So far -- has Trump supported your Christian values? POLL

Has Trump supported your Christian values?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 23.4%
  • No

    Votes: 30 63.8%
  • Didn't vote for a Pastor

    Votes: 6 12.8%

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Speaking from a distance, I would have to say it seems to me President Trump has supported traditional Christian values more than Clinton would have done. However, his personal life has demonstrated many character flaws ... and I'm in a good position to judge because I am perfect.
 
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After watching his opponents on TV tonight
I think he will still take it in 2020.

The competition just aint adding up right.

M-Bob
Well you might consider that there are quite a few voters like me, who didn't vote for either Trump or Clinton, who are really sick of this mess we've had to put up with. Because of that at least some of us are going to vote this time for whomever the Democrat is just to get away from the guy that's there now.
 
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Well you might consider that there are quite a few voters like me, who didn't vote for either Trump or Clinton, who are really sick of this mess we've had to put up with. Because of that at least some of us are going to vote this time for whomever the Democrat is just to get away from the guy that's there now.

Sometimes I just think
what Hillary would have done to us.
We are self energy efficient now.
Probably burning candles with Hillary.

M-Bob
 
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Many like to focus on the POTUS's morals...as being immoral...as if the previous US Presidents were virtuous...without sin or flaws...lol

None of us are perfect...but I do believe that the POTUS promoting peace and peaceful negotiations, not engaging in more endless, senseless wars, and being pro-life (as examples) certainly fit many Christian's values.

When I hear all those attacks from the left against the POTUS based on his morals...I'm reminded of King David and his "moral" sins and yet he was still loved and favored by God to be King.
 
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When I hear all those attacks from the left against the POTUS based on his morals...I'm reminded of King David and his "moral" sins and yet he was still loved and favored by God to be King.

Yup like him or not God put Trump into his position.
I think He showed us some mercy.
M-Bob
 
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You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matt. 5:38-39)

Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. (Matt. 5:43-48, Luke 6:27-28)

Put your sword back in its place… for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. (Matt. 26:52)

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Matt. 5:9)

Hippoplytus of Rome based his writings on Christ's message that mankind can't serve 2 masters and that serving in the military was incompatible with that message!
Looks like Hippolytus completely ignored that fact that while Jesus promoted love for your (personal) enemies and peace, He also did not censure, nor did he reject, those who were serving in the military.
 
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Looks like Hippolytus completely ignored that fact that while Jesus promoted love for your (personal) enemies and peace, He also did not censure, nor did he reject, those who were serving in the military.

True and God sent the Jews out to kill many.
Got to have those brave ones in uniform.
M-Bob
 
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Yup like him or not God put Trump into his position. I think He showed us some mercy. M-Bob

Or God allowed trump into his position, through His permissive will, to call to those with attentive minds America's decline. The election of trump simply proves that character is of no import. It further demonstrates the bankruptcy and hypocrisy of championing Christian virtues...
 
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Yup like him or not God put Trump into his position.
I think He showed us some mercy.
M-Bob
I believe that God was in the founding of our nation with the type of government that we have. A government where the people elect their president.
The election of a character like Trump emphasizes how morally bankrupt and how greedy we have become as a nation.
 
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I may be pessimistic, but I don't think there is a moral high ground in politics for anyone. Politics, if it's played well, is about survival and self-enrichment, at least at the level of running for office and getting into office is concerned. Last time I checked, power for the sake of yourself and your own enrichment and that of your cronies is not a morally virtuous goal.

Everyone should read the book The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics by Alastair Smith and Bruce Bueno de Mesquita (ugh...what a name). It is the best general audience book I've ever read on politics, and it covers all kinds. It describes politics as they really are, and it is ugly (but very informative).
 
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I may be pessimistic, but I don't think there is a moral high ground in politics for anyone. Politics, if it's played well, is about survival and self-enrichment, at least at the level of running for office and getting into office is concerned. Last time I checked, power for the sake of yourself and your own enrichment and that of your cronies is not a morally virtuous goal.

Everyone should read the book The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics by Alastair Smith and Bruce Bueno de Mesquita (ugh...what a name). It is the best general audience book I've ever read on politics, and it covers all kinds. It describes politics as they really are, and it is ugly (but very informative).
I wouldn't think it is politics per se. The Church has had Saint Kings, even in the Old Testament, a man after God's heart was King David.

I see democracy being about pleasing others, so there is a lack of incentive in one's values and more in keeping your position. I could say that even Republicans give up in their values if they see it could risk their position.
 
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Or God allowed trump into his position, through His permissive will, to call to those with attentive minds America's decline. The election of trump simply proves that character is of no import. It further demonstrates the bankruptcy and hypocrisy of championing Christian virtues...

The election of Donald Trump and the continued unwavering support he receives from his base has demonstrated the hypocrisy of championing Christian virtues among much of the Christian Right.
 
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I wouldn't think it is politics per se. The Church has had Saint Kings, even in the Old Testament, a man after God's heart was King David.

Certainly. I did not mean to imply that no king could ever be saintly, only that politics itself by its nature requires a kind of viciousness that is not in keeping with Christianity. It is a similar sort of statement as could be made about the long tradition of Christian warrior saints (e.g., St. George, St. Mina, etc.) -- they were virtuous, but they did not make the motives of the Roman army virtuous. Those who play the political game (including kings) and those who shape it (the 'influentials' surrounding the court) are not really to be considered in the same light. After all, it is a common claim that this or that president is/was a puppet of the Russians, or of the Saudis, or of the Turks, etc. So even leaders are beholden to more powerful forces and people, whether they intend to be or not. Trump et al. set policy insofar as they can set the agenda and the tone, but what comes out of the political meat grinder may be very difficult to recognize.

I see democracy being about pleasing others, so there is a lack of incentive in one's values and more in keeping your position. I could say that even Republicans give up in their values if they see it could risk their position.

I don't see democracy as substantially different than autocracy in this regard. You are right that it is more about keeping your position than anything. The only difference is the number of people needed to secure it and hold on to it. If it's in a very corrupt, small-coalition country (i.e., with few people needed to secure and hold the position), it could be as few as a handful of generals and religious leaders, whereas if it is a democratic, large-coalition country, it is likely to be many times more people.
 
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Certainly. I did not mean to imply that no king could ever be saintly, only that politics itself by its nature requires a kind of viciousness that is not in keeping with Christianity. It is a similar sort of statement as could be made about the long tradition of Christian warrior saints (e.g., St. George, St. Mina, etc.) -- they were virtuous, but they did not make the motives of the Roman army virtuous. Those who play the political game (including kings) and those who shape it (the 'influentials' surrounding the court) are not really to be considered in the same light. After all, it is a common claim that this or that president is/was a puppet of the Russians, or of the Saudis, or of the Turks, etc. So even leaders are beholden to more powerful forces and people, whether they intend to be or not. Trump et al. set policy insofar as they can set the agenda and the tone, but what comes out of the political meat grinder may be very difficult to recognize.



I don't see democracy as substantially different than autocracy in this regard. You are right that it is more about keeping your position than anything. The only difference is the number of people needed to secure it and hold on to it. If it's in a very corrupt, small-coalition country (i.e., with few people needed to secure and hold the position), it could be as few as a handful of generals and religious leaders, whereas if it is a democratic, large-coalition country, it is likely to be many times more people.
Well, one of my criticism is that lobbyings and corporations have a BIG control of the political sphere. Even someone in the far-left wouldn't like a candidate like Warren who is backed up by corporations such as Warmer Bros.

I don't really think an autocrat would necessary be always corrupt, there has been dictators who have cared about the country's future.
 
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No Presidential Candidate shows Christian values.

The duties of our government leaders, especially the President of the United States, doesn't include personally promoting and endorsing Christianity or any other specific religion over all other religions.

The duties of our government leaders, especially the President of the United States, is to abide by the United States Constitution and represent ALL American citizens, regardless of ethnicity, religion, age, gender, and sexual orientation. Neither the President or any other government officials should ever promote a specific religion and give preferential treatment to a single group of religious people.

Personally speaking, defending Christian values isn't even on my list of expectations for a presidential candidate. I won't vote for a candidate because he or she professes to be a Christian and promises to defend Christian values. I would vote for an Atheist or a Muslim or any other non-Christian if I thought the non-Christian candidate would be better suited for the presidency than a Christian candidate. And I'll only vote for a Republican again if that person never supported Trump while he was the President.
 
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The duties of our government leaders, especially the President of the United States, doesn't include personally promoting and endorsing Christianity or any other specific religion over all other religions.

The duties of our government leaders, especially the President of the United States, is to abide by the United States Constitution and represent ALL American citizens, regardless of ethnicity, religion, age, gender, and sexual orientation. Neither the President or any other government officials should ever promote a specific religion and give preferential treatment to a single group of religious people.

Personally speaking, defending Christian values isn't even on my list of expectations for a presidential candidate. I won't vote for a candidate because he or she professes to be a Christian and promises to defend Christian values. I would vote for an Atheist or a Muslim or any other non-Christian if I thought the non-Christian candidate would be better suited for the presidency than a Christian candidate. And I'll only vote for a Republican again if that person never supported Trump while he was the President.
Most people don't vote thinking on the Constitution but thinking in the "benefit for their own group", if others do that then Christians should not be ashamed of doing it.
 
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