How can one respond to the scientific facts known in the Quran?

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Your age and location does have a huge influence on what you believe. That's why Egypt has a Muslim majority, and Germany has a Christian majority.

Are you telling me that not everyone in your family is a Muslim? That would be highly unlikely.

I do hope that one day when you're older you will realize that you were taught nonsense.
Oh the irony, what made you think I didn't become a Muslim because I converted, or because I saw the evidences, and get persuaded? And what makes you think that I am from a Muslim family? How did you know? I have you use your mind more better. Age won't help. You got this alone.
 
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Oh the irony, what made you think I didn't become a Muslim because I converted, or because I saw the evidences, and get persuaded? And what makes you think that I am from a Muslim family? How did you know? I have you use your mind more better. Age won't help. You got this alone.

It's statistically likely that you grew up in a Muslim community/household which Influenced your religious belief.

No shame in that, many people suffer the same fate. Hopefully you can escape it.

I wish you best of luck.
 
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TruthSeeker 321, Some people reading the Bible don't realize that the time of the return of Jesus and the end of the world as we have known it is in many ways dependent on how quickly humanity fills up the cup of indignation - in other words, how quickly we get so bad that it's worth it to end it all. In the Bible story Jonah was sent as a prophet to tell the Ninevah people that in 40 days Ninevah would be destroyed. But they repented, so God didn't destroy them - at least not in that time. History says they didn't stay repented but went back to their destructive ways. All of the nations that this God was angry with were doing horrible things to their culture, even burning their children to idols. God wanted them to stop living like that. To me this demonstrates the mercy of God, because what He wants is for people to repent and live holy and righteous lives. Over and over I see where God doesn't want us to exercise dominion over others. He gave each of us freedom, even if it means being free to disobey. But we all have consequences for our actions and would be lost if it weren't for the once-for-all sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus wasn't killed because he was weak but because he lay down his life for our errors, and he took his life up again after 3 days as he said. I don't recall any stories about clay birds in the witness accounts that I read, but I did read that history supports that those witnesses were willing to die for what they believed and wrote about. I thought Messiah meant "annointed one," and referenced other verses in the older parts of the Bible, spoken hundreds of years before, that God would send a special person who would be not only able to identify with the God-family but would make a way for us to be God's children as well. It's a big story to believe, for sure, but experiencing His love made a big change in my life and causes me to want to obey Him - not for fear of punishment but out of love for how much love He showed me. Do you have that kind of information in the Qu'ran?

I don't know for sure, but it appears that freedom is not a concept consistent with the story of the Qu'ran. And in explaining what I read in the Bible that is well supported in history, it is likely I deeply offend the story you have read in your book. For that I am very saddened. I don't think you will find followers of the real Jesus to be willing to hate you for having been raised with a different story, but would offer to tell you about God's love shown in the sacrifice of His Son. I have not been ordered to think a certain way in order to be spared eternal death. I have been lovingly offered a way of life in order to live, even if I die. I hope you find truth, dear friend.

I'm sure that if this was the case, then this wouldn't mean that a God doesn't his hour. You agreed with me that God is supposed to be all knowing. How does that apply with Jesus? God is supposed to be the most holy. How does that apply to Jesus? The Bible really contradicts that attributes of God. Jesus dying for our sins isn't really a persuading story. For someone who did nothing to die for other people's mistakes especially when that person is God really makes no sins. I'm sure that if the mafia kidnapped you, and said that they are willing to kill us because of someone's sin, you wouldn't hesitate to kill them the chance you get, let alone believe what they say. God doesn't actually need to let his own people humiliate him. He could punish who made sins, and reward who makes good. I can't believe that the most holy God would let people humiliate him, and kill him, and spit on his face. God loves those who deserve love. If God loved criminals, he wouldn't throw them in hell. My prophet lives every single Muslim, and this true love will be shown even in hell. God love's isn't about just about loving phrases, but they are more about actions, and acts.
 
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It's statistically likely that you grew up in a Muslim community/household which Influenced your religious belief.

No shame in that, many people suffer the same fate. Hopefully you can escape it.

I wish you best of luck.
May Allah guide you.
 
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But I need to know... doesn't anyone make CF-proof meters anymore?
They still make the old version, but the requirements have been steadily rising since 2016. I think there's a prototype in the works, but it will propably already be obsolete before it hits the market.
 
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After doing a bit of research, I've came with a plenty of obvious scientific facts mentioned in the Quran which was revealed 1400 years ago. I have been wondering how could one reject the Islamic faith with these ...
If what you claim is true, it does not validate the Islamic faith (or similar scientific claims from Christianity or other religions). From a Buddhist perspective, such information can come from powerful, far-seeing devas, but they are not omnipotent, omniscient, nor necessarily benevolent.
 
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They still make the old version, but the requirements have been steadily rising since 2016. I think there's a prototype in the works, but it will propably already be obsolete before it hits the market.
An irony fuse is required, or a circuit-breaker. Ironic really...
 
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An irony fuse is required, or a circuit-breaker. Ironic really...
Maybe the small square of plastic explosive behind the screen isn't integral for the design. I think it's meant to improve the Feng Shui.
 
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You admit that you saw fire twisters because of modern technology. You live in California where forests, house, and big buildings may be a great source of fire, but you have never seen a fire tornado in the action in your entire life.

Actually, I would suggest that you go back and reread what I wrote. I have personally seen a fire "twister" (whirl) in person, but not a larger scale "tornado" which is typically a larger scale event.

Fire whirl - Wikipedia
What it felt like inside the fire tornado that killed a California firefighter - CNN

The the first example is something I've seen in person, whereas the larger scale event is something I've only seen pictures of. I have no idea from that one passage which event he was referring to because the smaller scale "twister" is often (erroneously) called a tornado as well.

The problem is that you keep making possibilities without evidence;

:) I think you busted the irony meter again. :)

You say (someone may have seen them, and told him...), but from which country is that guy from? And why would he even tell him about it? And the witnessing of fire tornadoes can't be singular since that they form in burning forests and houses meaning that a great amount of people would see them. Now, wouldn't it be weird for those people to leave their place, and go to someone in the desert to tell him about such a thing instead of reporting the case?

Um, actually no, it wouldn't be weird at all if your house burned down and you had to move to a new location and happened to tell others what you saw.

Shouldn't the case although be know world wide?

It may have been for all I know. Nobody knew about "Baghdad batteries" for a thousand years, other than the guys who built them. The fact nobody wrote about them didn't mean they didn't exist.

Do you believe that people back then didn't report such incidents?

I'm sure they did report them *verbally*, but the literacy rates weren't real high back then, and not a lot of written records survive for over a thousand years. A great example of that is heliocentric beliefs. Aristarchus of Samos came up with the idea 1400 years before Copernicus, and wrote about it too, but we don't have a written record of it. That to me is a far more impressive feat, but I don't assume Aristarcus of Samos was necessarily "divinely inspired" either.

We really have some great historians, philosopher, and scientists. I'm sure they would have at least talked about them if they really happened. To assume that someone living in the desert was the only man to get talking about them is really absurd.

I think your reasoning is a bit skewed. They surely have been 'happening' throughout human history unless you think they're only a recent phenomenon. The fact we don't have a lot of written records about them is "par for the course" because we don't have a lot of ancient written records that survive today *period*.
 
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I'm sure that if this was the case, then this wouldn't mean that a God doesn't his hour. You agreed with me that God is supposed to be all knowing. How does that apply with Jesus? God is supposed to be the most holy. How does that apply to Jesus? The Bible really contradicts that attributes of God. Jesus dying for our sins isn't really a persuading story. For someone who did nothing to die for other people's mistakes especially when that person is God really makes no sins. I'm sure that if the mafia kidnapped you, and said that they are willing to kill us because of someone's sin, you wouldn't hesitate to kill them the chance you get, let alone believe what they say. God doesn't actually need to let his own people humiliate him. He could punish who made sins, and reward who makes good. I can't believe that the most holy God would let people humiliate him, and kill him, and spit on his face. God loves those who deserve love. If God loved criminals, he wouldn't throw them in hell. My prophet lives every single Muslim, and this true love will be shown even in hell. God love's isn't about just about loving phrases, but they are more about actions, and acts.[/QUO

I can certainly understand your comments, Truthseeker123, and I am glad for our ongoing comments. I'm not sure I agreed with your comments that God is all-knowing, but it's a fair assumption on your part to say that I did. I believe scriptures teach us that God certainly knows all that He desires to know, and that His wisdom is so far above us that we can't necessarily figure Him out. Certainly He is not like a man, but He made man in His image. That fact alone says a lot. For instance, there is a story that after God made man in the garden, He came back in the cool of the evening and asked, "Where are you?" The people had hid themselves because they had eaten from the tree He told them not to eat from. That story tells me that God made man with choice, placed before man the ability and freedom to exercise that choice and find out what happens. Man chose at that point NOT TO BELIEVE GOD (JHWH) and to eat. There was a consequence. Later in the story Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son Isaac and Abraham believed JHWH and went to do it, trusting that the Eternal was able to fulfill His promise even in obedience to death. There was last minute intervention and God did supply an offering. And that is what I see in Jesus, the Messiah, the Son of God, who according to the Bible will be the judge of all people in the end - with full agreement of the Eternal. He is our High Priest, the one who can understand what it is like to be human, who experienced all the humiliations of humanity - was betrayed, was lied about, was slandered, was beaten and tortured. And He rose from the dead after dying a death that was not for what He did wrong but for what I did wrong, at the hands of people who were angry that He was returning people to the freedom of obedience to God and not to their corrupted religious/legal system. In following Him, I agree to have that same mind to both allow other humans to continue to make their choices and have their earthly consequences as well as having to answer to that one righteous Judge in the final time. Let's not go into the discussion of whether I would shoot someone who broke into my house, but I won't be shooting them for statements of faith but for affecting the safety of my household.

That law that the Israelites were given points to the justice, mercy, and righteousness of JHWH. He apparently does not value brute strength and intimidation to get His way, although Sodom and Gomorrah demonstrate that He holds sufficient power to rule over us easily and annihilate us when it pleases Him. Still, for this time, He has given us choice and offered for us to walk in His love by loving others by acting fairly and righteously towards everyone. That righteousness isn't an act -it's behaving rightly whether anyone is looking or not, looking to what is right considering the value of all the people involved, not in having power over anyone. Bad people are still free to do bad things for the time being. Righteous people who are kind and caring still have bad things happen because that freedom is extended for the present time to all. My role is to share this good news that a person can turn to this loving Eternal God and their past errors can be forgiven them and they can now walk in His ways. It's very much centered on how we behave toward others, not in just what we say we believe. Since there is so much more than this life only, dying at the hands of a bad person is not a problem because there is a final resurrection and that will conquer that last enemy of death. There does seem to be a very different idea about what God is like between what I hear you say about Allah and what I say about JHWH, although we both seem to agree that there is a time coming in both our religious writings that talks about a day when the God will have His way. I am glad to continue this conversation to learn more and compare.
 
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I really wish if we could have a private conservation, but I can't at the moment as I am new member. Anyway, regrading of all what you have said, I can understand your beliefs, but I would like to ask you a question, and get an honest answer. Which description suites true God attributes? The Islamic one, or the Christian one? God in Islam is the most holy, all knowing, most powerful, beneficient, and so. In Christianity, God lacks being all knowing, and lacks being the most holy. In Christianity, there isn't much worshipping. In Islam, you can find all forms of worshipping. What to do when you do that sin, and how do you reach the highest paradise. There's a very detailed information about different forms of worshipping in Islam. In Christianity, Christians would just raise their hands and ask for paradise and forgiveness. In Islam, we also do, but we also do all different forms of worshipping. We wake up from our sleep, and pray until we are very tired. God wouldn't punish us if we didn't, but we want God to reward us with the best of paradises, and to forgive us, and to be satisfied with us. We work for paradise. We don't just raise our hands and repeat a certain number of phrases. Even crying in Islam makes God satisfied. We actually worship God in the true way he should be worshipped. In Islam, believing in God and his prophets is the head of the key, but your good deeds are the components of that key.

I leave you with a beautiful recitation of the Quran:
May Allah guide you to the true light.
 
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In Christianity, God lacks being all knowing, and lacks being the most holy.

Could you explain where you got that idea? I think you're confusing the concept of Christ in the flesh (as son) and what Christ refers to as "the Father". The 'Father' is all knowing and the most holy. Christ while in flesh is "fully human" including some human limitations, but it's a temporary condition.
 
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I really wish if we could have a private conservation, but I can't at the moment as I am new member. Anyway, regrading of all what you have said, I can understand your beliefs, but I would like to ask you a question, and get an honest answer. Which description suites true God attributes? The Islamic one, or the Christian one? God in Islam is the most holy, all knowing, most powerful, beneficient, and so. In Christianity, God lacks being all knowing, and lacks being the most holy. In Christianity, there isn't much worshipping. In Islam, you can find all forms of worshipping. What to do when you do that sin, and how do you reach the highest paradise. There's a very detailed information about different forms of worshipping in Islam. In Christianity, Christians would just raise their hands and ask for paradise and forgiveness. In Islam, we also do, but we also do all different forms of worshipping. We wake up from our sleep, and pray until we are very tired. God wouldn't punish us if we didn't, but we want God to reward us with the best of paradises, and to forgive us, and to be satisfied with us. We work for paradise. We don't just raise our hands and repeat a certain number of phrases. Even crying in Islam makes God satisfied. We actually worship God in the true way he should be worshipped. In Islam, believing in God and his prophets is the head of the key, but your good deeds are the components of that key.

I leave you with a beautiful recitation of the Quran:
May Allah guide you to the true light.

I think it has to do with how far this religion/relationship actually goes to the inward man, which might be in the definition of what is righteousness, Truthseeker. In the Bible, people were made by God to be kind to each other, not to have dominion over others. Consequences happen - there is no last minute excuses for those who have lived a life of destruction - that is, if you get your information from the Bible instead of from some or maybe most of the churches who have distorted the message significantly. Jesus told his followers not to set up a religion where they lorded it over others - the greatest among them was to serve the others, and the greatest love is to lay down our lives for each other. This points to a God-approved character trait or behavior of being concerned for each other over being concerned for our own interests. There is no sword in the hand of the good news at this time. There will be sword later for the destruction of those who hate JHWH, but it's not a random act. JHWH does know the end from the beginning but gives a lot of room for people to learn and repent. He gave much room for His people to repent. His love endures forever. And His rewards are not carnal - especially there are no rewards of sex-slaves at the end of this journey for the Christians.

I would think that you can more easily understand the call to obedience to this loving God JHWH better than many American Christians raised with the faulty idea that showing up in a building called a church is the total of our worship. It's useless, you are correct. The Bible teaches that true worship is doing what God says to do, and in particular, helping the vulnerable (widows, orphans) is mentioned. Comparing what the "average" Christian does in relation to the words of their book to what the "average" Muslim does in relation to their book is probably not useful. We know that many claim to have their religions but don't really DO ,what they are instructed. And certainly the act of bowing down when the heart isn't involved is a play-act, and God (whether we're discussing Allah or JHWH) would see through to the truth of the intent, which is the purpose of being all-knowing, correct?

My own father's hands were strong enough to end my life through all my vulnerable years, or to abuse me when I was less powerful to protect myself. Power alone can be an awful attribute. Let's say that my dad chose to nurture me, teach me, help me to be able to think for myself, to protect myself in most human settings as well as protect others, and to care about others so that I wanted to add good to this world. That was the use of power in his life to make my life and the lives of others more powerful. That's how JHWH is described. What if my dad had abused me and taught me to look out for only my own interests or perhaps for his own self-interests, what if he had prostituted me for his own gain and wrecked my life? I mean, what if I'm "only" a female, and in many cultures and religions I will never have a position of authority, so I'm rather useless to many. When the people of JHWH did this kind of thing, He got really mad at them. He had set up a system for His people to walk in that protected the interests of the children and the women while at the same time establishing the position of protector to the men and the leaders. Power is important, and how it is used is a concern for JHWH. We are called to be like Him.

So, if you were looking at what the intent that Allah wants to work out in the Muslim people, what would you think it is? Does Allah call you to be like Him, and if so, what does that look like for the obedient Muslim people?
 
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I really wish if we could have a private conservation, but I can't at the moment as I am new member. Anyway, regrading of all what you have said, I can understand your beliefs, but I would like to ask you a question, and get an honest answer. Which description suites true God attributes? The Islamic one, or the Christian one? God in Islam is the most holy, all knowing, most powerful, beneficient, and so. In Christianity, God lacks being all knowing, and lacks being the most holy. In Christianity, there isn't much worshipping. In Islam, you can find all forms of worshipping. What to do when you do that sin, and how do you reach the highest paradise. There's a very detailed information about different forms of worshipping in Islam. In Christianity, Christians would just raise their hands and ask for paradise and forgiveness. In Islam, we also do, but we also do all different forms of worshipping. We wake up from our sleep, and pray until we are very tired. God wouldn't punish us if we didn't, but we want God to reward us with the best of paradises, and to forgive us, and to be satisfied with us. We work for paradise. We don't just raise our hands and repeat a certain number of phrases. Even crying in Islam makes God satisfied. We actually worship God in the true way he should be worshipped. In Islam, believing in God and his prophets is the head of the key, but your good deeds are the components of that key.

I leave you with a beautiful recitation of the Quran:
May Allah guide you to the true light.
The difference between Christianity and Islam is that in Islam there’s no assured way of getting into paradise, you can only do so much and just hope to get into paradise. In Christianity we don’t earn our way to paradise, but our good deeds are a testimony to our faith in God and his Son Christ. In Christianity God is all knowing in his divinity and all holy. Where are the sources for your claims that Godis not holy or all knowing in Christianity? I can give you a long and near endless list of problems with Islam’s view of God. Also I’m willing to have a debate or conversation with you on anything regarding Christianity on these forums.
 
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Thanks for the respectful post. To begin with, the Messiah is an Arabic name for Jesus. Messiah is Jesus himself. In addition, Jesus did do miracles, but by the will of God. The Quran says:

"And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
(Quran 3:49)
Jesus even in the Bible didn't even when the hour is although God is supposed to be all knowing.

Mark 13:32
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
According to the Bible everything God has belongs to Christ, a testimony to his divinity:

All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

John 16:15

Also this argument that the Son doesn’t know the hour has long been responded do, it doesn’t mean or indicate he’s not divine:

Athanasius

“Let us examine what he said: ‘But of that day and the hour no one knows, neither the angels, nor the Son.’ After saying, ‘nor the Son,’ he relates to the disciples the things which will precede that day and says that this and that shall be and then the end. Now, he that speaks of what will precede that day also has full knowledge of that day which will follow upon the events foretold. And if he had not known the hour, he would not have signified the events preceding it, not knowing when that hour would be. He says in the Gospel, concerning himself in his human character, ‘Father, the hour has come, glorify your Son.’ Certainly, then, it is plain that as the Word he knows also the hour and the end of all things, although as man he is ignorant of it; for ignorance is proper to man, and especially in these matters. This, moreover, pertains to the Savior’s love of man; for, inasmuch as he was made man, he is not ashamed, because of the ignorant flesh, to say, ‘I do not know,’ so that he may demonstrate that, although as God he knows, according to the flesh he is ignorant. This, then, is why he did not say, ‘nor does the Son of God know,’ lest the Godhead appear to be ignorant; but simply, ‘nor the Son,’ so that the ignorance may be of the son as born of man” (Discourses Against the Arians 3:42-43 [inter A.D. 358362]).



Gregory of Nazianzus



“Their tenth objection is ignorance, the statement that the final day and hour is known to none, not even the Son, except the Father. But how is it possible that Wisdom should be ignorant of any of those things that are? How indeed could he know so accurately those things which are to precede that hour and which are to take place at the end, but be ignorant of the hour itself? This thing would be like a riddle, as if one were to say that he knows accurately everything that is in front of a wall, but does not know the wall itself; or that he knows well the end of the day but knows not the beginning of the night, whereas knowledge of the one necessarily brings with it knowledge of the other. If, then, we may proceed from the example of what is seen to what is known, is it not perfectly plain to everyone that he does know as God, but says that, as man, he knows not? (Fourth Theological Oration 30:15[A.D. 380]).



John Chrysostom



” ‘Of that day and that hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven nor the Son, except the Father.’ By the saying ‘neither the angels’ he stopped their mouths, lest they seek to learn what even the angels did not know; and by the saying, ‘nor the Son’ he forbids them not only to learn but even to inquire. He refers this knowledge to the Father both to make the matter more awesome and to preclude their inquiring about it. If this is not the reason, and he really is ignorant of the day and the hour, when will he come to know it? At the same time we do? … He says, ‘When you do not expect it, he will come,’ because he wants them to be anxiously waiting and constantly engaged in virtuous practice. What he means is something like this: ‘If the generality of men knew when they were to die, they would strive earnestly only at that hour’ ” (Homilies on the Gospel of Matthew 77:1 [A.D. 370]).



Jerome



“You ask why a just man would have been ignorant of something and would have done something contrary to his own will. To this the final answer can only be that no man, save him only who deigned to assume flesh for our salvation, can have full knowledge and a complete g.asp of the truth” (Letter to Damasus 36:15 [inter A.D. 382-384].



Jerome



“The apostle writes about the Savior: ‘In whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.’ All the treasures, therefore, of wisdom and knowledge are in Christ; but they are hidden. Why hidden? After the resurrection when he was asked by the apostles about the day, he gave a very plain reply; ‘It is not for you to know the times or moments upon which the Father, by his own authority, has decided.’ When he says, ‘It is not for you to know,’ he shows that he himself does know, but that it is not expedient for the apostles to know, so that, always uncertain of the coming of the judge, they may live daily as if they were to be judged perhaps on that very day” (Commentaries on the Gospel of Matthew 4:24:36 [A.D. 398]).



Jerome



“Of the Son it is said, ‘Of that day and hour no one knows, except the Father, not the angels in heaven and not the Son.’ If we receive baptism equally in the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, we must believe there is one name for Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which is God. If God is one, how can there be a diversity of knowledge in one divinity? What is greater, to be God or to know all things? If he is God, how does he not know? In the apostle we read about Christ: ‘In whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.’ See what he says, ‘all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.’ Not that some are and some are not: all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge; but they are hidden. So what is in him is not lacking to him, even though it be hidden from us. But if all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in Christ, we must ask why they are hidden. If we men were to know the day of judgment, which is the subject of the statement, and that the day of judgment is to come after two thousand years, knowing that it is so far in the future, we would only become more negligent. We would say, ‘What difference does it make to me if the day of judgment is to come after two thousand years?’ When it is said that the Son does not know the day of judgment, it is so stated for our sake, so we do not know when the day of judgment is to come. Finally, see what follows that statement: ‘Take care, watch and pray; for you do not know when that time will come'” (Homilies on the Gospel of Mark 10:13:32 [inter A.D. 410-420]).



Augustine



“When God is said not to know something, either it is said in reference to what he does not approve, that is, of something he does not acknowledge in discipline or in doctrines, as when it is said, ‘I do not know you,’ or in reference to that which it is useless to know and from which he draws an advantage for those who do not know. It is well accepted, therefore, that when it is said that the Father alone knows, it was so stated because it is he that makes the Son know, and when it is said that the Son does not know, it is so stated because he makes men not to know, that is, he does not avail them of a knowledge which it is useless for them to have” (Eighty-Three Diverse Questions 60 [inter A.D. 389-396]).



Cyril of Alexandria



” ‘But how,’ the heretics ask, ‘will the Son be like the Father in respect to essence, when he says that he knows not the day of the consummation of the age?’ It is easy to see that as God he does know both the day and the hour even if, referring to what is human in himself, he can say that he does not know. For if he clearly specifies all the things that are to happen before that day and hour and says, ‘this will be, and that will happen, and then the end,’ it is clear that if he knows the things that are to happen before that day, he knows also the day itself. For after the things predicted by him, he specifies that this is the end. What else, after all, would the end be, except the last day, which, he says, in view of his incarnation, he does not know, thus preserving again in his humanity the rank befitting it? For it is proper for humanity not to know the future” (Treasury of the Holy and Consubstantial Trinity 22 [inter A.D. 423-425]).



Fulgentius



“When we speak of the soul of Christ we speak of the rational spirit, to which not only did God come through grace, but which received the divinity itself in a unity of person. For the soul, with the Word, is one Christ; the soul, with the Word, is one, God the onlybegotten. And because God the onlybegotten is equal to the Father, and no one is able to know the whole Son who does not know the whole Father, let us beware lest, if the soul of Christ is not believed to know the whole Father, knowledge be denied to the one Christ himself of some part not only of the Father but even of himself and of the Holy Spirit. But it is extremely obtuse and utterly foreign to a healthy faith to say that the soul of Christ did not have full knowledge of his divinity, when with that soul it is believed that he had naturally one person” (Letter to Ferrandus 14:26 [post A.D. 512- ante A.D. 527]).



Gregory the Great



“Whence also this can be understood in a more subtle way, that the only-begotten, incarnate and made perfect man for us, did indeed in his human nature know the day and the hour of the judgment, but nevertheless did not know this from his human nature. What he knew in it he did not on that account know from it, because God-made-man knew the day and the hour of the judgment by the power of his Godhead” (Letter to Eulogius, Patriarch of Alexandria 10:21 [A.D. 600]).


Also here’s a video on the same subject in response to Ahmed Sabee’ by Dr. Ghaly:

 
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You people keep guessing, and making assumptions. You accused me of trying to make the Quran look scientific because of my fate although the scientific miracles aren't really the biggest proof. There're really more much, and these aren't the only scientific verses, but I wanted to give these verses a try, and see how people would respond.

By the way, my age and my location has nothing to do with my religion. If I were not a Muslim, I would have become a one. Sometimes a 16 years old may use his mind than most adults.
Same thing my mother always told me, even if I was not born Muslim I would have become one, the unfortunate truth is most Muslims take Islam as a tribal affiliation rather then as a religion, most Muslims only follow Islam because they were raised into it and because their family society practice it not because of its evidence. Themajority of Muslims won’t think beyond the Quran and what their told in mosques or what they’re only on their Friday sermons. I was born into a Muslim family, I’m about the same age as you are and decided to use my brain instead of listening to what the corrupt sheikhs had to say. By the way no one who actually uses his mind and thinks for himself can actually be a Muslim. By the way their are no scientific miracles in the Quran, there are only misinterpreted verses that you’ve turned into scientific miracles.
 
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