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No Ten Commandments before sinai

Come on Dave I have already proved that wrong previously. Why do you continue to keep saying that when you know it is wrong? I mean just read Exodus 16, that is just one...
 
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Amazing that the only law in the Ten Commandments that contains the "seal' of God is the sabbath commandment and it is the most controversial. We all can agree that lying stealing killing and committing adultery is against the laws. But not the one that God specifically ask "Remember".. When God mentions His "rest" it is always in context of the 7th day Sabbath, Friday night to Saturday night. From Genesis, just as soon as He was finished creation week, He "rested". In the commandments, He asked that His followers do the same and "rest" from their work.

Shabbat Shalom Vis!
 
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The New Testament is about the new creation not the old creation.

Grace, forgiveness, reconciliation came through Jesus Christ, condemnation came from Moses and the law.

yes, grace, forgiveness, reconciliation...when you break the law.
 
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I think I see what you mean (?):

The Sabbath day is yearly; the New Moon is to determine the New Month, but the days are continuous - so the seven-day-counting is continuous until the next spring equinox.

It can't be, the lunar phases would not be in sync and also when you have the new moon (Rosh Chodesh) it would not overlap into the next new month, it would have to start a new pattern.
Shabbat Shalom Kaon :)
 
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Well, someone here is on the ball and you are correct. The Hebrew calendar was a lunar calendar ...

God’s calendar is luni-solar, which matches with Genesis 1:14. God appointed both the sun and moon “for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.”

His holy days on specific days of the month, while at the same time, during [appointed seasons] in the year (Leviticus 23:4).

The Hebrew calendar has a 19-year time cycle made up of 12 common years (with 12 months) and 7 leap years (with 13 months).

The Bible, calendar and week are all part of the oracles committed to the Jews for all mankind.

-Astronomy observence

"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle of the week."—James Robertson, Director American Ephemeris, Navy Department, U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C., March 12, 1932.

"The human race never lost the septenary [seven day] sequence of week days and that the Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, though the ages, without a single lapse."—Dr. Totten, professor of astronomy at Yale University.

"Seven has been the ancient and honored number among the nations of the earth. They have measured their time by weeks from the beginning. The origin of this was the Sabbath of God, as Moses has given the reasons for it in his writings."—Dr. Lyman Coleman.

"By calculating the eclipses, it can be proven that no time has been lost and the creation days were seven, divided into 24 hours each."—Dr. Hinkley, The Watchman, July 1926 [Hinkley was a well-known astronomer].

"It can be said with assurance that not a day has been lost since Creation, and all the calendar changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in the weekly cycle."—Dr. Frank Jeffries, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and Research Director of the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England.
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There is no question about which day
the seventh day of the week is.

The weekly cycle has not changed.
A contenious cycle of 7 days.

shall “think to change times and laws.”
Daniel 7:24-25 Lam 2:17, Rev 13-17
(2 Cor 11:14-15) (Revelation 12:9)

Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Soon man, the whole world will return
to the way God made it. Isaiah 66:23
 
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God’s calendar is luni-solar, which matches with Genesis 1:14. God appointed both the sun and moon “for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.”

His holy days on specific days of the month, while at the same time, during [appointed seasons] in the year (Leviticus 23:4).

The Hebrew calendar has a 19-year time cycle made up of 12 common years (with 12 months) and 7 leap years (with 13 months).

The Bible, calendar and week are all part of the oracles committed to the Jews for all mankind.

-Astronomy observence

"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle of the week."—James Robertson, Director American Ephemeris, Navy Department, U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C., March 12, 1932.

"The human race never lost the septenary [seven day] sequence of week days and that the Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, though the ages, without a single lapse."—Dr. Totten, professor of astronomy at Yale University.

"Seven has been the ancient and honored number among the nations of the earth. They have measured their time by weeks from the beginning. The origin of this was the Sabbath of God, as Moses has given the reasons for it in his writings."—Dr. Lyman Coleman.

"By calculating the eclipses, it can be proven that no time has been lost and the creation days were seven, divided into 24 hours each."—Dr. Hinkley, The Watchman, July 1926 [Hinkley was a well-known astronomer].

"It can be said with assurance that not a day has been lost since Creation, and all the calendar changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in the weekly cycle."—Dr. Frank Jeffries, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and Research Director of the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England.
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There is no question about which day
the seventh day of the week is.

The weekly cycle has not changed.
A contenious cycle of 7 days.

shall “think to change times and laws.”
Daniel 7:24-25 Lam 2:17, Rev 13-17
(2 Cor 11:14-15) (Revelation 12:9)

Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Soon man, the whole world will return
to the way God made it. Isaiah 66:23
What was the Hebrew calendar?

What was the Julian calendar?

Why was the Gregorian calendar introduced?
 
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What was the Hebrew calendar?
A way to tell time, given by God. The
calendar was Part of the Oracles of God.

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of [the oracles of God]; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12
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If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God]; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:

that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11

But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone,but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
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What was the Julian calendar?
A pagan roman calendar,
that Jesus Christ did not follow.

Why was the Gregorian calendar introduced?
To hide the true meaning of the Sabbath day, and ditch Gods Holy days, to implement there own time, and force there holidays worldwide.
 
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And the church worshipped on Sunday from that time until the SDA came along. Regarding the commandment,

History lesson for you,

History of the Seventh-day Adventist Church - Wikipedia

The Seventh-day Adventist Church had its roots in the Millerite movement of the 1830s to the 1840s, during the period of the Second Great Awakening, and was officially founded in 1863.

History

Seventh Day Baptists date their origin with the mid-17th century separatist movement in England. The first separate church of record was the Mill Yard church founded about 1650 in London.

Were Waldensians Sabbath-keepers? | Adventist World

One of the primary sources of evidence of Waldensian Sabbathkeeping during the first half of the thirteenth century comes from a collection of five books written against the Cathars and Waldensians about 1241-1244 by Dominican inquisitor Father Moneta of Cremona in northern Italy.

Moneta’s treatise clearly shows that a sizable group of Waldensians and Cathars in northern Italy and southern France during the thirteenth century were worshipping on a day other than Sunday, namely, the seventh-day Sabbath.
 
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God’s calendar is luni-solar, which matches with Genesis 1:14. God appointed both the sun and moon “for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.”
Can you explain to me what luni-solar or lunisolar means?

I call the Hebrew calendar a lunar calendar.

There seems to be some difference in opinion on whether the Hebrew calendar was a lunar or lunisolar calendar.
 
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Can you explain to me what luni-solar or lunisolar means?

I call the Hebrew calendar a lunar calendar.

There seems to be some difference in opinion on whether the Hebrew calendar was a lunar or lunisolar calendar.

the Hebrew calendar which combines the lunar months and solar years to be completely synchronized—enabling God’s people to observe His holy days (as determined by the moon) in their proper seasons (as determined by the sun).

Genesis 1:14. God appointed both the sun and moon “for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.”
 
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It does not matter now or anymore on whatever day you choose to worship, as long as it is "at least one day a week" that you can, etc...

"The day of rest and worship was made for man, (and not God either), and not man for the day of rest and worship"...

"It is for freedom that Christ set us free", from having to very strictly adhere to this certain day, or that certain day, etc, in this case, etc...

Doing so takes you back to the law of Moses, and takes you out of the law and will of Christ, unless it is truly from the heart, etc...

Christ wants it "from the heart" always, and anything otherwise, is going back to the law of Moses, and putting yourself back under bondage to the law or the "written in stone" and not "flexible" at all moral or traditional laws of Moses, or "letter of the law" or very strict and extremely binding rules or codes (and not freeing at all), (and does not ever set anyone free, etc) (but puts them back in bondage, etc)...

Anyway, because that is exactly what Jesus came to set us free from, (the very strict and extremely binding written down in stone rules and laws of Moses, etc)... They were made for and until Jesus came, and after that, they were fulfilled and completed in Him, and are no longer for the true believer in Christ, etc...

Be very wary of people that try to take you back to that, like Jesus and the Apostles said... For it says they are "apostates", and have apostatized, etc...

Just like He said about people not worshiping "on this mountain or that mountain", (specific place, etc), that also applies to "this day or that certain day" also, (or certain days and/or times, etc)...

Jesus wants it from the heart, (spirit and truth) and if it's not, I really have my doubts that He even wants it or accepts it or not, if it's not, etc... And that is of primary importance...

Now can it be from the heart if you do? Yes, it can, but it can also very very and much all too easily take you back to the law of Moses and it not being from the heart anymore also too, etc...

Then you'll start judging others for it, etc, start thinking you better than them because of it, etc, because "you worship on this certain day and they do not", etc, etc, etc, so on and so forth...

Pick (at least) one day of the week once a week that works for you, and that is convenient for you, and works for you, and let this be at least one day a week for you, etc, and again, because, "man was not made for the day of rest and worship (nor was it made for God) but the day of rest and worship was made for man", etc...

God Bless!
 
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No, he didn't. Moses wrote that, according to tradition. The more likely case is that some Israelite priest gathered together stuff and wrote it. Possibly about the time that "the book of the law" was suddenly - conveniently - discovered in the temple.

None of the laws came from Moses, but rather it is called the Mosaic Law because of the role of the mediator where he communicated God's commands to the Israelites. In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded him without departing from it.


That is what the story in Exodus says but the story does not say that Christians are to keep Saturday. There's no especially good reason to think that Saturday has anything whatever to do with the day that the Israelites are said to have received a double portion. That might have been on a Friday, or a Tuesday for all anyone knows. Sabbatarians like to pretend that the cycle of days is uninterrupted from creation to today yet even the scriptures tell of Joshua's long day which would displace days by some number of hours amounting to a significant part of a day if not a whole day. And there is no good evidence that the weekly cycle is the same today as it was when the Law was found in the temple. It is building one's doctrine on sand.

Jesus kept the Sabbath holy, which confirms that it was on the correct day.

Go ahead and obey the law if you like and if feeling guilty for failing to keep it is a comfort then by all means feel guilty too, realising that it will do no good objectively speaking.

The truth is that it just does not matter if you keep Saturday rather than Sunday, except that Sunday is the day when the vast majority of Christians meet to pray and worship so if you decide against meeting on that day you'll need to seek out one of the small sabbatarian groups to meet with. What advantage is there in doing that? If Saturday keeping doesn't do a thing to justify and plays no role in salvation and failing to do so doesn't make Yahweh angry at you or risk his displeasure then it is just so much religious superstition that is fundamentally worthless.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, it says that the Law is not too difficult to obey. Grace is the power of God to overcome sin, so in Christ we have every reason to have faith that we can obey the Law. The consistent message of the prophets all throughout the Bible up to and including Jesus was to repent from our sins and to return to obedience to God's Law, so you'd think that would be something God wants His people to do. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome, and in Deuteronomy 6:24 and 10:12-13, it says that the Law was given for our own good, so if you don't have faith in God to guide you and if you don't love God, then you should still obey His Law if for no other reason than that it was given for our own good.

While we are not saved by obeying God's Law as through it were something that we need to earn, it is also true that we are not saved while refusing to obey God's Law. In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, which is essentially what God's Law was given to instruct how to do. Our salvation is from sin and sin is defined as the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4), so being trained by grace to live in obedience to God's Law is what being saved from living in disobedience to God's Law looks like.

The truth of the matter is the God commanded His followers to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy and if it it didn't matter to Him what we did, then God would not have given His people that command.

Titus 2:11-14 does not mention keeping the Law; not even keeping the ten commandments. To live a godly life is to live following the example of Jesus. To help the needy, to feed the starving, to house the homeless, to do the things that Jesus praises in Matthew 25:31-46.

God's Law is His instructions for how to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and for how to renounce doing what is ungodly, and it is how the Israelites knew how to express those eternal character traits of God, so while it is true that it doesn't directly mention God's Law, it is nevertheless what Paul was describing. In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His Law, so that is also how God is gracious to us. Jesus set a perfect example for us to follow of how to live in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so if you agree that we should follow his example, then you agree that we should follow the Law, and helping the needy, feeding the starving, and housing the homeless are certainly all part of what that looks like.
 
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A way to tell time, given by God. The
calendar was Part of the Oracles of God.

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of [the oracles of God]; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12
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If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God]; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:

that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11

But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone,but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
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A pagan roman calendar,
that Jesus Christ did not follow.


To hide the true meaning of the Sabbath day, and ditch Gods Holy days, to implement there own time, and force there holidays worldwide.
So you understand the difference in these three calendars, the Hebrew, the Julian, and the Gregorian calendar.

Dates for holidays on the Jewish calendar are expressed in the Torah as "day x of month y." Accordingly, the beginning of month y needs to be determined before the proper date of the holiday on day x can be fixed. Months in the Jewish calendar are lunar, and originally were proclaimed by the blowing of a shofar. (wikipedia.jewish.holidays)

Jewish months are based on the new lunar event each month. That is why the Jewish religious days occur on the same day every year. When a papal calendar or Gregorian calendar is consulted, any holy day cannot be on the exact same day every year. The papal calendar is like shifting sand, a holy day moves around from one day to the next day every year.
 
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the Hebrew calendar which combines the lunar months and solar years to be completely synchronized—enabling God’s people to observe His holy days (as determined by the moon) in their proper seasons (as determined by the sun).

Genesis 1:14. God appointed both the sun and moon “for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.”
A lunar month is different to a solar month.

They have a different number of days in the month.

A lunar month begins when the new moon has been observed. The first week begins when the new moon has been observed. The day count of the month begins at the new moon.

Whereas a solar month has a continuous cycle of weeks throughout the solar year.

A holy day in ancient Israel occurred on the same day, in the same month, every year.

On a Gregorian calendar a holy day never occurs on the same day, in the same month, every year.
 
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All of this focus on the sabbath robs from this message...

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. - 1 Corinthians 2:1-2

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. - Colossians 2

Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. - 1 Corinthians 16:1-2

This is about all the Apostle Paul said of the Sabbath Day. He did not condemn it or support it. The meeting of the church began on Sunday (known as the Lord's day) and has continued on that day ever since.

Paul was referring to the Lunar Sabbaths which were tied to ordinances as mentioned in verse 14. The Sabbath was not a shadow as it was created in a perfect world with no sin and not tied to sin at all. All the ordinances and sacrifices that were commanded in the law of Moses all were a temporary part of the plan of salvation until Jesus sacrificed himself. Hebrews 10:1 and 2 tells you that.
 
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The New Testament is about the new creation not the old creation.

The new creation is all about believers in Jesus Christ not about believers in Moses.

Grace, forgiveness, reconciliation came through Jesus Christ, condemnation came from Moses and the law.

How many people died when the law was introduced?

How many people died when grace was introduced?
This is the most rediculous thing I ever seen here. The New Testament is not about the Old Creation? What is the Old Creation my friend?
 
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the sabbath day (saturday) is for jewish folks. the Lord's day (sunday) is for Christians.

Where is that in the Bible?

This is what it says:

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."
Exodus 20: 8 - 11

Notice that our Lord tied the Sabbath to the creation, not to many event involving only Israel. So since we all benefited from God's act of creation, it seems to me that the obligation to honor the Sabbath is universal.

Do not misunderstand me. I am not a Seventh-Day Adventist, although to me the Seventh-Day Adventist are right, if you base all your beliefs on the Bible alone. There is no command in the New Testament that nullifies this command in the Old Testament. Now, tradition does nullify this command. And we Catholics look at that tradition. But if you believe that we Catholics nullify the Word of God by the traditions of men, then I cannot see how how you can justify the nullifying of Exodus 20: 8 - 11.
 
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