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Christ our God also went to the Temple with sacrifices, followed kashrut, abstained from wearing mixed fabrics. In fact He kept Torah perfectly.

Following Christ does not mean pretending to be a Jew when one isn't. Pretending is not only offensive to the Jewish people, but it is offensive to Christ, Himself a Jew. As a Gentile I have no intention on pretending to be something I'm not.

-CryptoLutheran

While it is good to correctly understand whom the Law was given to, it is not good to focus on that so much that you lose sight of whom it was given by. The Bible often uses the same terms to describe the character of God as it does to describe the character of God's Law, which is because it is God's instructions for how to express His character traits, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12). God's ways are His character traits and there are many verses that describe the Mosaic Law as being instructions for how to walk in God's ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, and many others, so the Law was not given as instructions for how to live as a Jew, but as instructions to God's followers to teach us about who He is and how to express His character traits.

The theme has always been to the Jew first and then to the Gentile, so Jews were given the Law in order to be equipped to be a light and a blessing to the nations through teaching them to repent from their sins and how to walk in God's ways (Isaiah 2:2-3, Matthew 5:13-16). In Deuteronomy 4:5-8, the intended reaction of the nations seeing Israel's obedience to the Mosaic Law was to marvel at how great and wise God is, so again our obedience to the Law is about acting as a light to the nations through testifying about who God is, which means that the Law has always been intended to be use as a tool to evangelize the nations. There is not much sense in a Gentile wanting to enter into a relationship with the God of Israel while wanting nothing to do with following the instructions that He gave to teach us about who He is.

Christ is the exact imprint of God's nature, so he express the divine character traits/fruits of the Spirit through His actions and that that looked like was complete obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is what it will look like when we are in Christ and meeting our obligation to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). Following Christ is not just for Jews, but for Gentiles too, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), so following Christ is not about pretending to be a Jew. The way to follow Christ is not through refusing to follow the Law that he followed and spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey by word and by example.
 
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It does not matter now or anymore on whatever day you choose to worship, as long as it is "at least one day a week" that you can, etc...

"The day of rest and worship was made for man, (and not God either), and not man for the day of rest and worship"...

"It is for freedom that Christ set us free", from having to very strictly adhere to this certain day, or that certain day, etc, in this case, etc...

Doing so takes you back to the law of Moses, and takes you out of the law and will of Christ, unless it is truly from the heart, etc...

Christ wants it "from the heart" always, and anything otherwise, is going back to the law of Moses, and putting yourself back under bondage to the law or the "written in stone" and not "flexible" at all moral or traditional laws of Moses, or "letter of the law" or very strict and extremely binding rules or codes (and not freeing at all), (and does not ever set anyone free, etc) (but puts them back in bondage, etc)...

Anyway, because that is exactly what Jesus came to set us free from, (the very strict and extremely binding written down in stone rules and laws of Moses, etc)... They were made for and until Jesus came, and after that, they were fulfilled and completed in Him, and are no longer for the true believer in Christ, etc...

Be very wary of people that try to take you back to that, like Jesus and the Apostles said... For it says they are "apostates", and have apostatized, etc...

Just like He said about people not worshiping "on this mountain or that mountain", (specific place, etc), that also applies to "this day or that certain day" also, (or certain days and/or times, etc)...

Jesus wants it from the heart, (spirit and truth) and if it's not, I really have my doubts that He even wants it or accepts it or not, if it's not, etc... And that is of primary importance...

Now can it be from the heart if you do? Yes, it can, but it can also very very and much all too easily take you back to the law of Moses and it not being from the heart anymore also too, etc...

Then you'll start judging others for it, etc, start thinking you better than them because of it, etc, because "you worship on this certain day and they do not", etc, etc, etc, so on and so forth...

Pick (at least) one day of the week once a week that works for you, and that is convenient for you, and works for you, and let this be at least one day a week for you, etc, and again, because, "man was not made for the day of rest and worship (nor was it made for God) but the day of rest and worship was made for man", etc...

God Bless!

Jesus wants us to obey from the heart, and in spirit and in truth, and all else is disobedience...

That would include the "day" etc...

God Bless!
I am also of the belief that your day of rest and worship does not even have to be or mean even going to or sitting in or belonging to this or that particular church, or being in this or that particular building or whatever, on the "day" or whatever, only that you should congregate with fellow believers on that day...

It is for freedom that Christ set us free...

God Bless!
 
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It does not matter now or anymore on whatever day you choose to worship, as long as it is "at least one day a week" that you can, etc...

"The day of rest and worship was made for man, (and not God either), and not man for the day of rest and worship"...

"It is for freedom that Christ set us free", from having to very strictly adhere to this certain day, or that certain day, etc, in this case, etc...

Doing so takes you back to the law of Moses, and takes you out of the law and will of Christ, unless it is truly from the heart, etc...

Christ wants it "from the heart" always, and anything otherwise, is going back to the law of Moses, and putting yourself back under bondage to the law or the "written in stone" and not "flexible" at all moral or traditional laws of Moses, or "letter of the law" or very strict and extremely binding rules or codes (and not freeing at all), (and does not ever set anyone free, etc) (but puts them back in bondage, etc)...

Anyway, because that is exactly what Jesus came to set us free from, (the very strict and extremely binding written down in stone rules and laws of Moses, etc)... They were made for and until Jesus came, and after that, they were fulfilled and completed in Him, and are no longer for the true believer in Christ, etc...

Be very wary of people that try to take you back to that, like Jesus and the Apostles said... For it says they are "apostates", and have apostatized, etc...

Just like He said about people not worshiping "on this mountain or that mountain", (specific place, etc), that also applies to "this day or that certain day" also, (or certain days and/or times, etc)...

Jesus wants it from the heart, (spirit and truth) and if it's not, I really have my doubts that He even wants it or accepts it or not, if it's not, etc... And that is of primary importance...

Now can it be from the heart if you do? Yes, it can, but it can also very very and much all too easily take you back to the law of Moses and it not being from the heart anymore also too, etc...

Then you'll start judging others for it, etc, start thinking you better than them because of it, etc, because "you worship on this certain day and they do not", etc, etc, etc, so on and so forth...

Pick (at least) one day of the week once a week that works for you, and that is convenient for you, and works for you, and let this be at least one day a week for you, etc, and again, because, "man was not made for the day of rest and worship (nor was it made for God) but the day of rest and worship was made for man", etc...

God Bless!
Why do people think God changed His laws? Those laws are eternal. God is not going to change the day He set aside. Remember three angels of Revelation SCREAMED at the top of their lungs to "worship Him who created Heaven and Earth"

Exodus's certificate of authority come at the Sabbath Law. Deuteronomy's certificate of authority also comes within the Sabbath Law. Interesting thing is the in Exodus He is the Creator, in Deuteronomy He is the Redeemer. So whether you worship Him as your Creator or Redeemer it is still the same day.
 
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Where is that in the Bible?

This is what it says:

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."
Exodus 20: 8 - 11

Notice that our Lord tied the Sabbath to the creation, not to many event involving only Israel. So since we all benefited from God's act of creation, it seems to me that the obligation to honor the Sabbath is universal.

Do not misunderstand me. I am not a Seventh-Day Adventist, although to me the Seventh-Day Adventist are right, if you base all your beliefs on the Bible alone. There is no command in the New Testament that nullifies this command in the Old Testament. Now, tradition does nullify this command. And we Catholics look at that tradition. But if you believe that we Catholics nullify the Word of God by the traditions of men, then I cannot see how how you can justify the nullifying of Exodus 20: 8 - 11.

I applaud you for your honesty. This is actually the real catholic position on this issue. Here are some statements to back up what you said.

"For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible." — Catholic Virginian, October 3, 1947, p. 9, article "To Tell You the Truth."

"From this we may understand how great is the authority of the church in interpreting or explaining to us the commandments of God - an authority which is acknowledged by the universal practice of the whole Christian world, even of those sects which profess to take the holy Scriptures as their sole rule of faith, since they observe as the day of rest not the seventh day of the week demanded by the Bible, but the first day. Which we know is to be kept holy, only from the tradition and teaching of the Catholic church." — Henry Gibson, Catechism Made Easy, #2, 9th edition, vol. 1, p. 341-342.

"Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." — Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

"It was the Catholic church which...has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church." — Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213.
 
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It doesn't matter really. Pick a day, any day, call it "Rest Day" and then you have a sabbath. Sabbath means rest, so any day will do.

If you get drawn into one of those religions that demands that you keep a specific day each week, Saturday for example, as a holy day you'll be committing to a practise than no one ever managed to keep. The Law - ten commandments and others things too - was never able to make anyone just before God so if you try to get right with God by keeping a day you'll fail.

Don't let anyone convince you to keep days and feasts as a way to be 'religious' because keeping days and refraining from certain foods is worthless. It never cleans anyone's guilt away, never makes one holy, never earns the favour of God. It's a way to feel guilty and unworthy whenever you slip, buy something on sabbath, or eat the wrong food, or forget momentarily that you need to keep the day or food or whatever holy.

The command to keep the commandments is in the Ten Commandments. Within this same Ten Commandments, there is the commandment not to make a "graven image". And yet we Catholics are condemned by many Protestants for having graven images. Why is one commandment not important and another is?
 
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Why do people think God changed His laws? Those laws are eternal. God is not going to change the day He set aside. Remember three angels of Revelation SCREAMED at the top of their lungs to "worship Him who created Heaven and Earth"

Exodus's certificate of authority come at the Sabbath Law. Deuteronomy's certificate of authority also comes within the Sabbath Law. Interesting thing is the in Exodus He is the Creator, in Deuteronomy He is the Redeemer. So whether you worship Him as your Creator or Redeemer it is still the same day.
The Spirit of a law is different than the letter of it, and we are to worship Him, and obey Him, "in Spirit and in truth" under the NC...

And "from the heart", and all else is actually disobedience, etc...

And that's what you/the "letter of the law" people are not seeing...

That you have actually apostatized and fallen away...

It's so sad...

God Bless!
 
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This is the most rediculous thing I ever seen here. The New Testament is not about the Old Creation? What is the Old Creation my friend?
If you do not understand what I wrote then you may not be fluent in the New Testament.

The old creation is governed by the Old Testament, the old covenant. The New Testament concerns the new creation in Christ, and the new covenant.

Old Testament means old covenant.

New Testament means new covenant.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Hebrews 8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Galatians 6:15
For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

Hebrews 9:1
Now even the first covenant had regulations of divine worship and the earthly sanctuary.

The regulations of divine worship above are different in the New Testament. The Sabbath day is redundant as the law is redundant. The old covenant, the ten words, are obsolete under the new covenant. The new covenant is a covenant written in blood, whereas the old covenant was written in words.
 
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Jesus wants us to obey from the heart, and in spirit and in truth, and all else is disobedience...

That would include the "day" etc...

God Bless!
The real difference is the law was external, written on rock, and a national law system to boot. The law delivered a death blow to lawbreakers and the punishment was delivered by society.

While the new covenant is by Grace and is internal, personal, written on our hearts. We do not judge others and we pray for our enemies.
 
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Just because we are all part of the same body doesnt mean we have the same purpose.

To be like minded... but different purposes......a hand may not agree with the foot... but IF they had minds... they would both be like minded in doing what is good for the body.

We... as parts of the body... DO have minds and we are to be like minded in what we do... we do to the good of the body.... it does not mean we must share one mind literally and agree on every detail... but we are of like mind when our concern is for the body and our minds are on His kingdom.

Protestants do not even agree on the important stuff, not just the details. They cannot even agree how one is saved! Are we saved by accepting Jesus as Savior and Lord (John MacArthur)? Or are we saved by asking Jesus to be our Savior alone (Charles Ryrie)? Can we lose our salvation (Free-Will Baptists, Assemblies of God, Methodists)? Or can we never lose our salvation (Reformed, most Baptists)? Is one born-again by praying a prayer (Baptists, Assemblies of God)? Or is one born-again by water baptism (Lutherans)?

Each one uses the Bible to support their position.
 
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The real difference is the law was external, written on rock, and a national law system to boot. The law delivered a death blow to lawbreakers and the punishment was delivered by society.

While the new covenant is by Grace and is internal, personal, written on our hearts. We do not judge others and we pray for our enemies.
And it is to be done in Spirit and in Truth, which can be different from the letter, but/and is superior to the letter, etc...

Thanks,

God Bless!
 
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The New Testament says that the outward observance of the Sabbath has now been abolished, and that Jesus has become our Sabbath, and so we rest in Him.


If the outward observance has been abolished then why do many Protestants concern themselves with us having images in our churches? Is not the important thing be that we rest in Him?
 
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If you do not understand what I wrote then you may not be fluent in the New Testament.

The old creation is governed by the Old Testament, the old covenant. The New Testament concerns the new creation in Christ, and the new covenant.

Old Testament means old covenant.

New Testament means new covenant.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Hebrews 8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Galatians 6:15
For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

Hebrews 9:1
Now even the first covenant had regulations of divine worship and the earthly sanctuary.

The regulations of divine worship above are different in the New Testament. The Sabbath day is redundant as the law is redundant. The old covenant, the ten words, are obsolete under the new covenant. The new covenant is a covenant written in blood, whereas the old covenant was written in words.

Lots I could say about that but you didnt answer my question. What is the old creation? You said it is governed by the Old covenant, but what is it?
 
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The real difference is the law was external, written on rock, and a national law system to boot. The law delivered a death blow to lawbreakers and the punishment was delivered by society.

While the new covenant is by Grace and is internal, personal, written on our hearts. We do not judge others and we pray for our enemies.

So can you explain these verse.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
 
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Protestants do not even agree on the important stuff, not just the details.
What about the rest of the Christian world, Christians are not just protestants or Catholics.
They cannot even agree how one is saved!
That is because they apply what is called an interpretation to the scripture. A method of reading the scripture and placing emphasis on specific verses or ideas mentioned in the scripture. So any verse may not be read at it's face value as it may mean something else within an interpretation.

For example, there are two baptisms mentioned in the New Testament, a baptism in water (John the Baptist) and a baptism of fire that Jesus instituted.

Luke 3:16
John answered and said to them all, “As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Many churches will be a tad quiet about this revolution in the baptism procedure introduced by Jesus. In other words, don't rock the boat.

The power of the interpretation will directly affect the doctrines of your church.
Are we saved by accepting Jesus as Savior and Lord (John MacArthur)? Or are we saved by asking Jesus to be our Savior alone (Charles Ryrie)? Can we lose our salvation (Free-Will Baptists, Assemblies of God, Methodists)? Or can we never lose our salvation (Reformed, most Baptists)? Is one born-again by praying a prayer (Baptists, Assemblies of God)? Or is one born-again by water baptism (Lutherans)?

Each one uses the Bible to support their position.
They use interpretations of the scripture to support their doctrines, what they believe to be the truth.

If they simply read the scripture, then the truth is plainly visible. When you interpret the scripture, then you can have a thousand churches and all with variations in doctrine.
 
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The real difference is the law was external, written on rock, and a national law system to boot. The law delivered a death blow to lawbreakers and the punishment was delivered by society.

While the new covenant is by Grace and is internal, personal, written on our hearts. We do not judge others and we pray for our enemies.

Yes, we should concern ourselves with what is internal. So why are Catholics condemned by some Protestant on the external of Catholicism such as graven images, praying the Rosary, praying to Mary, etc? I, as a Catholic, would never condemn someone for not participating in these externals. The Catholic Church has never taught that it is a sin NOT to do these externals. They are mere aides to bring us closer to Christ. If you choose not to use these aide then that is OK. You have not sinned if you do not choose to do them. But many Protestants accuse us of sinning for doing these externals. It matters not whether our relationship with Christ is personal, written on our hearts.

Would you agree that others should not judge us Catholics for the externals of Catholicism?
 
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Yes, we should concern ourselves with what is internal. So why are Catholics condemned by some Protestant on the external of Catholicism such as graven images, praying the Rosary, praying to Mary, etc? I, as a Catholic, would never condemn someone for not participating in these externals. The Catholic Church has never taught that it is a sin to do these externals. They are mere aides to bring us closer to Christ. If you choose not to use these aide then that is OK. You have not sinned if you do not choose to do them. But many Protestants accuse us of sinning for doing these externals. It matters not whether our relationship with Christ is personal, written on our hearts.

Would you agree that others should not judge us Catholics for the externals of Catholicism?
I'd say let YHWH rebuke you...

God Bless!
 
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Please show any verse in the Old Testament that mentions, 'the Lord's day'.

Your quoting from the Hebrew Old Testament, Genesis was written by Jews at a time when they were under the law. So one would expect the law to be riddled through Genesis and that is exactly what we see.

Of course, God creates in six days and rests on the seventh day. What would you expect from the Jews under the law, describing the creation event. God needed to rest did He?

Sunday is a celebration of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, we break bread to remember Jesus and to fellowship. The seventh day is a day of rest from six days of labor.

You are deeply confused about Christianity.
I'm not confused I'm a seventh day Adventist!
 
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Yes, we should concern ourselves with what is internal. So why are Catholics condemned by some Protestant on the external of Catholicism such as graven images, praying the Rosary, praying to Mary, etc? I, as a Catholic, would never condemn someone for not participating in these externals. The Catholic Church has never taught that it is a sin to do these externals. They are mere aides to bring us closer to Christ. If you choose not to use these aide then that is OK. You have not sinned if you do not choose to do them. But many Protestants accuse us of sinning for doing these externals. It matters not whether our relationship with Christ is personal, written on our hearts.

Would you agree that others should not judge us Catholics for the externals of Catholicism?
To your guys credit, there have been very many very, very good Catholics, but there is good and bad in every people group, but to your guys credit there have been and still are many good Catholics still, and that I believe are, and still will be saved still, etc...

To your guys credit, etc...

But good and bad in every people group, etc...

God Bless!
 
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So can you explain these verse.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Looks very much like an interpretation of the scripture, the emphasis is placed on selected verses. Thank you for supporting my earlier claim regarding examples of interpretation.

Such a simple question to answer.

Romans 5:5
And hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

God did not write the written law on our hearts.
 
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If the outward observance has been abolished then why do many Protestants concern themselves with us having images in our churches? Is not the important thing be that we rest in Him?
I give up. Why do you think they do?
 
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