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Semper-Fi · Oct 19, 2019

Sun worship | religion

"During the later periods of Roman history, sun worship gained in importance and ultimately led to what has been called a “solar monotheism.”

Nearly all the gods of the period were possessed of solar qualities, and both Christ and Mithra acquired the traits of solar deities.

The feast of Sol Invictus (Unconquered Sun) on December 25 was celebrated with great joy, and eventually this date was taken over by the Christians as Christmas, the birthday of Christ."
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Sun worship infects ancient Israel

In the ancient world, ‘sun worship’ was one of the most common forms of pagan idolatry. Immediately after Israel left Egypt,

God warned His people against being “driven to worship ... the sun.” Deuteronomy 4:19.

Israel later yielded to temptation, compromised with the nations around them, and dedicated their “horses ... to the sun.” 2 Kings 23:11.

During a time of revival, King Josiah purged much of Israel and “burned the chariots of the sun with fire.” 2 Kings 23:11.

Before the Babylonian captivity, many Israelite leaders rejected their Creator, yielded again to idolatry, and “worshipped the sun toward the east.” Ezekiel 8:16.

At the same time, God declared that they
“hid their eyes from My Sabbaths.” Ez 22:26.
Israel went from Sabbath keeping to sun worship.

In 1 Corinthians 10:1-11, Paul warned the Church against repeating the sins of ancient Israel.

visionary · Oct 19, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Well said. It’s either blame Constantine or the Catholic Church.

Probably not blame but acknowledging their taking credit.

NeedyFollower · Oct 19, 2019

Soyeong said:
In Acts 20:7, it is important to keep in mind that for Jews the day started at sundown, so a meeting on the first day of the week would have began on what we would refer to as Saturday at sundown. Jews have a longstanding tradition of meeting on the first day of the week for a Havdalah service on Saturday at sundown to mark the closing of the Sabbath and to welcome in the work week. Jews also traditionally didn't handle money on the Sabbath, so this was also a time when they would collect offerings. So Paul spoke from evening until midnight, not from morning until midnight, and then left on Sunday morning to travel. This does not establish that they met on Sunday morning, and even if they had, it wouldn't establish that this was the start of a new tradition, and even if it was, it wouldn't establish that they hypocritically set aside God's command to keep the Sabbath in order to establish their own tradition, and even if they had, it wouldn't establish that we should follow in their example of sin.

The topic of Romans 14 is in regard to how to handle disputable matters of opinion, not in regard to whether followers of God should follow God, so nothing in the chapter should be interpreted as teaching us to rebel against what the Father has commanded. The Sabbath is not even mentioned in Romans 14 primarily because it had nothing to do with what Paul was speaking about in that chapter. In Romans 14:5-6, it is speaking about those who eat or refrain from eating unto the Lord, so it is speaking about those who esteem certain days for fasting as a matter of opinion, not about the commands of God. God gave no command to fast twice a week, but that had become a common practice in the 1st century, and those who esteems certain days for fasting were passing judgement on those who did not and were in turn being resented (Luke 18:12). They were even judging each other over which two days of the week to fast:

Didache 8:1 Let not your fasts be with the hypocrites, for they fast on Mondays and Thursdays, but do you fast on Wednesdays and Fridays.

So whether someone chooses to esteem certain days for fasting is a disputable matter of opinion, but whether someone chooses to obey God's command to keep the Sabbath holy is a matter of obedience to God.

If you believe that God made the Sabbath for us, then that is all the more reason to keep it holy and to not spurn His precious gift.

In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, which straightforwardly includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 19:2-3)

Something that is holy is set apart and in order for something something to be set apart there needs to be something else that it is set apart from, so to treat every day in the same way is to treat none of them as holy. God did not instruct His followers to keep every day holy, but to keep the 7th day holy.

The Israelites received a double portion of mana for the 7th day for 40 years in the wilderness, so they knew on which day God rested, they have been keeping it ever since, and the day that they have been keeping corresponds to between Friday at sundown and Saturday at sundown. In 1 John 5:3, to love God is to keep His commandments, which are not burdensome, so keeping the 7th day Sabbath holy is part of what it looks like to love God.

Soyeong said:
In Acts 20:7, it is important to keep in mind that for Jews the day started at sundown, so a meeting on the first day of the week would have began on what we would refer to as Saturday at sundown. Jews have a longstanding tradition of meeting on the first day of the week for a Havdalah service on Saturday at sundown to mark the closing of the Sabbath and to welcome in the work week. Jews also traditionally didn't handle money on the Sabbath, so this was also a time when they would collect offerings. So Paul spoke from evening until midnight, not from morning until midnight, and then left on Sunday morning to travel. This does not establish that they met on Sunday morning, and even if they had, it wouldn't establish that this was the start of a new tradition, and even if it was, it wouldn't establish that they hypocritically set aside God's command to keep the Sabbath in order to establish their own tradition, and even if they had, it wouldn't establish that we should follow in their example of sin.

As I said , Saturday is the Sabbath but is a shadow of those who enter into Jesus Christ and who have been born again by the spirit of God by the will of God . It is shadow of the prophecy in Isaiah 66:23 " And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another , and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER , shall all flesh come to worship before me , saith the Lord . How great is the promise that we can come before His throne every day . This is the day that the Lord has made , I shall rejoice and be glad in it . I acknowledge that some esteem one day higher than others but does the whole not also contain the part ?

Soyeong said:
The topic of Romans 14 is in regard to how to handle disputable matters of opinion, not in regard to whether followers of God should follow God, so nothing in the chapter should be interpreted as teaching us to rebel against what the Father has commanded. The Sabbath is not even mentioned in Romans 14 primarily because it had nothing to do with what Paul was speaking about in that chapter. In Romans 14:5-6, it is speaking about those who eat or refrain from eating unto the Lord, so it is speaking about those who esteem certain days for fasting as a matter of opinion, not about the commands of God. God gave no command to fast twice a week, but that had become a common practice in the 1st century, and those who esteems certain days for fasting were passing judgement on those who did not and were in turn being resented (Luke 18:12). They were even judging each other over which two days of the week to fast:

Didache 8:1 Let not your fasts be with the hypocrites, for they fast on Mondays and Thursdays, but do you fast on Wednesdays and Fridays.

So whether someone chooses to esteem certain days for fasting is a disputable matter of opinion, but whether someone chooses to obey God's command to keep the Sabbath holy is a matter of obedience to God.

Well brother , I can only go by the text and my limited knowledge of the written histories which have been passed down . Any thing else is speculation . Romans was written to people who had forsaken all to follow Jesus but had fallen to squabbles over outward observances . Fasting is alluded to in the eating or not eating unto the Lord but also in the observing the days ...they were not tied together except through speculation. We will all stand before the judgement seat of Christ and if your are more holy than I am for observing the correct day in which to serve Christ and I am in error , then I hope you receive more honor than I do but it will all still be to the glory of God ...You may get a seat higher at the feast to which we have been invited through the blood of Lamb and I will praise God .
I am familiar with the history of church , the feast days and the fast days . So was Amos and Isiah . God abhorred their feast days and new moons and sabbaths ..he would not smell in their solemn assemblies . They invented instruments of music like unto David but were missing compassion . They had no love ...only observances .
Yes , we ARE to keep the sabbath holy but again , unless it was written on the sabbath to beye Holy for I am holy , then I think every day is Holy and special ...every day is set apart since we are set apart and bought with a price .

Soyeong said:
If you believe that God made the Sabbath for us, then that is all the more reason to keep it holy and to not spurn His precious gift.

His precious gift spilled His blood for me but some will not enter into that rest through unbelief .

Soyeong said:
In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, which straightforwardly includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 19:2-3)

Yes , 7 days does also include the one day . Shall we be unholy on the other days or just the sabbath ? If we are the body of our Lord Jesus , when was he Holy ? From Friday at Sundown unto Saturday at Sundown ? This is how He fulfilled the law without abolishing the Law .

Soyeong said:
Something that is holy is set apart and in order for something something to be set apart there needs to be something else that it is set apart from, so to treat every day in the same way is to treat none of them as holy. God did not instruct His followers to keep every day holy, but to keep the 7th day holy.

Brother ..read what you just wrote ..God did not instruct his followers to keep every day holy ....where do you read this ? We are Holy because He is Holy and we are His body ...a separate people . We are different than the world and when are we different than the world ? Again , when was Jesus, Jesus ? He is our head but we are His body ..a holy people .

Soyeong said:
The Israelites received a double portion of mana for the 7th day for 40 years in the wilderness, so they knew on which day God rested, they have been keeping it ever since, and the day that they have been keeping corresponds to between Friday at sundown and Saturday at sundown. In 1 John 5:3, to love God is to keep His commandments, which are not burdensome, so keeping the 7th day Sabbath holy is part of what it looks like to love God.

For me to live is Christ and to die is gain . I love God because He first loved me . And yes ..we are to be Holy on His Sabbath and the next day and the next day and the next . Keep yourself in the love of God . Take heed that you don't live for yourself on the other days . Rest unto God from Friday night at sundown to Saturday night at sundown but you are still His 1 second after sundown on Saturday .
Loving God and others is never burdensome ...it is a delight and something I do not deserve ...for it is all of the law and the prophets . It is the promise fulfilled . But without love ? I am a dead man walking ..a clanging cymbal . Jesus said ...A new commandment I give you .....that you love one another. Do we keep that one ? Do we ? Really ? May we do away with that one and keep all of the others ...especially the Sabbath ? Is that the purpose ? Then Christ died in vain and our faith is made void .

Christ is Lord · Oct 19, 2019

rockytopva said:
You just quoted....

And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration. - Justin Martyr (100-165 AD) ANF01. The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Justin Martyr was well before the establishment of the Catholic Church and the reign of the emperor Constantine

Correct. I was making a joke that people like to blame Constantine and the Catholic Church for a lot of things.

rockytopva · Oct 19, 2019

rockytopva said:
You just quoted....

And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration. - Justin Martyr (100-165 AD) ANF01. The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Justin Martyr was well before the establishment of the Catholic Church and the reign of the emperor Constantine

I did not realize that Messianic worshiped on Saturday until this tread came along. On searching the internet is seems all Messianic churches are this way. I believe it would have helped had the apostles themselves addressed this issue as there is very little support for the Saturday sabbath observance in the New Testament.

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. - Matthew 12:1-2

Christ is Lord · Oct 19, 2019

visionary said:
If they know the history of how Sunday got its name, then the statement that it is not about sun worship resolves itself.

Interesting. However, how Sunday got it’s name isn’t relevant. The word ‘Saturday’ was known as the day of Saturn, if I recall correctly. Does that mean because we worship Christ on Saturday or Sunday we are worshiping pagan deities? A day could be have been associated with pagan worship however, just because Christian met on that day doesn’t automatically mean it’s connected.

Concord1968 · Oct 19, 2019

Interestingly enough, the Apostle Paul condemned, in his New Testament epistles, repeatedly the Judaizers who were trying to force the Mosaic Law on the early church.

visionary · Oct 19, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Interesting. However, how Sunday got it’s name isn’t relevant. The word ‘Saturday’ was known as the day of Saturn, if I recall correctly. Does that mean because we worship Christ on Saturday or Sunday we are worshiping pagan deities? A day could be have been associated with pagan worship however, just because Christian met on that day doesn’t automatically mean it’s connected.

I know this is way down the thread that this little piece of information was given to.. and that the derailing it is causing is not the posts objectives.

visionary · Oct 19, 2019

rockytopva said:
I did not realize that Messianic worshiped on Saturday until this tread came along. On searching the internet is seems all Messianic churches are this way. I believe it would have helped had the apostles themselves addressed this issue as there is very little support for the Saturday sabbath observance in the New Testament.

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. - Matthew 12:1-2

Way more support for Sabbath observance than Sunday. Just in the count of Sabbath observance in Acts alone reveal the continuation of it without controversary.

Devin P · Oct 19, 2019

ewq1938 said:
The Sabbath originally was just for the Jews. Eventually the covenant was broken and a long time later God instituted a new covenant first offered to Jews who would accept Christ, then to the rest of the world. All who would accept Christ ie: Christians, would have a new covenant and thus a new Sabbath for rest. It because a spiritual rest rather than a certain day where one rested. A Christians has this spiritual Sabbath always because Christ gives us rest every day. We can also take literal rest from work on any day since Christ is the current concept of a Sabbath.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Christ is our Sabbath rest now.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Sabbath was one of many things that were shadows of things to come which means they would be fulfilled and replaced with something much greater.

Heb 4:7 Much later God told David to make the promise again, just as I have already said, "If you hear his voice today, don't be stubborn!"
Heb 4:8 If Joshua had really given the people rest, there would not be any need for God to talk about another day of rest.
Heb 4:9 But God has promised us a Sabbath when we will rest, even though it has not yet come.
Heb 4:10 On that day God's people will rest from their work, just as God rested from his work.
Heb 4:11 We should do our best to enter that place of rest, so that none of us will disobey and miss going there, as they did.

Here the Sabbath is spoken as a place of rest, the eternity, when we will rest from all the struggles of life, sin and any hardships.

The Sabbath never was just for the Jews.

Albion · Oct 19, 2019

visionary said:
Way more support for Sabbath observance than Sunday. Just in the count of Sabbath observance in Acts alone reveal the continuation of it without controversary.

Of course the first Christians went to synagogues as usual, and only later were forced out. However, the New Testament does record the turn to Sunday by them, and gives the reason for that (meaning that the idea of it being just a gathering for fellowship or else only one of a number of worship services held throughout the week...is in error).

It requires only one explanation about the choice of Sunday for us to justify that move, no matter how many references to the then-obsolete practice of Saturday worship can be found in Scripture.

buzuxi02 · Oct 19, 2019

The 7th day is the Sabbath (in english called saturday)
The 1st day of the week is the Lords Day (called Sunday in English)

I wouldnt listen to much more from english speakers as they have retained the old pagan roman and Nordic days of the week and are clueless. Its how the old pagan Roman's thought Jews worshipped Saturn because they held saturday (Saturn's day) as a holy day.

Kaon · Oct 19, 2019

GingerBeer said:
Okay, Matthew chapter twelve.

(Matthew 12:1-8)
[1] At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. [2] But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath. [3] He said to them, Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him: [4] how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? [5] Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless? [6] I tell you, something greater than the temple is here. [7] And if you had known what this means, I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless. [8] For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.

If you think Christ is saying there He broke the Law, then OK.

But why would you worship a Law breaker as a god? He is just like us - a poor schmuck who cannot follow all commandments of the Most High God. It also means God really is a monster for holding us to a standard that we cannot meet - since you are saying our very Savior broke the law.

And, I am not a Sabbaterian, Catholic, Baptist, SDA, or any denomination.

Soyeong · Oct 19, 2019

klutedavid said:
But the law says that I can give my slave a very severe whooping. Who am I to believe?

The law is holy, righteous, and good.

Exodus 21:20-21
If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.

If you agree that the Law is righteous and came from a God who is righteous, then treat it as being righteous instead of perverting it into being something that is unrighteous and blaspheming God.

GingerBeer · Oct 19, 2019

visionary said:
Knowing the history of where the day got its name and why helps.

The day's name varies between seventh day, Sunday, sabbath day, and Lord's day.

GingerBeer · Oct 19, 2019

Kaon said:
why would you worship a Law breaker as a god?

Jesus is God and that's why I worship him.

Soyeong · Oct 19, 2019

NeedyFollower said:
As I said , Saturday is the Sabbath but is a shadow of those who enter into Jesus Christ and who have been born again by the spirit of God by the will of God . It is shadow of the prophecy in Isaiah 66:23 " And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another , and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER , shall all flesh come to worship before me , saith the Lord . How great is the promise that we can come before His throne every day . This is the day that the Lord has made , I shall rejoice and be glad in it . I acknowledge that some esteem one day higher than others but does the whole not also contain the part ?

Well brother , I can only go by the text and my limited knowledge of the written histories which have been passed down . Any thing else is speculation . Romans was written to people who had forsaken all to follow Jesus but had fallen to squabbles over outward observances . Fasting is alluded to in the eating or not eating unto the Lord but also in the observing the days ...they were not tied together except through speculation. We will all stand before the judgement seat of Christ and if your are more holy than I am for observing the correct day in which to serve Christ and I am in error , then I hope you receive more honor than I do but it will all still be to the glory of God ...You may get a seat higher at the feast to which we have been invited through the blood of Lamb and I will praise God .
I am familiar with the history of church , the feast days and the fast days . So was Amos and Isiah . God abhorred their feast days and new moons and sabbaths ..he would not smell in their solemn assemblies . They invented instruments of music like unto David but were missing compassion . They had no love ...only observances .
Yes , we ARE to keep the sabbath holy but again , unless it was written on the sabbath to beye Holy for I am holy , then I think every day is Holy and special ...every day is set apart since we are set apart and bought with a price .

His precious gift spilled His blood for me but some will not enter into that rest through unbelief .

Yes , 7 days does also include the one day . Shall we be unholy on the other days or just the sabbath ? If we are the body of our Lord Jesus , when was he Holy ? From Friday at Sundown unto Saturday at Sundown ? This is how He fulfilled the law without abolishing the Law .

Brother ..read what you just wrote ..God did not instruct his followers to keep every day holy ....where do you read this ? We are Holy because He is Holy and we are His body ...a separate people . We are different than the world and when are we different than the world ? Again , when was Jesus, Jesus ? He is our head but we are His body ..a holy people .

For me to live is Christ and to die is gain . I love God because He first loved me . And yes ..we are to be Holy on His Sabbath and the next day and the next day and the next . Keep yourself in the love of God . Take heed that you don't live for yourself on the other days . Rest unto God from Friday night at sundown to Saturday night at sundown but you are still His 1 second after sundown on Saturday .
Loving God and others is never burdensome ...it is a delight and something I do not deserve ...for it is all of the law and the prophets . It is the promise fulfilled . But without love ? I am a dead man walking ..a clanging cymbal . Jesus said ...A new commandment I give you .....that you love one another. Do we keep that one ? Do we ? Really ? May we do away with that one and keep all of the others ...especially the Sabbath ? Is that the purpose ? Then Christ died in vain and our faith is made void .

In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which you are using as justification for keeping every day holy, however, that is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, which did not include keeping every day holy, but rather it includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy:

Leviticus 19:2-3 Speak to all the congregation of the people of Israel and say to them, You shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy. 3 Every one of you shall revere his mother and his father, and you shall keep my Sabbaths: I am the Lord your God.

And includes refrain from eating unclean animals:

Leviticus 11:44-45 For I am the Lord your God. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am holy. You shall not defile yourselves with any swarming thing that crawls on the ground. 45 For I am the Lord who brought you up out of the land of Egypt to be your God. You shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.”

So keeping God's Sabbaths holy does not mean that we should keep every day holy and does not mean that we shouldn't live holy lives on every day, such as by refraining from eating unclean animals on every day. If we did on every day what God wants us to do on His Sabbaths, then we would do no work, but God also wants us to work.

Do you recognize the difference between speaking about holy days that God commanded and speaking about days that man has esteemed as a matter of opinion? We should be careful not to mistake something that was only said against following man's opinion as being against obeying what God has commanded.

Jesus was one of many who fulfilled the Law by teaching how to correctly understand and obey it by word and by example. So I agree that keeping God's Sabbath holy without love is worthless especially because keeping God's Sabbaths holy was intended to be a conduit of how we are to express our love.

Soyeong · Oct 19, 2019

klutedavid said:
Sin would be transgression of the law for a Jew.

For a Gentile who is not under the law, sin is defined differently.

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth not, to him it is sin.

1 John 5:17
All unrighteousness is sin and there is a sin not unto death.

1 John 3:4
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

1 John 2:15
Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Philippians 3:18-20
For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things.

The way to act in accordance with God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on God's righteousness, not on whether or not someone was a Jew. Likewise, sin was in the world before the Law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became righteous or sinful when the Law was given, but rather the Law revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that. The mark is God's nature and sin is missing the mark, so sin is specific to who God is, not to who Jews are.

The existence of sin requires there to be a standard of what is and is not sin, and this standard is God's Law. Gentiles are either under God's Law and are obligated to obey it, or are not under God's Law, have never needed to refrain from sin, have never needed Jesus to give himself to redeem them from all Lawlessness, and have never needed grace. However, God is sovereign, so we are all under God's Law and obligated to obey it, even those who aren't in a covenant relationship with God, such as with those who were judged in the Flood or when Sodom and Gomorrah were judged for their Lawless deeds. They didn't get the option of whether or not they wanted to be under God's Law and neither do you, but the choice you do get the make is whether or not you are going to heed the Gospel message, repent, and obey.

The verses that you quoted are different ways of saying the same thing, though you did quote 1 John 3:4, which confirms that sin is the transgression of God's law even for Gentiles. God's Law is His instructions for how to do what is holy, righteous, and good, so if you know to do the good that the Law instructs and do not, then that is sin. Likewise, all unrighteousness is sin because it is all in transgression of God's Law. God's Law is His instructions for how to walk in His ways (Deuteronomy 10:12-13), so it distinguishes between what is of the love of the Father and what is of the things of the world.

Soyeong · Oct 19, 2019

ewq1938 said:
The exception being righteous transgressions of the law like the examples Christ gave.

Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Apparently you don't believe in what Christ teaches in this verse since you think all violations of the law require blame.

It is possible to profane the Sabbath and be blameless. Christ did it himself!

God's Law is His instructions for how to distinguish between doing what is righteous or unrighteous, so any transgression of the Law is by definition unrighteous, and there is no such thing as a righteous transgression of the Law. It is not a transgression of the Law to do something that it was never intended to be understood as being prohibited, so Priests performing the duties on the Sabbath were held innocent because they were not violating the Law.

PROPHECYKID · Oct 19, 2019

rockytopva said:
I did not realize that Messianic worshiped on Saturday until this tread came along. On searching the internet is seems all Messianic churches are this way. I believe it would have helped had the apostles themselves addressed this issue as there is very little support for the Saturday sabbath observance in the New Testament.

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. - Matthew 12:1-2

The apostles did not need to address this issue. It was not an issue. Sabbath keeping was never an issue. The issue actually, was that the pharisees added extra laws to make Sabbath observance a huge burden.. The pharisees and other Jewish Leaders were very legalistic and never understood what the purpose behind any of the laws were. It was all letter and no spirit. So, when Jesus healed the man and told him to take up his bed and walk, the pharisees had a rule about the distance people were supposed to walk on the Sabbath, carrying any sort of load so they then accused Jesus of encouraging Sabbath breaking. Jesus told them it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. Lawful means it is not against the law, so Jesus always kept the Sabbath, just not according to the rules of the pharisees.

Also in the New testament we learn that is was Jesus' custom to go into the synagogue on Sabbath but we also learn it was Paul's custom as well. Paul also encouraged both Jews and Greeks to come into the Synagogue to listen to him preach. The fact is there is more examples of the Sabbath being observed than any evidence of the first day being observed.

What day is the sabath what day does the bible say?

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Love to pray! :)

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Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I.

Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I.

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Cool and refreshing with a kick!

Cool and refreshing with a kick!

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