 of the nations eventually left and it would still be shown as 10 because that represents fullness.

I think the 10 represents the E.U. Beast in its fullness, and as Daniel says even through marriage they could not reunite, thus they were Iron and Clay. God via the Church gave a Mortal Wound to the E.U. {Fourth Beast}. They tried to reunite but to no avail, both in marriage and via wars. Israel is reborn, setting the stage, the E.U. forms again but kinda as a toothless tiger, until after the Rapture there will be no Major Army, after the Rapture things will change, but that means they have to start forming an Army now. Enter Trump, he wants them to be pay more for NATO, so if they must needs protect themselves at a vast expense, they are going to want the Army to be theirs. The number of nations/Kings doesn't have to be 10 per se.

P.S. this is not a deal that those who wish to Exit want. They say it leaves them attached. This is another bogus deal.
 
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The European Union, in fact all the modern nations today, have no relevance to what the Bible tells us will happen in the end times.
Trying to fit our present situation into the prophesied 10 region World Government, is wrong and takes no notice of what the prophets all say will happen.

The critical area in God's sight, is all of the holy Land. Soon; He will clear and cleanse it. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
 
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The European Union, in fact all the modern nations today, have no relevance to what the Bible tells us will happen in the end times.
Trying to fit our present situation into the prophesied 10 region World Government, is wrong and takes no notice of what the prophets all say will happen.

The critical area in God's sight, is all of the holy Land. Soon; He will clear and cleanse it. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
Of course it does, the end times happen in the end times, not 2000 years ago !!

The Fourth Beast was Rome, the E.U. is the Fourth Beast HEALED.

That's why the Little Horn arises from the head of the Fourth Beast.
 
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They are not being kicked out of the EU, they decided to leave in a public vote.

The only thing the EU wants now is that the UK decides what it wants. Its like a girl in a bar that says "I will leave at 10 pm" and stays till midnight.
I am thinking at some point down the road, if a treaty is made between Britain and the EU... under the guise of a "deal". I think the EU is actually calling it a treaty, while the news media is calling it a deal.
 
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Of course it does, the end times happen in the end times, not 2000 years ago !!

The Fourth Beast was Rome, the E.U. is the Fourth Beast HEALED.

That's why the Little Horn arises from the head of the Fourth Beast.
So; you don't think the holy Land needs cleansing now?

Daniel 7:23-25 refutes the outdated theory of the European Union being the end times 'beast'. It simply isn't worldwide.
 
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So; you don't think the holy Land needs cleansing now?

Daniel 7:23-25 refutes the outdated theory of the European Union being the end times 'beast'. It simply isn't worldwide.
I have read many blogs on this, studied the words used, compared different verses and the mistake you guy s always make is you are willing to take the interpretation that best fits your agenda and run with it. This is a classic example of that.

The words used which you claim means the Fourth Beasts via the Little Horn must rule over ALL THE EARTH also says the same thing about the 3rd Beast in Daniel 2, and even about the 1st Beast.

Dan. 2:37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Now its quite clear that Babylon didn't rule over China etc. land wheresoever men dwelt and that the 3rd Beast/Kingdom did not rule over all the earth. So you want to mandate one reference has to mean such and such, without acknowledging that other places that say the same thing did not mean the WHOLE EARTH !! And in my studies many learned writers show how these references actually are speaking about the WHOLE EARTH/Land being spoken about. And the Beast comes out of what sir my friend ? The Mediterranean Sea, so WHAT EARTH/Land is being spoken of ? The Mediterranean Sea Region land/earth.

There are many other places that show the WHOLE EARTH being spoken of when only the region is being spoken of. The problem is when people get something in their mind, they have to change all of their ideas/thoughts/eschatology and they don't want to do that. PLEASE....If I need to change to know the truth, show me God, that is my cry, I love being shown God's truths more than I love being right. So nothing is refuted sir, not understanding what was being spoken of, led you down a rabbit hole brother.

The Jews will repent AFTER the Rapture, just like the Bible says, whilst the E.U. Beast tries to get at them, they thus flee unto Petra where God protects them.
 
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There were/are ten nations that made up the alliance. Then they opened it up for more nations to join them.

The ten nations are the only ones that have full voting rights. They are the power core nations.
The ten horns of Revelation.
They are the ones represented by the ten toes in Nebuchadnezzar's dream.

In Revelation the horns of the beast undergo a distribution change but there are still ten.
Ten horns for each head. Three heads are subdued, those 3 horns transferred to one of the heads. Resulting in "seven heads, ten horns"

The united kingdom "brexit" looks like a fulfillment of the Biblical prophecy.. making the process interesting to watch.
If this following interpretation is correct..
They will leave the EU. Having no power within the EU any longer. (the "no deal" in effect) Their horn is removed and added to one of the core nations.
 
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There were/are ten nations that made up the alliance. Then they opened it up for more nations to join them.

The ten nations are the only ones that have full voting rights. They are the power core nations.
The ten horns of Revelation.
They are the ones represented by the ten toes in Nebuchadnezzar's dream.

In Revelation the horns of the beast undergo a distribution change but there are still ten.
Ten horns for each head. Three heads are subdued, those 3 horns transferred to one of the heads. Resulting in "seven heads, ten horns"

The united kingdom "brexit" looks like a fulfillment of the Biblical prophecy.. making the process interesting to watch.
If this following interpretation is correct..
They will leave the EU. Having no power within the EU any longer. (the "no deal" in effect) Their horn is removed and added to one of the core nations.
Could be 10, like I have said before, but it could also just mean the whole amount because 10 is used in that way many times. So we have to watch, either way it has nothing much to do with the overall message.
 
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Could be 10, like I have said before, but it could also just mean the whole amount because 10 is used in that way many times. So we have to watch, either way it has nothing much to do with the overall message.
Bible prophecy teachers state it differently than you do. They are more precise than you are.
 
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There were/are ten nations that made up the alliance. Then they opened it up for more nations to join them.

The ten nations are the only ones that have full voting rights. They are the power core nations.
The ten horns of Revelation.
They are the ones represented by the ten toes in Nebuchadnezzar's dream.

In Revelation the horns of the beast undergo a distribution change but there are still ten.
Ten horns for each head. Three heads are subdued, those 3 horns transferred to one of the heads. Resulting in "seven heads, ten horns"

The united kingdom "brexit" looks like a fulfillment of the Biblical prophecy.. making the process interesting to watch.
If this following interpretation is correct..
They will leave the EU. Having no power within the EU any longer. (the "no deal" in effect) Their horn is removed and added to one of the core nations.
That's an interesting theory.
 
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Tomorrow, Saturday, the first meeting by the House of Commons since 1982 on a Saturday, big debate on the treaty (mis-called deal). I don't know if they vote or not, tomorrow. From what I hear on the You Tube videos, it is unpredictable of how the vote will go - but it is supposed to be close. High drama.

You Tube usually has live coverage of the parliament.
 
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Bible prophecy teachers state it differently than you do. They are more precise than you are.

I am a Bible Prophecy teacher brother. The number 10 stands for Gods Government, it stands for completeness etc. etc.

Number 10 is known as a symbol of the authority of God and his government on the Earth. This number can also symbolize responsibility, law and completeness. Actually, number 10 is considered to be the symbol of obedience and responsibility of people towards the God's law.

So the 10 toes in Daniel and thus the 10 Kings can represent Mankind disobeying God by serving Satan/Anti-Christ/Beast Governments.

Now any number can be a precise number, so it could be either or just like I stated. The 144,000 is not 144,000 its the Number 12 {Fullness} x 12,000 which = All Israel, or those 1/3 of the Jews who repented. Not every Jew, but Israel as a Nation is saved.

The Meaning of Numbers: The Number 10
In the Bible, the number 10 is used 242 times. The designation "10th" is used 79 times. Ten is also viewed as a complete and perfect number, as is 3, 7 and 12. It is made up of 4, the number of the physical creation, and 6, the number of man. As such, 10 signifies testimony, law, responsibility and the completeness of order.

In Genesis 1 we find the phrase "God said" 10 times, which is a testimony of His creative power. God gave the 10 Commandments to man. Ten therefore represents man's responsibility to keep the commandments. A tithe is a 10th of our earnings and is a testimony of our faith in the Lord.

The Passover lamb was selected on day 10 of the 1st month (Exodus 12:3), as was Jesus, the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world (John 12:28 - 29; 1Corinthians 5:7). Day 10 of the 7th month is also the Holy Day known as the Day of Atonement. This unique day of fasting pictures the removal of Satan, the author of sin, before the Millennial reign of Jesus begins (Revelation 20:1 - 2). The last great world-ruling kingdom of man under Satan is symbolized prophetically by the 10 toes of Daniel 2 and the 10 horns of Revelation 13 and 17.

Like I stated, a person who understands Prophecy knows these things so he is more guarded in making pronouncements that certain numbers must mean exactly what they stand for. I say again, it doesn't matter if they mean 10 are ALL/Completeness.

It is what it is, when there are two possibilities, we can't be dogmatic brother.
 
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Parliament voted today, Saturday Oct 19, to put off passing Prime Minister Boris Johnson's deal, to wait for him to present it in legislation form to vote on it. There is supposed to be a law in place passed by parliament, called the Benn Act that he is now required to send a letter to the EU to ask for an extension to the Oct 31 leave date. But Boris Johnson said he was not obligated by law to write such a letter by the end of the day (if his plan was not approved today), and that he was not going to. Which heightens the drama to see what is going to happen next as the Oct 31 leave the EU day approaches.
 
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Well Boris Johnson sent a photo copy of a letter prewritten in the Benn Act requesting an extension to the EU, for brexit, to comply with that law. But he did not sign it. He did send an accompanying letter saying he did not really want an extension because he thought it would be bad for Great Britain and the EU. That letter, he signed.

The EU leader Donald Tusk, to whom the letters were sent, said he would have to consult with other EU members on how to respond. There are 11 days to go to the Oct 31 deadline.
 
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Like I stated, a person who understands Prophecy knows these things so he is more guarded in making pronouncements that certain numbers must mean exactly what they stand for. I say again, it doesn't matter if they mean 10 are ALL/Completeness.
I believe that Daniel and the apostle John did an excellent job of Bible prophecy which cannot be improved upon by you adding numerology.
 
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