Moral Law of God written on heart vs Ceremonial law ended at the cross

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From what I have been seeing all along, the ultimate goal behind the scripture twisting and deceptive doctrines of the SDA church is to promote salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works"

Simply coming to this forum to falsely accuse Seventh-day adventists in factless rant after rant is not the purpose of this forum ... you knew that right?
 
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I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

which explains their absolute obsession with the 10 commandments under the Mosaic law

Choose to have a serious conversation please
 
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1 Corinthians 7:19-20
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God. Each man must remain in that condition in which he was called.

A. the very thing you oppose
B. points out the distinction between the moral law of God as found in the Commandments of God vs the ceremonial law. Obviously.

So then "still a sin" to take God's name in vain ...even in the NT.

Somehow you completely missed the point Paul was making. That happens because your only reading half the text as usual, your seeing what you want to see, and not what is written.

If you reject Christ's commandment you are rejecting His words.
 
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I told you before if you accept the new testament canon you must accept the early church letters. As the new testament canon is drawn from these historical Christian letters.

Tradition of men.

I told you before - if you reject the Bible as the Word of God - you end up with a lot of bad doctrine.

If you imagine that ECFs created the NT text of scripture, as if scripture is "drawn from ECF writings" - then you serve to illustrate my point rather than refute it.
 
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Paul points out that circumcision is a good example of it -- in 1 Cor 7:19 and in that text he says the "commandments of God" are by contrast to it.

1 Cor 7:19
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

And we note with interest Paul's statement in Eph 6:1-2 where he reminds us that the fifth commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valld set of TEN commandments. A point that D.L. Moody and the Baptist Confession of Faith also affirm.

Where in the scripture is any law described as ceremonial?

Whether or not you value scripture as the "Word of God" -- you should at least read the post- you respond to.

Even the Baptist Confession of Faith section 19 "notices" 1 Cor 7:19

Still no answer in regards to the slightest mention of ceremonial law in the scripture.

Let's assume that circumcision is a ceremonial law

ahhh.. so then you are willing to entertain "the obvious"... nice to see that.

Still no answer in regards to the slightest mention of ceremonial law in the scripture.
Let's assume that circumcision is a ceremonial law .

Are you not reading your own posts??
 
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Simply coming to this forum to falsely accuse Seventh-day adventists in factless rant after rant is not the purpose of this forum ... you knew that right?
Falsely accuse? Yeah right. It's painfully obvious what your purpose on this forum is. :rolleyes: You are not fooling me or any of my brothers and sisters in Christ on this forum.
 
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Falsely accuse? Yeah right. It's painfully obvious what your purpose on this forum is. :rolleyes: You are not fooling me or any of my brothers and sisters in Christ on this forum.

aside from villifying those that you post to -- did you have a "fact"?? an actual contribution??

Are you on this SDA forum to just make stuff up?? If so.. there is a fix for that - where we let a third party (non SDA) evaluate what you are doing.

otherwise post something serious.

Think about it from a selfish POV if nothing else - it is in your own best interest to post a fact, a compelling statement rather than simply "illustrating the point" of what some here would say about shallow sda-bashing posts.
 
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2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

Fact. That is not merely ceremonial.

Since the entire old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made obsolete the old covenant to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:13). The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10).

Fact. Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 13:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3
 
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3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12

none of those texts say "do not take God's name in vain" -- try quoting them instead

By contrast there are several quotes in the NT from the actual Sabbath commandment.

No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
 
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To slander or blaspheme the name of the Lord is to take His name in vain.

I think you claimed you found the command "do not take God's name in vain" in the NT when you said this

Danthemailman said:
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12

1 Tim 6:1 does not refer to taking anything at all 'in vain' in fact there is no reference at all in the NT to "taking anyone's name in vain". The point remains that it is the only commandment of the TEN not actually quoted from in the NT ... period.

But in Isaiah 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"

In Hebrews 4 "there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God"
not "there REMAINS therefore a command to not take God's name in vain for the people of God"

No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians written on the heart under the NEW Covenant.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

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And "EVERY Sabbath" both Jews and Gentiles gather on Sabbath to hear more Gospel preaching in Acts 18:4

You are not fooling me or any of my brothers and sisters in Christ on this forum.
 
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4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17

Not a statement found anywhere in the NT - much less in Col 2

No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians written on the heart under the NEW Covenant.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
 
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Col 2 is not about deleting scripture -- rather it is opposing "making stuff up"

as we saw here --

proof for Col 2 -- condemning the traditions and doctrines of man - and upholding the Word of God --

Col 2 is opposed to making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with you, even if that invented rule is related to a Bible command.

But Col 2 is not an attempt by Paul to delete the scriptures. Rather Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".

Acts 15:1-2 the historic context of some folks 'making stuff up' and saying that one cannot be saved unless they comply with the made-up rules. In Col 2:14-15 Paul points out that salvation is through Christ who paid the debt of sin owed. Then Paul goes after all the various forms of making-stuff-up showing how it is condemned.

Col 2:
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflatedwithout cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.


Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)

Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)

============= Christ Himself condemned Bible-denying traditions of man

GOD speaks for God and HE already spoke to this point of changing His Law via church tradition. As we see in Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium of the one-true nation church of Christ day - started by God at Sinai -- is hammered "sola scriptura" in the case where it is shown via "Sola Scriptura" testing that it is traditions and "doctrines of men" that are at odds with scripture

================= Accuser of the Brethren condemned

In Rev 12 we see the work of the "Accuser of the brethren".

In Matt 7 (pre-cross -- and law in full effect) Christ condemns judging others.

In Col 2:16 we have this -

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


An example of NOT condemning eating OR drinking or remembering God's Ten-Commandment creation-Sabbath day to keep it holy. Rather Col 2 condemns the "commandments of men" - (as is so carefully avoided in the quotes we often see from Col 2)


Col 2 is opposed to making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with a made-up rule, even if that invented rule is based on "turning" a Bible command. - so this chapter is opposed to 'making stuff up' - via "man-made tradition"

so then -- just the COL2 quote from the above..

Col 2:
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflatedwithout cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.


Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)

Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)

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No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians written on the heart under the NEW Covenant.
 
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I think you claimed you found the command "do not take God's name in vain" in the NT when you said this

1 Tim 6:1 does not refer to taking anything at all 'in vain' in fact there is no reference at all in the NT to "taking anyone's name in vain". The point remains that it is the only commandment of the TEN not actually quoted from in the NT ... period.
Once again, to slander or blaspheme the name of the Lord is to take His name in vain. Period. Why are you so obsessed with seeking salvation based on the merits of obeying the 10 commandments from the Old Testament (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment) when ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23) Do you believe that you will be justified by the law? (Galatians 3:10)

But in Isaiah 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"
*Why did you not quote the entire verse? You obviously have an agenda. Isaiah 66:23 - "And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD .

I hear SDA's quote this verse a lot to teach that keeping the sabbath day is binding on Christians in the new earth for all eternity, yet if Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Sabbath day from the Old Testament in the new earth, then it also teaches we will keep the New Moon festival as well. "And it shall be from New Moon to New Moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me, says the Lord” - Isaiah 66:23. *Let's be consistent. ;)

So SDA's would also have the New Moon festival observances in the new earth based on the above text. If you insist on Sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, you also need to observe New Moons as well. Yet from what I hear, most Sabbatarian’s don’t observe new moons. hmm.. That’s inconsistent.
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Are New Moons and Sabbath keeping a requirement for Christians based on the New Covenant terms? NO.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. :oldthumbsup:

Will there be Levital Priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Jewish Sabbath in the new heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it is also mentioned. What happened to the Levitical Priesthood under the New Covenant terms? Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. *The Old and New Covenants do not mix.*

In Hebrews 4 "there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God"
Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that SDA's would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary proves the Sabbatarian argument wrong:

KATAPAUSIS (2663), in classical Greek, denotes a causing to cease or putting to rest; in the N.T., rest, repose; it is used (a) of God's rest, Acts 7:49; Heb. 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3 (twice), R.V. (1st part), "that rest" (the A.V., "rest," is ambiguous), 5, 11; (b) in a general statement, applicable to God and man, 4:10.

SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

not "there REMAINS therefore a command to not take God's name in vain for the people of God"
Slandering or blaspheming the name of the Lord is taking His name in vain. That is common sense, at least for those of us who do not have an agenda.

No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians written on the heart under the NEW Covenant.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
According to doctrines of men, but not according to the Word of God. Why are you so obsessed with the 10 commandments from the Old Testament (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandant?) Do you actually believe that you have sufficiently obeyed the 10 commandments and will receive eternal life based on the merits of your performance?

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And "EVERY Sabbath" both Jews and Gentiles gather on Sabbath to hear more Gospel preaching in Acts 18:4
This is taking place in "a synagogue of the Jews" where the gathering took place to hear Paul preach, which does not prove Christians are obligated to keep the sabbath. The purpose of Paul’s visit was to reason out of the scriptures concerning Jesus Christ. Adventists sweep aside Paul’s purpose for visiting the synagogue, and bring the Sabbath to center stage because it serves their purposes. Paul explicitly states in Colossians 2:16-17 that Sabbath was a shadow and Christ is the substance. He explicitly states in Romans 14 that Christians are free to observe special days, and Christians are free to treat very single day the same. Paul says explicitly in Galatians 4 that saying a person is required by God to keep special days and times and so forth, puts a person back into the slavery he was set free from. If that's where you want to be, then so be it, but count me out.
You are not fooling me or any of my brothers and sisters in Christ on this forum.
Back at you.
 
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Not a statement found anywhere in the NT - much less in Col 2

No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians written on the heart under the NEW Covenant.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
Paul was crystal clear in Colossians 2:16 - Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

If you insist on twisting the scriptures in order to accommodate your agenda and use fallible writings of men to back up your argument, then so be it, but count me out. You are yet to make the complete transition from the old covenant into the new covenant.
 
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Col 2 is not about deleting scripture -- rather it is opposing "making stuff up"

as we saw here --

proof for Col 2 -- condemning the traditions and doctrines of man - and upholding the Word of God --

Col 2 is opposed to making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with you, even if that invented rule is related to a Bible command.

But Col 2 is not an attempt by Paul to delete the scriptures. Rather Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".

Acts 15:1-2 the historic context of some folks 'making stuff up' and saying that one cannot be saved unless they comply with the made-up rules. In Col 2:14-15 Paul points out that salvation is through Christ who paid the debt of sin owed. Then Paul goes after all the various forms of making-stuff-up showing how it is condemned.

Col 2:
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflatedwithout cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.


Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)

Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)

============= Christ Himself condemned Bible-denying traditions of man

GOD speaks for God and HE already spoke to this point of changing His Law via church tradition. As we see in Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium of the one-true nation church of Christ day - started by God at Sinai -- is hammered "sola scriptura" in the case where it is shown via "Sola Scriptura" testing that it is traditions and "doctrines of men" that are at odds with scripture

================= Accuser of the Brethren condemned

In Rev 12 we see the work of the "Accuser of the brethren".

In Matt 7 (pre-cross -- and law in full effect) Christ condemns judging others.

In Col 2:16 we have this -

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


An example of NOT condemning eating OR drinking or remembering God's Ten-Commandment creation-Sabbath day to keep it holy. Rather Col 2 condemns the "commandments of men" - (as is so carefully avoided in the quotes we often see from Col 2)


Col 2 is opposed to making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with a made-up rule, even if that invented rule is based on "turning" a Bible command. - so this chapter is opposed to 'making stuff up' - via "man-made tradition"

so then -- just the COL2 quote from the above..

Col 2:
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflatedwithout cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.


Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)

Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)

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No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians written on the heart under the NEW Covenant.

Paul was crystal clear in Colossians 2:16 -

Agreed.

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

That was not condemning food, or drink or the Lev 23 shadow Sabbaths -- the annual holy days. It was condemning 'making stuff up' and "judging others" just as Christ did in Matthew 7 before the cross.

The same rule held before the cross as afterwards.

Bible details matter... as it turns out
the point remains.
 
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You are yet to make the complete transition from the old covenant into the new covenant.

New Covenant where the "LAW is written on the heart and mind" Jer 31:31-34 ... unchanged in the NT Hebrews 8:6-11

No wonder Paul can say "do we make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31.

I am going with the bible on this one. Perhaps that means we part company everyone has free will you can choose as you wish.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
Eph 6:2 where "the FIRST commandment with a promise is the 5th commandment"

Your traditions may indeed be something you are most comfortable with so you are welcomed to them.. I choose the scriptures as I keep posting them to demonstrate what the Word of God says on the topic.
 
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But in Isaiah 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"

*Why did you not quote the entire verse? You obviously have an agenda. Isaiah 66:23 - "And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD .

The text shows two cycles for worship in the NEW Earth not just one. Which makes the point irrefutable that it is not a claim to 'daily' but rather to two distinct cycles for worship for all eternity in the New Earth -.... after the cross.

And at that time there will have been TWO creation events... one in Genesis 1 and another in Rev 21 to be held in memorial.

And your point?

I hear SDA's quote this verse a lot to teach that keeping the sabbath day is binding on Christians in the new earth for all eternity,

How nice that you have been informed on that point
 
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And "EVERY Sabbath" both Jews and Gentiles gather on Sabbath to hear more Gospel preaching in Acts 18:4

This is taking place in "a synagogue of the Jews" where the gathering took place to hear Paul preach,

"Every Sabbath" for BOTH Jews AND Gentiles according to Acts 18

Which is missing the much-imagined "but then they started gathering on week day 1 for more gospel preaching instead of meeting every Sabbath in the synagogue for that Gospel preaching".

Was I simply "not supposed to notice"???

Paul explicitly states in Colossians 2:16-17 that Sabbath was a shadow

Not one text in the entire New Testament says "the Sabbath was a shadow" ... you would have quoted such at text by now if you had one.

He explicitly states in Romans 14 that Christians are free to observe special days, and Christians are free to treat very single day the same.

On the contrary - in Romans 14 "one man observes one day above another while another man observes every day.. he who observes the day observes it for the Lord".

He is speaking of the Bible approved annual holy days of Lev 23.

By contrast in Gal 4 Paul condemns the observance of even ONE pagan day.

Lev 23 annual holy days were shadows (predictions) of the Messiah. But Paul is not condemning anyone who observes them in Rom 14 he is flat out condemning anyone who would oppose the observance of them.

Rom 14
5 One person regards one day above another, another observes every day . Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt?

Paul himself observed Passover regarded as the first day of unleavened bread: Acts 20:6
He was known this way among Christian Jews:

Acts 21: 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law.


By contrast in Gal 4 it is not Bible holy days - but pagan holy days being condemned where even the observance of one - was to risk salvation itself.

Gal 4
8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.
 
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