Christianity (In a Nutshell)?

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If I'm somehow w/o 'sin', but do not believe in the existence of a resurrected Jesus, it is not possible to enter heaven.

If I commit 'sin', but believe in a resurrected Jesus, it is still possible to enter heaven.


1. Hence, do the concepts of 'sin' even matter at all?

2. Also, is earnest lack in belief itself considered an 'immoral' action to God? Isn't unbelief instead an amoral action/event/cognitive construct/other --- regardless of what we subjectively define as moral/immoral (or) sin/no sin?


And last, seems as though, at least from the Christian perspective anyways, that the lack in belief of Jesus deems an eternal separation from God... To instead dwell in a possible eternal place of 'discomfort'. What if the 'soul' wishes to repent, in a manor which might please God after human death? The human's fate seems sealed at human death ---> 'forever'.

3. Is this how God's 'justice' works?
 

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If I'm somehow w/o 'sin', but do not believe in the existence of a resurrected Jesus, it is not possible to enter heaven.

If I commit 'sin', but believe in a resurrected Jesus, it is still possible to enter heaven.


1. Hence, do the concepts of 'sin' even matter at all?

2. Also, is earnest lack in belief itself considered an 'immoral' action to God? Isn't unbelief instead an amoral action/event/cognitive construct/other --- regardless of what we subjectively define as moral/immoral (or) sin/no sin?


And last, seems as though, at least from the Christian perspective anyways, that the lack in belief of Jesus deems an eternal separation from God... To instead dwell in a possible eternal place of 'discomfort'. What if the 'soul' wishes to repent, in a manor which might please God after human death? The human's fate seems sealed at human death ---> 'forever'.

3. Is this how God's 'justice' works?

"If I'm somehow w/o 'sin', but do not believe in the existence of a resurrected Jesus, it is not possible to enter heaven.

"If I commit 'sin', but believe in a resurrected Jesus, it is still possible to enter heaven."


You'll want to check that theory against the succinct and clear words of 1rst John chapters 1 and 2 (through at least verse 2:11). You'll discover it is not Christian in the sense of aligned to what scripture says, though God isn't unfair so that He would condemn a generally following Christ believer that only had some minor slips and then died before confessing, we also can see.

So, to get an accurate summary on those aspects, it would be:

No one is without sin, but nevertheless, hypothetically someone that was without major sin and doing right generally could indeed make it into heaven even without ever hearing the gospel Paul shows us in Romans chapter 2, verses 6-16. Catch is, it's a very high standard that few or none could meet on their own, without aid of some kind. Perhaps a very few could. But see, God, existing, aids many who have not yet heard the gospel....

For the 2nd part, what is Christian, see 1rst John chapters 1-2 (through at least verse 2:11), if one already knows much of the gospels (which would be required background).
 
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  1. We all sin because we are born into sin. It is like being born covered in gasoline.
  2. God loves us and wants to be close, but it is like He is made of fire and even a loving hug from Him would destroy us.
  3. In order to safely do #2, God had to devise a plan to remove said "gasoline" before we came into His concentrated Presence. That is where Jesus comes in...
 
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"If I'm somehow w/o 'sin', but do not believe in the existence of a resurrected Jesus, it is not possible to enter heaven.

"If I commit 'sin', but believe in a resurrected Jesus, it is still possible to enter heaven."


You'll want to check that theory against the succinct and clear words of 1rst John chapters 1 and 2. You'll discover it is not Christian in the sense of aligned to what scripture says, though God isn't unfair so that He would condemn a generally following Christ believer that only had some minor slips and then died before confessing, we also can see.

So, to get an accurate summary on those aspects, it would be:

No one is without sin, but nevertheless, hypothetically someone that was without major sin and doing right generally could indeed make it into heaven even without ever hearing the gospel Paul shows us in Romans chapter 2, verses 6-16. Catch is, it's a very high standard that few or none could meet on their own, without aid of some kind. Perhaps a very few could. But see, God, existing, aids many who have not yet heard the gospel....

For the 2nd part, what is Christian, see 1rst John chapters 1-2, if one already knows much of the gospels (which would be required background).

I know I should have slightly clarified my OP :) Let's assume the person was already presented with the concept of Christianity. Meaning, they are aware of the claim. The concept is then quite simple...

Does 'sin' even really matter either way? I'll answer preemptively.

The answer is no. 'We are saved by grace.'

Thus, Christianity, in a nutshell, deems 'morals' unnecessary.

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The second part, is in regards to the 'God approved' path to heaven; which seems to instead involve an amoral action or action. Belief/unbelief is neither moral or immoral, is it?
 
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1. Hence, do the concepts of 'sin' even matter at all?
2. Also, is earnest lack in belief itself considered an 'immoral' action to God? Isn't unbelief instead an amoral action/event/cognitive construct/other --- regardless of what we subjectively define as moral/immoral (or) sin/no sin?

And last, seems as though, at least from the Christian perspective anyways, that the lack in belief of Jesus deems an eternal separation from God...
1. Why would the concepts of 'sin' matter to someone ? If so, to whom would they matter, if they matter ?
2. Unbelief? Some are already condemned because of their unbelief. (as written in the NT somewhere)

3. Is this how God's 'justice' works?
How ?

(not man's way at all)
 
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  1. We all sin because we are born into sin. It is like being born covered in gasoline.
This further justifies my OP. 'Sin' is irrelevant. The number of sins, or lack-there-of, is not what gets one to heaven. Belief does. Is lack in belief to a claim a sin, according to God?

  1. In order to safely do #2, God had to devise a plan to remove said "gasoline" before we came into His concentrated Presence. That is where Jesus comes in...

Please see above
 
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This further justifies my OP. 'Sin' is irrelevant. The number of sins, or lack-there-of, is not what gets one to heaven. Belief does. Is lack in belief to a claim a sin, according to God?
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if someone believes in Jesus and follows Him, they repent of their sin so they may be forgiven.

Already today many are condemned on earth before they die, due to their unbelief.
 
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if someone believes in Jesus and follows Him, they repent of their sin so they may be forgiven.

Already today many are condemned on earth before they die, due to their unbelief.

It was a (yes or no) question. I'll ask again, for clarity:

Is lack in belief to a claim a sin, according to God?
 
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It was a (yes or no) question. I'll ask again, for clarity:

Is lack in belief to a claim a sin, according to God?

Yes or no does not save anyone.

Your question is not specific enough to answer. ("to a claim" - What claim? )
 
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This further justifies my OP. 'Sin' is irrelevant. The number of sins, or lack-there-of, is not what gets one to heaven. Belief does.
You cannot "think" yourself free from sin. That requires repentance, surrender & obedience to Jesus (via the Holy Spirit). After you become Born-Again, it is still necessary to repent from time-to-time in order to keep moving forward.

(And people can bail anywhere along that process, if they really really want to.)

God loves you just the way you are, but He loves you too much to leave you that way.
Is lack in belief to a claim a sin, according to God?
Lack of belief keeps you from getting washed in the aforementioned manner. Further, lack of belief after He has washed you impedes your ability to move forward in Him.
 
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I know I should have slightly clarified my OP :) Let's assume the person was already presented with the concept of Christianity. Meaning, they are aware of the claim. The concept is then quite simple...

Does 'sin' even really matter either way? I'll answer preemptively.

The answer is no. 'We are saved by grace.'

Thus, Christianity, in a nutshell, deems 'morals' unnecessary.

************

The second part, is in regards to the 'God approved' path to heaven; which seems to instead involve an amoral action or action. Belief/unbelief is neither moral or immoral, is it?

That's what will get corrected by reading the short and clear 1rst John chapter 1 through verse 2:11. I'll copy it over.

Read carefully when you begin verses 8 onward, and notice the "If" statements -- those are conditional statements.... It's conditional. If a person doesn't meet the condition, they do not get the outcome. If -- then. Not otherwise. Don't assume you know the rest, but take care to note such verses as 2:4. These aren't optional things. Of course, these same teachings show up in other words in many other places in the New Testament.


1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our joy complete.

5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.

4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.

5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

7 Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 8 Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.

9 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister b is still in the darkness. 10 Anyone who loves their brother and sister c lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. 11 But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.
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1 John 2 NIV
 
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Yes or no does not save anyone.

Your question is not specific enough to answer. ("to a claim" - What claim? )

I gave you plenty of information. You seem not wanting to answer the actual questions posed to you. You instead spin stuff around, and mix in sermons.

The claim is that Christianity is true. The claim is that Jesus rose from the dead. The claim is that Jesus died to save humans.

And now I say, 'I'm not convince'. Hence, I don't believe this to be the case, because I do no see sufficient evidence to support this claim/assertion.

I then ask you again....

Does God consider my lack in belief a 'sin'? Yes or no?

I'll give you a little nudge. It would appear He does. Meaning, the answer is 'yes'. Otherwise, He would not condemn me to eternal discomfort for something He did not even consider a 'sin.'

I then ask you.... Is this how God's 'justice' works? Again, refer to the OP for all the questions you have not answered.
 
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"But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." Hebrews 11:6 NKJV
 
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What if the 'soul' wishes to repent, in a manor which might please God after human death? The human's fate seems sealed at human death ---> 'forever'.
The Creator created the requirements , PERFECTLY RIGHTEOUSLY and with Perfect Justice.

It is appointed to men to die once, and then the judgment. Clearly in harmony with all of Scripture, and all of God's Plan - NO CHANCE of repentance after the "die once". The apparent exceptions, where someone is raised from the dead, then dies again, do not change the rule per se. God Always Rules and Judges Righteously with Perfect Justice and with NO INIQUITY in Him.
 
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You cannot "think" yourself free from sin. That requires repentance, surrender & obedience to Jesus (via the Holy Spirit). After you become Born-Again, it is still necessary to repent from time-to-time in order to keep moving forward.

(And people can bail anywhere along that process, if they really really want to.)

God loves you just the way you are, but He loves you too much to leave you that way.

Lack of belief keeps you from getting washed in the aforementioned manner. Further, lack of belief after He has washed you impedes your ability to move forward in Him.

Please re-read the OP. :)

This repose does not address my point(s).

Thank you
 
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"But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." Hebrews 11:6 NKJV

I'm already aware of the claims. Hence, the actual questions...

Do you care to engage?
 
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And now I say, 'I'm not convince'. Hence, I don't believe this to be the case, because I do no see sufficient evidence to support this claim/assertion.
I then ask you again....
Does God consider my lack in belief a 'sin'? Yes or no?
I'll give you a little nudge. It would appear He does. Meaning, the answer is 'yes'. Otherwise, He would not condemn me to eternal discomfort for something He did not even consider a 'sin.'
I then ask you.... Is this how God's 'justice' works? Again, refer to the OP for all the questions you have not answered.
God's Justice is Perfect. Many people do not like it, that is their choice, and if they do not believe, they perish, regardless of if they like it or not.
Many multitudes may try to squirm out of the necessity to believe.... this is human to do so. They still perish , some already, because of their unbelief.

This is Perfectly Executed Judgement and Perfect Justice as Accomplished by the One Holy Perfect Sovereign Creator,
Who also created a simply way for anyone to be saved (in Christ Jesus), even though no one deserves to be saved, apart from Christ Jesus.
 
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That's what will get corrected by reading the short and clear 1rst John chapter 1 through verse 2:11. I'll copy it over.

Read carefully when you begin verses 8 onward, and notice the "If" statements -- those are conditional statements.... It's conditional. If a person doesn't meet the condition, they do not get the outcome. If -- then. Not otherwise. Don't assume you know the rest, but take care to note such verses as 2:4. These aren't optional things. Of course, these same teachings show up in other words in many other places in the New Testament.


1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our joy complete.

5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.

4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.

5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

7 Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 8 Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.

9 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister b is still in the darkness. 10 Anyone who loves their brother and sister c lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. 11 But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.
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1 John 2 NIV

Nope, this does not address the OP either :/
 
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