Was the holocaust due in part to the Jewish people rejecting Jesus?

JackRT said:

Sadly, far FAR too many Christians were willing to step forward to volunteer to be agents of that curse. It would seem that the curse applied to these people as well.

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Yes, to some extent there is some truth to that. Some Christians, like the Israelites of old, can fail miserably. And I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that I have the right to judge here those Germans in recent history who gave their hearty assent and consent to Hitler and his forces, all of which is in quite stark contrast to the decisions and actions of either Christians like Dietrich Bonhoeffer or other Christians like Dean Heinrich Gruber, or especially someone like Corrie ten Boom.

I think it's not too difficult to separate the sheep from the goats in some of this very messy historical political and spiritual catastrophe. Let's also just face the fact that all of that which composed the entire episode in what we call World War II was a terrible thing for all involved .................and because I know that this is the case, I'm not going to just casually play armchair prophet and demand that my view be taken as any kind of 'final solution' to our interpretations, but as a Christian and as a philosopher who makes ongoing academic analyses, I'm still going to hang with my current interpretation of the Holocaust, as painful as that is to have to say.

dqhall said:

Hitler and the Nazis did not heed God’s teachings against murder and false accusation. Some Jews followed Jesus Christ the Jew.

Hitler betrayed Jesus. He committed suicide by shooting himself in the head like Judas Iscariot committed suicide after he betrayed Jesus many years earlier.

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There are various theories, based on purported forensic evidence, on whether or not he really committed suicide or faked it to throw people off the track while he escaped to....Argentina...so he could drive a cab or whatever. Darned if I know. Lol.

Ever seen that movie The Boys From Brazil? I just hope it has no truth in it, though they were apparently doing cloning back then.

NothingIsImpossible said:

I'm sure this topic may stir up some but I am simply looking for opinions.

I've seen people before say because Jews had rejected Jesus, it is why bad things seem to happen to them. Thus some people say the holocaust would happen no matter what. What do you think?

I personally don't think it would be fair to say that since God would not punish them for such a thing. They are lost, but still his children. Then again I may be wrong. I do remember hearing that anti-semitism existed before Hitler ever existed. Many Catholic Europeans before Hitler had held Jews responsible for Jesus death. Again, this is what I read. Not saying this part is true or not.

I am still sad to see so many christians of any denomination/view that refuse to support Jews or Israel. Though thats another subject.

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The destruction of Jerusalem and the subsequent events that followed later surpasses the Holocaust in the ruin of the Jewish people. They were murdered and exiled as slaves by the masses out of Palestine. This was the main consequence of their rejection of Jesus.

LoricaLady said:

Ever seen that movie The Boys From Brazil? I just hope it has no truth in it, though they were apparently doing cloning back then.

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At the point when the movie was made cloning was still theoretical. It was certainly not a reality in post WW2.

Carl Emerson said:

Sorry - error on my part... not fully awake yet down under. I just corrected it.

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Cool. Now I agree.

JackRT said:

At the point when the movie was made cloning was still theoretical. It was certainly not a reality in post WW2.

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It was being discussed. It was being worked on. There is no reason to assume that evil people tell us all they know and all they have been up to and made progress on. I don't personally know, of course, but I truly believe that a lot goes on in the world of mad science that we don't hear about. Mho.

This may seem totally off topic. But it is related to the Nazi world. You know all those UFOs that some say are buzzing around? If you research Nazi Vrill ships you will see that they look like old fashioned UFOs being seen today, both the saucer kind and the bell shaped kind. As for "aliens" how interesting that they look so humanoid, even fetal looking. I think that if they are real they are just genetic chimeras, some say a cross between people and dolphins.

Again, I don't know. But I am just wondering if those examples could show that we have no reason to assume that much of anything in the world of weird, hidden, science, will be revealed to the general populace.

No. It was due to the racist attitudes of the Nazi's who believed they were the master race. The plan was to rid the world of all inferior races not just the Jews until the world was all white, preferably blond and blue eyes northern European.

LoricaLady said:

we have no reason to assume that much of anything in the world of weird, hidden, science, will be revealed to the general populace.

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Look how quickly nazi scientists were grabbed up and put to work for America. Talk about forgiveness in the name of profit and warfare.

NothingIsImpossible said:

I'm sure this topic may stir up some but I am simply looking for opinions.

I've seen people before say because Jews had rejected Jesus, it is why bad things seem to happen to them. Thus some people say the holocaust would happen no matter what. What do you think?

I personally don't think it would be fair to say that since God would not punish them for such a thing. They are lost, but still his children. Then again I may be wrong. I do remember hearing that anti-semitism existed before Hitler ever existed. Many Catholic Europeans before Hitler had held Jews responsible for Jesus death. Again, this is what I read. Not saying this part is true or not.

I am still sad to see so many christians of any denomination/view that refuse to support Jews or Israel. Though thats another subject.

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Not all Jews rejected Jesus. There were and are Messianic Jews. To your question, of course not!

Emmylouwho said:

According to the Bible, God hated Jews way before Jesus came along.

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I would be interested in the supporting argument.

timothyu said:

Look how quickly nazi scientists were grabbed up and put to work for America. Talk about forgiveness in the name of profit and warfare.

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Profit and warfare....and whatever else they may have been jointly up to.

LoricaLady said:

and whatever else they may have been jointly up to.

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Like rockets and genetic modification. 70 years later and away we go. Thanks nazis.. and Adolf for the Volkswagen.

Strathos said:

That's a rather terrible thing to suggest. And besides, many Christians were killed in the Holocaust as well (basically anyone who opposed Hitler or was a member of any kind of group he didn't like was fair game).

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Yes, also all disabled were in danger.

zoidar said:

Yes, also everyone that had some kind of disorder was in danger.

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That is true as well, the master race would not tolerate people with any kind of 'defect.' even if they were white, blond and blue-eyed.

The irony of it is, if they had made over humanity the way they wanted it, the lack of diversity in the remaining gene pool would have made birth defects more and more likely as time went by.

coffee4u said:

That is true as well, the master race would not tolerate people with any kind of 'defect.' even if the were white, blond and blue-eyed.

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Whereas alternately, our master race which bows to business acumen, needs the unworthy in order to make the system work for them.

Emmylouwho said:

According to the Bible, God hated Jews way before Jesus came along.

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Do you know Jesus was a Jew?

coffee4u said:

That is true as well, the master race would not tolerate people with any kind of 'defect.' even if the were white, blond and blue-eyed.

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Once he was in power Hitler went right for the communists and trade unionists. Hey! That sounds a lot like some Republicans.

timothyu said:

Whereas alternately, our master race which bows to business acumen, needs the unworthy in order to make the system work for them.

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I have no clue what you just said.

JackRT said:

Once he was in power Hitler went right for the communists and trade unionists. Hey! That sounds a lot like some Republicans.

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Yes, better wipe out all of them, then target all the people who disagree with you and hey, you are left with just yourself.

coffee4u said:

Yes, better wipe out all of them, then target all the people who disagree with you and hey, you are left with just yourself.

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Yep, just you and me and I am not really sure about you.