What day is the sabath what day does the bible say?

ewq1938 said:

He said he and his father worked on the Saturday Sabbath but it was holy work so no violation.

Joh 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

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In Matthew 12:5, Jesus said that priests who performed their duties on the Sabbath were held innocent, so there are some forms of work that were never intended to be understood as being prohibited by the Sabbath, but there are still other forms of work that were prohibited.

ewq1938 said:

That only applied to the Jews of the OT and since the old covenant is gone, even that isn't a valid command anymore.

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While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to walk in the same ways and express the same character traits. For example, the way to act in accordance with God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on God's righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to do what is righteous are eternal valid regardless of which covenant we are under, though as part of the New Covenant those who do not follow those instructions are not children of God (1 John 3:10).

Likewise, sin was in the world before the Law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became righteous or sinful when the Law was given, but rather the Law revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that. For example, in Genesis 39:9, Joseph knew that it was a sin to commit adultery long before the Mosaic Covenant was made, so there was nothing about the Mosaic Covenant being made or becoming obsolete that changes whether or not the command against adultery is valid. In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant still involves following God's Law, so the fact that the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete does no mean that God's eternal righteousness or righteous Law became obsolete along with it.

Albion said:

No, Sunday is the first day of the week. We worship on that day because it is the day the Lord rose from the grave and because the New Testament teaches that the early church chose it for the weekly worship services. However, Saturday technically remains the Sabbath and it is incorrect to say that the church moved the Sabbath day to some other day.

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That post was a bull's eye, well done.

Soyeong said:

Hello, God certainly could have commanded His followers to rest on every day so that all work would be prohibited, but He did not. He commanded His followers to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy, so it becomes a matter of whether you are going to trust God to guide you in how you should live or whether you are going to do what is right in your own eyes.

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God commanded Israel to keep the Sabbath.

The written law was never given to the Gentile nations.

In fact, the Sabbath was a sign.

Exodus 31:17
It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.

The scripture never says that the law was given to any Gentile nation.

klutedavid said:

God commanded Israel to keep the Sabbath.

The written law was never given to the Gentile nations.

In fact, the Sabbath was a sign.

Exodus 31:17
It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.

The scripture never says that the law was given to any Gentile nation.

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The theme has always been to the Jew first and then to the nations, so the Law was given to Israel to equip them to be a light and a blessing to the nations through teaching them to repent of their sins and how to walk in God's ways in obedience to His Law (Isaiah 2:2-3). There is no sense in a Gentile wanting to become a follower of the God of Israel while wanting nothing to do with walking in His ways. While the Sabbath was given as a sign, it was given as sign in order to teach Israel about who God is and what He has done, and we are followers of the same God with the same ways and the same instructions for how to walk in His ways.

Soyeong said:

The theme has always been to the Jew first and then to the nations

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In the time of Jesus that was most certainly true and Jesus was sent only to the Jews.

so the Law was given to Israel to equip them to be a light and a blessing to the nations through teaching them to repent of their sins and how to walk in God's ways in obedience to His Law (Isaiah 2:2-3).

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Above all, the whole purpose for the nation of Israel was to usher in the Christ. Not so much teaching a repentance from sin to other nations.

Israel was in the whole a rebellious nation and this opposition to God was magnified in that they would ultimately crucify their own messiah.

There is no sense in a Gentile wanting to become a follower of the God of Israel while wanting nothing to do with walking in His ways.

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Walking in the footsteps of Jesus is obeying the law of Christ. The apostle Paul pushed love to the extreme and that is what He taught the Gentiles. Love for others and God was in itself the ultimate expression of the Christian life.

Love is poured into our hearts by Jesus and that love for others is written in our hearts. Not a legalism as such, obey the Sabbath and your loving others by obeying that Sabbath. Not coveting the neighbor's oxen is not loving others.

1 Timothy 1:5
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

While the Sabbath was given as a sign, it was given as sign in order to teach Israel about who God is and what He has done

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Correction on this point.

The whole reason for the law was to reveal sin for what it was, and how sin demanded that the messiah fill that gap between us and God.

That blood sacrifice removed the fatal penalty of sin.

and we are followers of the same God with the same ways and the same instructions for how to walk in His ways.

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Negative, we are a brand new creation in Christ, fully reconciled to the Father through the blood of Jesus Christ.

Romans 5:10
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son.

2 Corinthians 5:18
Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 5:20
Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Colossians 1:22
Yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach.

Soyeong said:

God instructed His followers to keep the 7th day holy

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No, he didn't. Moses wrote that, according to tradition. The more likely case is that some Israelite priest gathered together stuff and wrote it. Possibly about the time that "the book of the law" was suddenly - conveniently - discovered in the temple.

Soyeong said:

The Israelites received a double portion of mana for the 7th day for 40 years in the wilderness

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That is what the story in Exodus says but the story does not say that Christians are to keep Saturday. There's no especially good reason to think that Saturday has anything whatever to do with the day that the Israelites are said to have received a double portion. That might have been on a Friday, or a Tuesday for all anyone knows. Sabbatarians like to pretend that the cycle of days is uninterrupted from creation to today yet even the scriptures tell of Joshua's long day which would displace days by some number of hours amounting to a significant part of a day if not a whole day. And there is no good evidence that the weekly cycle is the same today as it was when the Law was found in the temple. It is building one's doctrine on sand.

Soyeong said:

the fact that we are not justified by obeying it does not mean that we shouldn't obey it

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Go ahead and obey the law if you like and if feeling guilty for failing to keep it is a comfort then by all means feel guilty too, realising that it will do no good objectively speaking.

The truth is that it just does not matter if you keep Saturday rather than Sunday, except that Sunday is the day when the vast majority of Christians meet to pray and worship so if you decide against meeting on that day you'll need to seek out one of the small sabbatarian groups to meet with. What advantage is there in doing that? If Saturday keeping doesn't do a thing to justify and plays no role in salvation and failing to do so doesn't make Yahweh angry at you or risk his displeasure then it is just so much religious superstition that is fundamentally worthless.

Soyeong said:

Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly

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Titus 2:11-14 does not mention keeping the Law; not even keeping the ten commandments. To live a godly life is to live following the example of Jesus. To help the needy, to feed the starving, to house the homeless, to do the things that Jesus praises in Matthew 25:31-46.

GingerBeer said:

That is what the story in Exodus says but the story does not say that Christians are to keep Saturday. There's no especially good reason to think that Saturday has anything whatever to do with the day that the Israelites are said to have received a double portion. That might have been on a Friday, or a Tuesday for all anyone knows. Sabbatarians like to pretend that the cycle of days is uninterrupted from creation to today yet even the scriptures tell of Joshua's long day which would displace days by some number of hours amounting to a significant part of a day if not a whole day. And there is no good evidence that the weekly cycle is the same today as it was when the Law was found in the temple. It is building one's doctrine on sand.

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Good point.

They neglect the simple fact that Israel of old honored a lunar calendar, and the occurrence of the Sabbath was based on the new moon observation.

They completely omit any reference to the new moon even though the Old Testament calendar was timed according to that observation.

Soyeong said:

David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His Law

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David (the King of Israel some time around 1000 BC) was an Israelite. His religion was pre-judaic Isrealite religion. The Law to which the psalm refers might not be the Law as you read it in the "five books of Moses". But if we presume that the psalm writer intended to teach that David wanted to keep the Mosaic Law that is no good reason for a Christian living today to want to keep the Law. Christians make no animal sacrifices. David did.

GingerBeer said:

Titus 2:11-14 does not mention keeping the Law; not even keeping the ten commandments. To live a godly life is to live following the example of Jesus. To help the needy, to feed the starving, to house the homeless, to do the things that Jesus praises in Matthew 25:31-46.

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They highlight, 'lawless deeds', in Titus thinking logically that fully obeying the law, will deliver a righteous and Christian life.

Though the law itself is not of faith.

Paul strongly opposed obedience to the law.

Romans 2:14
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves.

Acts 13:39
And through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Romans 6:15
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?

Romans 7:4
Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ.

Romans 7:6
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

1 Corinthians 9:20
To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law.

Galatians 2:19
19 For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.

Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”

Galatians 3:24-25
Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

Ephesians 2:15
By abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace.

1 Timothy 1:9
Realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers.

Hebrews 7:18-19
For on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness for the Law made nothing perfect, and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was.

Kian-vg said:

Hi I always thought sunday was the sabath day but some people think the sabbath is on Saturday and now I don't know what day it realy is Saturday or sunday I always thought Sunday because God rested on the 7th day

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The Sabbath under OT law is Saturday. The actual time is nightfall Friday to nightfall Saturday. You will read in Genesis that the evening came before morning, so that is considered a day, not midnight to midnight as in the modern world.

There is very little about the Sabbath in the New Testament. There is no specific day set aside as a day of rest or worship. However, Sunday became known as "The Lord's day" because that's when Jesus rose from the dead. So Saturday should be day of rest and Sunday the day of worship, hence the idea of the weekend. Lord Jesus turned the idea of the Sabbath on its head. He said that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So a day of rest is given as a blessing to man, not as some kind of terrible burden to bear. I can see nowhere in the NT that lays down rules as to what constitutes "rest". I mow the lawns and do weeding.

Kian-vg said:

Hi I always thought sunday was the sabath day but some people think the sabbath is on Saturday and now I don't know what day it realy is Saturday or sunday I always thought Sunday because God rested on the 7th day

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Jewish days start from sundown to sundown so they don't exactly fit our western week days but generally speaking Satuday is the 7th day, not Sunday. With that in mind God did not rest on Sunday, as Sunday is the first day of the week, what God did on Sunday is say "Let there be light".

However, the word Sabbath means "rest" and Jesus tells us to "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest." that's right Jesus will give us sabbath, he says so himself, and his condition is simply to "come to him". This is the same rest spoken of in the 4th commandment (because He was there) and it is the same rest on the 7th day (He was there too). Jesus can give this rest because it is his rest to give... how is this possible? spoiler alert... Jesus is God so when he gives us rest it means the Sabbath.

Kian-vg said:

Hi I always thought sunday was the sabath day but some people think the sabbath is on Saturday and now I don't know what day it realy is Saturday or sunday I always thought Sunday because God rested on the 7th day

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It doesn't matter what day it is, Jesus is the true sabbath in which we find rest, but anyway I would choose Sunday.

Sabbath (Saturday) and the Lords day (Sunday) are two different dates....

“I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet“ - Revelation 1:10

Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. - 1 Corinthians 16:2

And the church worshipped on Sunday from that time until the SDA came along. Regarding the commandment,

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. - James 2:10

Do we also have a table of shewbread? An altar of Golden incense? A lamp stand? If your going along with Old Testament law you had better keep it all!

Kian-vg said:

Hi I always thought sunday was the sabath day but some people think the sabbath is on Saturday and now I don't know what day it realy is Saturday or sunday I always thought Sunday because God rested on the 7th day

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The first day of the week is Sunday. Saturday is the true sabbath. The catholic church changed the sabbath to Sunday not God or Jesus. Some people say Sunday worship is part of the new covenant because of when Christ rose up. But Jesus never told us to change the sabbath. If the road to heaven is narrow it could not be what everyone else is doing. The commandments say to keep holy the Lords day. Jesus said he came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it so old testament is still in place but you came come to the father thru Jesus now.

But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. - Titus 3:9

We are not supposed to be arguing this stuff as it is unprofitable and vain