The Restitution Of All Things

FineLinen · Oct 17, 2019

renniks said:
I'm very puzzled by your little rant here. Missing Glory is a very serious business, and it feels to me like God gives everyone every chance to find their way in before the judgement. I would hate to speculate too much about what heaven is... I don't want to go beyond what we're told. We know there will be a new heavens and a new Earth, so I'm looking forward to exploring the Earth, and especially the wilderness, because I've never found anything more fulfilling on this Earth than that. But who knows? Perhaps I'll spend the first million years on my knees in front of a throne. I doubt that we will be even thinking about the ones who didn't make it in. I suspect they will be somewhere far away, left to themselves, because that is what they wanted.

Please note:

1. The purposes of Father are not rooted in chance

2. What we want is not what He has purposed in Himself.

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it–the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…"

renniks · Oct 17, 2019

FineLinen said:
Please note:

1. The purposes of Father are not rooted in chance

2. What we want is not what He has purposed in Himself.

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it–the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…"

When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal,the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory...

Saint Steven · Oct 17, 2019

God is pleased to reconcile all things through Christ, whether things on earth or things in heaven, under the earth and on the sea. Already paid in full and soon to be brought to completion.

Colossians 1:16-20
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Revelation 5:13
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

FineLinen · Oct 18, 2019

Saint Steven said:
God is pleased to reconcile all things through Christ, whether things on earth or things in heaven, under the earth and on the sea. Already paid in full and soon to be brought to completion.

Colossians 1:16-20
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Revelation 5:13
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

Dear Steve: The scope of Father's mighty Plan is beyond any of our comprehension. Much thanks for another great post!

Revelation 5:13 Robertson N.T. Word Pictures=

Every created thing (pan ktisma). Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from ktizw, for which see I Timothy 4:4; James 1:18), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in verse Revelation 5:3, with on the sea epi thv qalasshv added). No created thing is left out. This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (ktisiv) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off.

Shrewd Manager · Oct 18, 2019

FineLinen said:
Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle

F.L. this brother testifies to hearing nature singing God's glory in unison when he got saved (from around 7:30).

FineLinen · Oct 18, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
F.L. this brother testifies to hearing nature singing God's glory in unison when he got saved (from around 7:30).

Dear Shrewd: There is a mighty moving of the Living God drawing all of us into a new Day! Reconciliation is being tuned to a new frequency where we vibrate with the same vibration as our great God & Father.

Every one of us will vibrate in union with Him

Shrewd Manager · Oct 18, 2019

FineLinen said:
Dear Shrewd: There is a mighty moving of the Living God drawing all of us into a new Day! Reconciliation is being tuned to a new frequency where we vibrate with the same vibration as our great God & Father.

Every one of us will vibrate in union with Him

The symphony of creation, when the morning stars sang together and the angels shouted for joy.

FineLinen · Oct 18, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
The symphony of creation, when the morning stars sang together and the angels shouted for joy.

renniks · Oct 18, 2019

Saint Steven said:
God is pleased to reconcile all things through Christ, whether things on earth or things in heaven, under the earth and on the sea. Already paid in full and soon to be brought to completion.

Colossians 1:16-20
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Revelation 5:13
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

That's a beautiful quote from Colossians, but it doesn't tell the whole story, how about we continue on?

21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[g] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.
There's those dratted conditions again.

FineLinen · Oct 18, 2019

Ah! The if's and's and but's of God.

“But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,” -Eph. 2:4

But God

Saint Steven · Oct 18, 2019

FineLinen said:
Dear Steve: The scope of Father's mighty Plan is beyond any of our comprehension. Much thanks for another great post!

Revelation 5:13 Robertson N.T. Word Pictures=

Every created thing (pan ktisma). Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from ktizw, for which see I Timothy 4:4; James 1:18), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in verse Revelation 5:3, with on the sea epi thv qalasshv added). No created thing is left out. This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (ktisiv) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off.

That's good.
Creation was subjected to frustration, but will be liberated and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

Romans 8:20-22
For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

Saint Steven · Oct 18, 2019

renniks said:
That's a beautiful quote from Colossians, but it doesn't tell the whole story, how about we continue on?

21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[g] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.
There's those dratted conditions again.

"...present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel." - vs 22-23

Sure why not?
I hope you don't think that means that only the perfect will be saved. Or that we don't possess salvation in the here and now.

As soon as you turn the Christian life into a high wire act, you are off track.

Matthew 11:30
For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

renniks · Oct 18, 2019

Saint Steven said:
"...present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel." - vs 22-23

Sure why not?
I hope you don't think that means that only the perfect will be saved. Or that we don't possess salvation in the here and now.

As soon as you turn the Christian life into a high wire act, you are off track.

Matthew 11:30
For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

Not perfect, no. But not everyone will start, let alone continue.

Saint Steven · Oct 18, 2019

renniks said:
Not perfect, no. But not everyone will start, let alone continue.

What does that mean long-term, in your opinion?

renniks · Oct 18, 2019

Saint Steven said:
What does that mean long-term, in your opinion?

It means some people will be awarded heaven and some will be cast into hell, and the time for salvation will be over.

Saint Steven · Oct 18, 2019

renniks said:
It means some people will be awarded heaven and some will be cast into hell, and the time for salvation will be over.

That is the Damnationist view of the final judgment doctrine. Are you aware of the other two views? Annihilationism and Universalism?

Saint Steven · Oct 18, 2019

renniks said:
It means some people will be awarded heaven and some will be cast into hell, and the time for salvation will be over.

Does that view agree with these scriptures?

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 5:18
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

renniks · Oct 18, 2019

Saint Steven said:
That is the Damnationist view of the final judgment doctrine. Are you aware of the other two views? Annihilationism and Universalism?

Of course.

renniks · Oct 18, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Does that view agree with these scriptures?

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 5:18
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Good arminian verses. Nothing universalist about them.

Saint Steven · Oct 18, 2019

renniks said:
Good arminian verses. Nothing universalist about them.

Maybe you are unclear about Universalism. The whole world. All. All. All.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 5:18
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

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