Women in church

Emmylouwho · Oct 19, 2019

HardHead said:
That interpretation and what you do with it after reading the letters is absolutely and completely up to you, as it should be. This is always a personal thing.

Why do you read it the way you do? Is there something in the text that makes you think as you do regarding it being only a personal correspondence that is of little value to you?

All the best to you.

Pretty much. Jesus said it better than Paul.

Emmylouwho · Oct 19, 2019

HardHead said:
OK. I can assure you that Canada, where I live, is similar in this respect. America does not have a monopoly on freedom and rule of law.

Quite frankly, I think Canada is great!

HardHead · Oct 19, 2019

Emmylouwho said:
Pretty much. Jesus said it better than Paul.

This is true He did say it better than all of them.

HardHead · Oct 19, 2019

Emmylouwho said:
Quite frankly, I think Canada is great!

Nice. Come and see the place if you have not yet. We will feed you pie.

I travel to the USA often work and for vacations/fun. I have not had a bad experience there as a visitor. I reject as an outlier the experience we had when we were stuck in LaGuardia and then JFK for about twenty six hours due to mechanical difficulties and then weather. Even that turned out to be fun in some strange way.

Emmylouwho · Oct 19, 2019

Strong in Him said:
The Bible is a public document, available for everyone in every bookshop.
You are not opening someone else's mail - it became available to everyone as soon as it was published. Even before then, Paul intended his letters to be passed around the churches, e.g Colossians 4:16.

It's sad that anyone would think that the definition of love in 1 Corinthians 13 has nothing to say to them.

How could Paul say anything better than Jesus did?

Emmylouwho · Oct 19, 2019

HardHead said:
Nice. Come and see the place if you have not yet. We will feed you pie.

I travel to the USA often work and for vacations/fun. I have not had a bad experience there as a visitor. I reject as an outlier the experience we had when we were stuck in LaGuardia and then JFK for about twenty six hours due to mechanical difficulties and then weather. Even that turned out to be fun in some strange way.

I’ve been to Montreal many times. Beautiful city. A few years ago I went to Old Quebec City... it was amazing.

Emmylouwho · Oct 19, 2019

HardHead said:
Nice. Come and see the place if you have not yet. We will feed you pie.

I travel to the USA often work and for vacations/fun. I have not had a bad experience there as a visitor. I reject as an outlier the experience we had when we were stuck in LaGuardia and then JFK for about twenty six hours due to mechanical difficulties and then weather. Even that turned out to be fun in some strange way.

John Dunsworth is one of my favorite actors, and Trailer Park Boys is one of my favorite tv shows.

HardHead · Oct 19, 2019

Emmylouwho said:
Quebec City..

Quebec City is better than Montreal in many ways.

Emmylouwho · Oct 19, 2019

Strong in Him said:
Most of the NT is - Romans, 1&2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1&2 Thessalonians, 1&2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon.

Your choice.

Really?
So,

has nothing to do with you; you don't need to know about the nature of love?
The Lord's Supper, the chapter when Paul talks about Jesus' resurrection and life after death, have nothing to do with you? You are not encouraged by the role of the Holy Spirit who gives gifts to God's people - gifts of teaching, evangelism, service etc; they have nothing to do with you?

Not all of it is; very little, in fact, I would say is directly for them and their own situation.
But even if all of it was, it doesn't mean that we can't learn from it and should dismiss it as irrelevant. Haven't you ever written a letter/email to someone which contains advice, truth etc that someone else who read it might not also benefit from?
As I said, Paul talks about the nature of love, the Lord's Supper, the gifts of the Spirit, what the Gospel is etc - these are universal teachings; spiritual truths for everyone. You miss out big time if you dismiss them as being irrelevant.

I guess I just don’t understand why treating people as you wish to be treated, and loving your neighbor and perhaps your enemies, isn’t enough.

HardHead · Oct 19, 2019

Emmylouwho said:
John Dunsworth is one of my favorite actors, and Trailer Park Boys is one of my favorite tv shows.

Nova Scotia is cool. I did not follow the show much although I have seen a few episodes.

Right now its Schitt's Creek with Catherine O'Hara in it that seems to draw attention in our house.

Emmylouwho · Oct 19, 2019

HardHead said:
Quebec City is better than Montreal in many ways.

The food was fantastic! And the service was impeccable and friendly.

HardHead · Oct 19, 2019

Emmylouwho said:
The food was fantastic! And the service was impeccable and friendly.

Come to Toronto if you get a chance. Its worth experiencing.

Emmylouwho · Oct 19, 2019

HardHead said:
Nova Scotia is cool. I did not follow the show much although I have seen a few episodes.

Right now its Schitt's Creek with Catherine O'Hara in it that seems to draw attention in our house.

I forgot about Nova Scotia! Been there as well, but didn’t go to Prince Edward Island. Saw the Bay of Fundy, rented a car and drove around the coast till we got to Halifax.

Emmylouwho · Oct 19, 2019

Strong in Him said:
3 things:
1. Christians believe that the Bible is the (written) word of God and accept, and trust it over personal opinion.
2. If you don't accept the writings of Paul or believe that they are part of Scripture, you shouldn't be posting in this forum, as per forum rules.
3. If that's what you believe then you should ask for this thread to be closed. You said you were puzzled why women do something when Paul said not to, and quoted the verses in question. Yet when people have tried to explain those verses in context, you dismiss the entire letter as "personal correspondence", nothing to do with you. So, with respect, why did you quote from a letter you don't believe, and why does it matter if you are puzzled since you dismiss this very lovely part of Scripture anyway?

I didn’t dismiss it until I learned more from this thread.

Emmylouwho · Oct 19, 2019

HardHead said:
Come to Toronto if you get a chance. Its worth experiencing.

One of my ex’s lived in Vancouver for a year. He loved it.

HardHead · Oct 19, 2019

Emmylouwho said:
but didn’t go to Prince Edward Island.

The island is not bad. We drove around it in about a day. Halifax is nice. Peggy's Cove is like a post card.

Emmylouwho · Oct 19, 2019

HardHead said:
The island is not bad. We drove around it in about a day. Halifax is nice. Peggy's Cove is like a post card.

Yes. We did hit Peggy’s Cove and it was indeed picturesque.

2PhiloVoid · Oct 19, 2019

Emmylouwho said:
I guess I just don’t understand why treating people as you wish to be treated, and loving your neighbor and perhaps your enemies, isn’t enough.

Here's an analogy, Emmylouwho, and you can just take it for what you may things it worth.

If God is the Creator and Lord over All, then loving one's neighbor alone but then later thinking we also need to worship God is kind of like realizing why it isn't simply "good enough" to stop at a stop sign IF the overall issue is about how our cars pollute and destroy our environment. See the implication here?

Strong in Him · Oct 20, 2019

Emmylouwho said:
I didn’t dismiss it until I learned more from this thread.

Someone may have said that Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 14 referred to women who were asking questions in the service instead of at home - that's no grounds to dismiss the entire letter as being personal correspondence and completely irrelevant for you.
That's what you call a massive overreaction.

Strong in Him · Oct 20, 2019

Emmylouwho said:
Pretty much. Jesus said it better than Paul.

How so?
Paul taught about Jesus and what he death on the cross means for everyone.

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