What day is the sabath what day does the bible say?

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Also in the New testament we learn that is was Jesus' custom to go into the synagogue on Sabbath but we also learn it was Paul's custom as well. Paul also encouraged both Jews and Greeks to come into the Synagogue to listen to him preach. The fact is there is more examples of the Sabbath being observed than any evidence of the first day being observed.
As noted before, they--being Jews--naturally did this. But within a few years of the founding of the new church, the day of worship was moved to Sunday and that, along with the explanation for the move, is in the New Testament which we all say we recognize as the word of God.
 
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I'm not necessarily trying to say that if you worship on Sunday that your not on the narrow path.
The scripture is based on a Jewish calendar and that calendar was a lunisolar calendar, i.e., lunar months in a solar year.

The days, 'Saturday', and, 'Sunday', are the names of Roman days and have nothing to do with the Jewish calendar.
But that the true sabbath is on Saturday that's the day Jesus and the apostles used back in the day.
That is not what is written in the scripture, Saturday is not in the scripture.

The Jewish seventh day was calculated from the observed new moon, and the Jewish months were from new moon to new moon.

Isaiah 66:23
And it shall be from new moon to new moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.
I'm a seventh day Adventist
A factional church.
we believe in the coming of Sunday law which would end up being the mark of the beast if it happens.
A faulty eschatology based on a faulty interpretation.
Because the Roman Catholics church changed the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday to accomodates and fit in with their pagan religions.
The Catholic canon law must be cited to establish that claim, that the Catholic church changed the Sabbath day.
So worshipping the beast in these last days would include Sunday worship when Sunday law comes into place.
That is not what the scripture states.

Revelation 13:17
And he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

The mark is the name of the beast or the number of his name. The scripture does not mention the inclusion of 'Sunday worship'.
 
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As noted before, they--being Jews--naturally did this. But within a few years of the founding of the new church, the day of worship was moved to Sunday and that, along with the explanation for the move, is in the New Testament which we all say we recognize as the word of God.
No such move never happened. The bible doesn't support it. The Catholic church who made the change, takes full responsibility for it, but you are not going to accept that because it doesn't support your narrative.
 
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No such move never happened. The bible doesn't support it. The Catholic church who made the change, takes full responsibility for it, but you are not going to accept that because it doesn't support your narrative.
"My narrative" is based, as I said, on the Bible, not anything else.

If there were not that Biblical support, "my narrative" would be different. ;)

And by the way, there was no (Roman) Catholic Church at the time of that writing.
 
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The day's name varies between seventh day, Sunday, sabbath day, and Lord's day.
The day referred to as the seventh day is the seventh day on the Jewish calendar.

The days called Sunday and Saturday are derived from the Roman calendar and scripture was not based on the days named in the solar Roman calendar.

The Sabbath day was the Jewish seventh day in the lunisolar, Jewish calendar.

The Lord's day was beyond any doubt the first day and that is in the Jewish lunisolar calendar.

One cannot convert the seventh day found in the Jewish lunarsolar calendar, to a Saturday in a solar calendar. That would be incorrect and demonstrates a misunderstanding of the difference between a lunisolar calendar and a solar calendar.
 
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No such move never happened. The bible doesn't support it. The Catholic church who made the change, takes full responsibility for it, but you are not going to accept that because it doesn't support your narrative.
You must support a claim with the evidence.

Catholic law describes all Papal declarations.

If the Catholic church declared the day of rest to be moved from the seventh day, on the Jewish calendar. To the day called Sunday on the Roman calendar, then the canon law must be cited to support that claim.

By the way, Saturday is not the seventh day on the Roman calendar. There seems to be a deep confusion between the Jewish lunisolar calendar and the solar Roman calendar.
 
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The way to act in accordance with God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on God's righteousness, not on whether or not someone was a Jew. Likewise, sin was in the world before the Law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became righteous or sinful when the Law was given, but rather the Law revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that. The mark is God's nature and sin is missing the mark, so sin is specific to who God is, not to who Jews are.

The existence of sin requires there to be a standard of what is and is not sin, and this standard is God's Law. Gentiles are either under God's Law and are obligated to obey it, or are not under God's Law, have never needed to refrain from sin, have never needed Jesus to give himself to redeem them from all Lawlessness, and have never needed grace. However, God is sovereign, so we are all under God's Law and obligated to obey it, even those who aren't in a covenant relationship with God, such as with those who were judged in the Flood or when Sodom and Gomorrah were judged for their Lawless deeds. They didn't get the option of whether or not they wanted to be under God's Law and neither do you, but the choice you do get the make is whether or not you are going to heed the Gospel message, repent, and obey.

The verses that you quoted are different ways of saying the same thing, though you did quote 1 John 3:4, which confirms that sin is the transgression of God's law even for Gentiles. God's Law is His instructions for how to do what is holy, righteous, and good, so if you know to do the good that the Law instructs and do not, then that is sin. Likewise, all unrighteousness is sin because it is all in transgression of God's Law. God's Law is His instructions for how to walk in His ways (Deuteronomy 10:12-13), so it distinguishes between what is of the love of the Father and what is of the things of the world.
The expression of God's nature by definition is love, whereas the written law is an external set of rules, a landscape of laws that expose sinful behavior.

The written law shines a light on behavior that is not based on loving others. So all behavior that is not sourced from love is defined as sinful behavior.

The so called golden rule is shown below.

Matthew 7:12
In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

That golden rule is the deeper foundation of the law and effectively sums up and describes all human behavior. Before the written law the golden rule applied and sinful behavior has always been all about not loving others.
 
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Hi I always thought sunday was the sabath day but some people think the sabbath is on Saturday and now I don't know what day it realy is Saturday or sunday I always thought Sunday because God rested on the 7th day
If you check your calendar on the wall you will notice, more than likely, that the seventh day is rarely ever a Saturday.

The Jewish calendar was a lunisolar calendar.

This means that the Jewish seventh day was counted from the start of the Jewish month. The start of the Jewish month occurred in the evening, when the new moon was sighted in Israel.

The Gregorian calendar which you use does not follow lunar months, as the Gregorian calendar is a solar calendar.

So one cannot convert a Jewish seventh day into a Gregorian seventh day, as they are taken from different calendars. The two calendars, Jewish and Gregorian, use different methods for calculating the start of a month.

There seems to be a persistent and incorrect understanding of the lunisolar Jewish calendar.
 
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"The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God" (Exodus 20:10). "Now when the Sabbath was past, . . . Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen" (Mark 16:1, 2).

A little detective work is required. many people believe that the Sabbath is the first day of the week (Sunday). But this text shows that the Sabbath is the day that comes just before the first day of the week. According to Scripture, the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week (Saturday).
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"The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God" (Exodus 20:10). "Now when the Sabbath was past, . . . Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen" (Mark 16:1, 2).

A little detective work is required. many people believe that the Sabbath is the first day of the week (Sunday). But this text shows that the Sabbath is the day that comes just before the first day of the week. According to Scripture, the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week (Saturday).
The seventh day mentioned in the scripture is the seventh day derived from the Jewish calendar.

The Jews were not using a modern Gregorian calendar. The Jewish calendar used lunar months and these lunar months began when the new moon was observed.

There is no direct translation of a Jewish seventh day in the scripture to a Gregorian day of the week. Simply because the Gregorian seventh day of the solar month will not be a Saturday very often.

Different calendars.
 
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The Jewish seventh day was calculated from the observed new moon, and the Jewish months were from new moon to new moon.

The Sabbath was made for man.

Please show us in the bible where the
7th day Sabbath is ever calculated.
 
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"Heaven and earth will disappear/pass away, but my words will never disappear/pass away." (Matthew 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33)

Does not say the Bible is God

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)

The Word was and is Christ. The written word will never be God.


You exist in heaven or the mind of God as a thought or idea or a word... or thought or concept or idea defined by a word... And that thought or idea or whatever is wrapped up in a word... There is a word that defines you and is your dwelling place in heaven or in the heavens, etc... Whenever a new one of these is created (word/thought or whatever) or is "conceived" it is "given birth to" etc (or is created, because it is given birth to, etc) because it creates a new or other reality which is your home, which is each of ours "dwelling place" or home in heaven etc...

Thought is the vehicle by which we travel (through those other realities etc), but we never forsake who we are or our proper dwelling place or home, (or our own reality) when we're moving or traveling around, etc...

We just leave it for awhile then come back to it, but it/that dies not affect or effect us by changing who we are just because we do, etc...

We are certain words and they are us, all wrapped up in the one who is "The Word" or is the origin or the beginning of all words, etc (or thoughts, concepts or ideas, etc)...

It makes absolutely no sense. First we are more then thoughts or words and secondly his make a huge idol of words, in essence you change the real God for mere words on a page which can pass away very easily
 
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The scripture is based on a Jewish calendar and that calendar was a lunisolar calendar, i.e., lunar months in a solar year.

The days, 'Saturday', and, 'Sunday', are the names of Roman days and have nothing to do with the Jewish calendar.
That is not what is written in the scripture, Saturday is not in the scripture.

The Jewish seventh day was calculated from the observed new moon, and the Jewish months were from new moon to new moon.

Isaiah 66:23
And it shall be from new moon to new moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

A factional church.
A faulty eschatology based on a faulty interpretation.
The Catholic canon law must be cited to establish that claim, that the Catholic church changed the Sabbath day.
That is not what the scripture states.

Revelation 13:17
And he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

The mark is the name of the beast or the number of his name. The scripture does not mention the inclusion of 'Sunday worship'.
I actual find your post quite interesting because I just watched a video yesterday about the new moons and sabbath from worldslastdays on youtube. I'm 3 weeks into being a seventh day adventist I just recently started going cause it lined up more wity my beliefs. Thanks for quoting it but the way.
 
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The Sabbath was made for man.

Please show us in the bible where the
7th day Sabbath is ever calculated.
The Jews in ancient Israel counted the days from the evening when the new moon was observed.

1 Samuel 20:27
It came about the next day, the second day of the new moon, that David’s place was empty.

See that, very clearly the days were being counted from the new moon.

1 Samuel 20:34
Then Jonathan arose from the table in fierce anger, and did not eat food on the second day of the new moon.

Again the lunar day count is directly observed in the scripture.

Psalm 81:3
Blow the trumpet at the new moon.

Everyone will aware in Israel when the new moon is observed and that observation began the lunar month.

Isaiah 66:23
And it shall be from new moon to new moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me, says the Lord.

Form lunar month to lunar month, new moon to new moon.

Ezekiel 46:1
Thus says the Lord God, “The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the six working days; but it shall be opened on the sabbath day and opened on the day of the new moon."

Notice that you can enter the court on the day of the new moon. That is, you can enter the court on the first day of the lunar month, that was a rest day also.
 
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I actual find your post quite interesting because I just watched a video yesterday about the new moons and sabbath from worldslastdays on youtube. I'm 3 weeks into being a seventh day adventist I just recently started going cause it lined up more wity my beliefs. Thanks for quoting it but the way.
Always research everything and never trust any church organization for accurate information. All church organizations exhibit a bias in their interpretation of the scripture.
 
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1 Samuel 20:27
It came about the next day, the second day of the new moon, that David’s place was empty.

See that, very clearly the days were being counted from the new moon.

It clearly does not say in the bible, that
the new moon has to be 7th day Sabbath.

None of those verses say
how to figure a 7th day Sabbath
 
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Notice that you can enter the court on the day of the new moon. That is, you can enter the court on the first day of the lunar month, that was a rest day also.

Notice it Says you can enter on the Sabbath day, [also can] on the new moon. It does not say the new moon is the 7th day Sabbath.

What part of "The weekly cycle, which runs concurrently with but independently of the monthly and annual cycles." do you not understand?
Hebrew calendar - Wikipedia
 
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