What day is the sabath what day does the bible say?

klutedavid said:

The high priest works on the Sabbath.

Jesus being God is not subject to the laws of men, so Jesus worked through every Sabbath.

The disciples were also above the law as they gathered grain on the Sabbath.

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Yeshua is subject to the Laws of God, out of curtesy also subjects Himself to customs that do not void His laws and does good. These are all within the perimeters of obedience to the Laws of God.

Original Happy Camper said:

So you are saying that there was no law prior to Sinai?

If that be the case then there was no sin prior to Sinai.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

But we know there was sin prior to Sinai.

Genesis 13:13
But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.

The question to you Dave is what laws did the folks prior to Sinai violate to be sinners?

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The same ones that God loves Abraham for following, which He called "His". Since God is unchanging, we can know that His laws are as eternal as He is.
Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Isaiah 24:5
The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

What do you think is in the Ark of Covenant in Heaven?

Revelation 11:19 'And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple THE ARK OF HIS TESTAMENT: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.'

What law is in Heaven is on earth and all for its in habitants too. God governs with one law for everyone. He will always instruct His people on it from the beginning to the end of all time.

Exodus 12:49 ...'ONE LAW shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.' ..

Isaiah 66:22-23 ...'For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall ALL flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.'

Ecclesiastes 12:13 ...'Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.'

There is a blessing in obedience.

Revelation 14:12 ...'Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.'

Revelation 22:14 ...'Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life.'

Malachi 3:6
For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

From the moment I saw this thread I knew it would blow up.

Glorytothefather2245 said:

But Jesus never told us to change the sabbath. If the road to heaven is narrow it could not be what everyone else is doing.

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Wait. Are you saying because Sunday keeping is more prevalent (i.e the broad road) than Saturday (i.e narrow road) that's further evidence that you shouldn't worship on Sunday?

Christ is Lord said:

Wait. Are you saying because Sunday keeping is more prevalent (i.e the broad road) than Saturday (i.e narrow road) that's further evidence that you shouldn't worship on Sunday?

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It is all about worship

Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Sun worship (man Made)
or
Creature Sabbath worship (God made)

Neogaia777 said:

"Heaven and earth will disappear/pass away, but my words will never disappear/pass away." (Matthew 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33)

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)



God is His words, and His words are Him... Words are the substance of all things in that realm or reality, etc... They define everything and are everything there, etc... Including us when we go there, etc...

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The Word became flesh and made His dwellingb among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Sonc from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:14

Not His Words but His Word is God. That Word became flesh and dwelt among us. That is Jesus. Just as our words flow from us so to the Word, Jesus, flows from the Father, from all eternity. Only THIS Word is God, not any words He says and definitely not His creation.

I wrote this a while back, see if it makes any sense to you at all, K...?

You exist in heaven or the mind of God as a thought or idea or a word... or thought or concept or idea defined by a word... And that thought or idea or whatever is wrapped up in a word... There is a word that defines you and is your dwelling place in heaven or in the heavens, etc... Whenever a new one of these is created (word/thought or whatever) or is "conceived" it is "given birth to" etc (or is created, because it is given birth to, etc) because it creates a new or other reality which is your home, which is each of ours "dwelling place" or home in heaven etc...

Thought is the vehicle by which we travel (through those other realities etc), but we never forsake who we are or our proper dwelling place or home, (or our own reality) when we're moving or traveling around, etc...

We just leave it for awhile then come back to it, but it/that dies not affect or effect us by changing who we are just because we do, etc...

We are certain words and they are us, all wrapped up in the one who is "The Word" or is the origin or the beginning of all words, etc (or thoughts, concepts or ideas, etc)...

God Bless!

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I am sorry, but this is pantheism. We are separate from God. We are not God.

True, all are created by the word of His power. We are the result of His words. Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God. He eternally flows from God as His Word, and He is God. We are the result of His words, but we are not His words. There is only one Word - Jesus Christ. We are only His creatures.

Christ is Lord said:

Wait. Are you saying because Sunday keeping is more prevalent (i.e the broad road) than Saturday (i.e narrow road) that's further evidence that you shouldn't worship on Sunday?

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I imagine that is the implication of the post you answered. Sabbatarianism leads to all kinds of illogical reasoning.

Original Happy Camper said:

Sun worship (man Made)
or
Creature Sabbath worship (God made)

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The day that in English is called Sunday is not called by that name in every language. It is not a day reserved for worshipping the sun. The truth is that no Christian worships the sun. So the implication in the quote above is wrong on every count.

But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. - Titus 3:9

We are not supposed to be arguing this stuff as it is unprofitable and vain. Paul’s desire was to keep this simple....

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. - 1 Corinthians 2:1-2

The plan of salvation is simple...

iIf thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. - Romans 10:9

To complicate matters is satanic....

I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. - 2 Corinthians 11:3

We are not justified by the law of Moses

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. - Acts 13:38-39

But in faith through Jesus Christ-

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. - Galatians 2:16

7th day, which would correspond to Saturday.

GingerBeer said:

The day that in English is called Sunday is not called by that name in every language. It is not a day reserved for worshipping the sun. The truth is that no Christian worships the sun. So the implication in the quote above is wrong on every count.

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Knowing the history of where the day got its name and why helps.

Christ is Lord said:

Wait. Are you saying because Sunday keeping is more prevalent (i.e the broad road) than Saturday (i.e narrow road) that's further evidence that you shouldn't worship on Sunday?

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I'm not necessarily trying to say that if you worship on Sunday that your not on the narrow path. But that the true sabbath is on Saturday that's the day Jesus and the apostles used back in the day. I'm a seventh day Adventist we believe in the coming of Sunday law which would end up being the mark of the beast if it happens. Because the Roman Catholics church changed the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday to accomodates and fit in with their pagan religions. So worshipping the beast in these last days would include Sunday worship when Sunday law comes into place.

Glorytothefather2245 said:

I'm not necessarily trying to say that if you worship on Sunday that your not on the narrow path. But that the true sabbath is on Saturday that's the day Jesus and the apostles used back in the day. I'm a seventh day Adventist we believe in the coming of Sunday law which would end up being the mark of the beast if it happens. Because the Roman Catholics church changed the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday to accomodates and fit in with their pagan religions. So worshipping the beast in these last days would include Sunday worship when Sunday law comes into place.

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Fair enough. However, the Roman Catholic Church didn't change the day of worship to Sunday to accommodate or make it easier for pagans to convert to Christianity. Some Christians began keeping Sunday as early as the second-century A.D (100s AD), what you're alluding to is Constantine which is 200 years later.

Christ is Lord said:

Fair enough. However, the Roman Catholic Church didn't change the say of worship to Sunday to accommodate or make it easier for pagans to convert to Christianity. Some Christians began keeping Sunday as early as the second-century A.D (100s AD), what you're alluding to is Constantine which is 200 years later.

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I am posting part of what I said in another thread because I believe it should be noted:

There is early evidence that at least some Christians started meeting for cooperate worship on Sunday because of the Resurrection. One of the main sources that proves this is a letter by Ignatius the bishop of Antioch who died by the second-century AD. Based on that evidence we cannot say that ALL Christians kept Saturday nor can we say that ALL Christians kept Sunday or both.

In Ignatius's letter to the Magnesians he states in the 9th chapter

1 If then they who walked in ancient customs came to a new hope, no longer living for the Sabbath, but for the Lord’s Day, on which also our life sprang up through him and his death,—though some deny him,—and by this mystery we received faith, and for this reason also we suffer, that we may be found disciples of Jesus Christ our only teacher; 2 if these things be so, how then shall we be able to live without him of whom even the prophets were disciples in the Spirit and to whom they looked forward as their teacher? And for this reason he whom they waited for in righteousness, when he came raised them from the dead.

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Then notice what he says in the next chapter

1 Let us then not be insensible to his goodness, for if he should imitate us in our actions we are lost. For this cause let us be his disciples, and let us learn to lead Christian lives. For whoever is called by any name other than this is not of God. 2 Put aside then the evil leaven, which has grown old and sour, and turn to the new leaven, which is Jesus Christ. Be salted in him, that none among you may be corrupted, since by your savour you shall be tested. 3 It is monstrous to talk of Jesus Christ and to practise Judaism. For Christianity did not base its faith on Judaism, but Judaism on Christianity, and every tongue believing on God was brought together in it.

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Finally, Justin Martyr who died by the second-century AD states in his first apology

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability,2 and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows, and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds, and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

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There is further evidence such as the Didache and regardless if you accept the late date (second-century) or the early date (first-century) for when it was written this is before any Pope changed the day of worship to Sunday.

EDIT: This should be not used as a reason for Sunday keeping, I am simply stating historical fact.

Works cited:

Clement I, P., Ignatius, S., Bishop of Antioch, Polycarp, S., Bishop of Smyrna, & Lake, K. (1912–1913). The Apostolic fathers. (K. Lake, Ed.) (Vol. 1, pp. 205–207). Cambridge MA; London: Harvard University Press.

Justin Martyr. (1885). The First Apology of Justin. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (Vol. 1, pp. 185–186). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

visionary said:

Knowing the history of where the day got its name and why helps.

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Helps with what exactly? (genuinely curious).

There ought to be a law, similar to Godwin's Law, that states "The longer a religious conversation/debate goes, the chances of someone blaming Constantine goes up exponentially." Call it "Contantine's Law", maybe.....

James Murphy said:

There ought to be a law, similar to Godwin's Law, that states "The longer a religious conversation/debate goes, the chances of someone blaming Constantine goes up exponentially." Call it "Contantine's Law", maybe.....

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Well said. It’s either blame Constantine or the Catholic Church.

Christ is Lord said:

Well said. It’s either blame Constantine or the Catholic Church.

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You just quoted....

And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration. - Justin Martyr (100-165 AD) ANF01. The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Justin Martyr was well before the establishment of the Catholic Church and the reign of the emperor Constantine

Christ is Lord said:

Helps with what exactly? (genuinely curious).

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If they know the history of how Sunday got its name, then the statement that it is not about sun worship resolves itself.